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OneUp Trader / MES Capital / FuturesProfile (the owner lies about his identity)

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They are different from topstep. But what you experienced is stated in the rules for their evaluation.

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Don't ever use One Up Trader

The line you highlighted is ambiguous. In no way would anyone interpret that line as meaning "If you are up 500 dollars in a trade and it comes back and you gain only 300, we are going to reduce your trail limit by 500 dollars." If that is what they want to do, then it should say that clearly. By being ambiguous, they get to sponge their subscribers for renewal fees.

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You donít really think these companies business model is looking for great traders to fund them, donít you?


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The line you highlighted is ambiguous. In no way would anyone interpret that line as meaning "If you are up 500 dollars in a trade and it comes back and you gain only 300, we are going to reduce your trail limit by 500 dollars." If that is what they want to do, then it should say that clearly. By being ambiguous, they get to sponge their subscribers for renewal fees.

Steven

I'm not sure why you think this is ambiguous? It clearly says about unrealized profits in the rules definitions. I would imagine the reason they want to do that is to stop traders from having wild swings intraday and instead build consistency by building profits slowly. What type of trader would you prefer if you were backing them with your cash? It's not easy and you have to adjust your style accordingly, but that's a big factor in being consistent.

I've just finished my 50k evaluation and received an email about getting funded so will report with any good/bad experiences.

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You donít really think these companies' business model is looking for great traders to fund them, donít you?

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Bingo. Anyone who thinks it is is extremely naive. The majority the money is made from the combines. I'm not saying that's wrong. It just is what it is.

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Looking forward to your review. I am also considering OneUp (tried TST before lastime, but did not like it much). Do keep us posted. I been practising with 1 lot trade size and gunning for stability before trying combine. Not posting much but I do keep reading this forum.


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I'm not sure why you think this is ambiguous? It clearly says about unrealized profits in the rules definitions. I would imagine the reason they want to do that is to stop traders from having wild swings intraday and instead build consistency by building profits slowly. What type of trader would you prefer if you were backing them with your cash? It's not easy and you have to adjust your style accordingly, but that's a big factor in being consistent.

I've just finished my 50k evaluation and received an email about getting funded so will report with any good/bad experiences.


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I'm not sure why you think this is ambiguous? It clearly says about unrealized profits in the rules definitions. I would imagine the reason they want to do that is to stop traders from having wild swings intraday and instead build consistency by building profits slowly. What type of trader would you prefer if you were backing them with your cash? It's not easy and you have to adjust your style accordingly, but that's a big factor in being consistent.

I've just finished my 50k evaluation and received an email about getting funded so will report with any good/bad experiences.

Imo they are ambiguous. They should just say unrealized instead of realized and unrealized pnl. In fact it has nothing to do with realized pnl. It is "real time unrealized" period.

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So I tried a combine with them this month and also got hit by the drawdown rule. To really know where the drawdown limit is you need to look at the "Auto Liquidate Threshold Value" in R|Trader. I find this frustrating as they don't tell you where this is on their dashboard. Their system also doesn't tell you when you break a rule. It just starts rejecting orders.

It sucks, but I did break the combine rule. What frustrates me the most is that after breaking a rule the account is just dead. You can still receive data, but you can't submit orders. So I cannot use it with Jigsaw Daytradr to practice. For this reason I will not use them again.

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TST, ONEUP, etc. Sucker Centers


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You donít really think these companies business model is looking for great traders to fund them, donít you?
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The business model for both of these entities is to get you "hooked" like the casino's slot machines...and you (retail) trader are paying their fat salaries. Neither one of these money pits will provide you with stats of their participants, combined or funded.

Also, consider why would a highly profitable trader give up even 20% of their profit to anyone else...they would not.

The other note to make here is that 90% of retail traders loose...I am a trading psych coach, and have been an educator at TST, and I have coached a number of traders through the combine, and into trader prep...and they get the funded account...and then fail. NOTHING to do with TST...and everything to do with their "snakes in the head". No one really wants to talk about this area of trading...and the failure rate continues.

Note: 10% of trading is methodology and strategy...90% is personal psychology. 90% loose because they spend 90% of their time on the 10% of trading, and 10% on the 90% of trading.

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