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Dear Mr Tang,

When did you learn of Mr Kozaks condition? Which condition are you referring to?

I find it difficult to believe that since early 2015 SharkIndicators had no knowledge of GZTs and Sean Kozaks fraudulent claims in regards to the software.

Is it true or not that SharkIndicators repaired GZT code for it to run more efficient on Bloodhound and Blackbird as late as March 2017? Keeping in mind that Shark had being coding for GZT since the Integration of Bloodhound approximately as early as 2013.

Is it also correct that SharkIndicators were also aware as early as 2013 that there were inherent problems with the integrity of GZT indicators? And the integrity of GZT itself?

It is also correct while [COLOR="Red"]SharkIndicators[/COLOR] was well aware of all these problems with GZT , SharkIndicators continued to accepted payments from GZT customers. Business was was going great for GZT and SharkIndicators and SharkIndicators was fully aware of all the problems with GZT and choose to do NOTHING about it.

Now that GZT has been finally been found to be a complete fraud full of false claims. What does SharkIndicators plan to do in good faith to all GZT customers who purchased your products through GZT?



All vendors, contractors involved in GZT or any other company that can not provide real trades, true statistics, unequivocal proof of performance should be boycotted by the trading community. As for GZT this inculdes, SharkIndicators, SharkIndicators | Interactive System Builder for NinjaTrader, Raul Jimenez http://www.icinder.com/,"dont forget about Genevieve Jimenez with her survey and giving out Stevens contact info to push software". ,http://eztradingcomputers.net/, NinjaTrader. Stephen Wesson, saleperson who continued to sell GZT knowing GZT was folding.

Its time for all traders to standup against this type of business practice that thrives within the trading community and punish all parties related to this disease contaminating the trading community, regardless of their denials. Vote with your wallets as that will hurt the greedy self-serving practices they have enjoyed for so long. Amen.

Dear Mr Tang,

Thank you for you private message response. You should address the questions directed at you and your company here on the public forum.

Otherwise I will post your private message.

Was Zak your business partner or you Mr Tang ever in the GZT Traderoom helping Nick Vanderburg moderate anytime this year? YES/NO

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I noticed this morning that I had a notification on my phone during the night (my time as I am in the UK). I was that I had been sent the following message by DocR:


DocR - Thu, 13 Jul 2017 21:25:57 -0400
Imran Quazi,

You were treated with respect and provided support while a customer of GZT by me. I find your rhetoric and disdain to be a failure character. Please be sure to have all the fact and understand legal issues before commenting on the forum.

Please also kindly read my last post which should clarify the legal issues involved with the failure of GZT to provide service to their customers.


Respectfully,



RJ

I have posted this here because I am not a scammer and have no intent to hide my identity.
Firstly, ‘You were treated with respect and provided support while a customer of GZT by me.’. I totally agree with RJ. He did provide good and friendly support from this aspect.
However, I find RJ's comment ' I find your rhetoric and disdain to be a failure character.' rather ironic considering that he quotes legal woes in posting Sean Kozak’s and GZT's status information yet he has looked up my locale information in my profile (I had a notification in my Recent Visitors *yawn*) using the GZT customer database and has identified me. Surely the GZT database is proprietary to GZT and belongs to them in their intellectual property rights? Infact when I posted the above posts, I had not intended anything malicious and simply innocently assumed he was a partner of Sean Kozak. But if he is now claiming that he was working as an employee surely from an impropriety perspective, he shouldn't have access to this database?? What does this show about him and his character??

I think RJ is forgetting that I have spent $6-7k on GZT software. He must understand that I am very annoyed that I can see my software being on the junk heap in the very near future should anything happen to my pc which is running my software linked to the Ninjatrader servers or if Ninjatrader remove support for NT7 which they will likely do in the near future. Most importantly my hard earnt money which I had viewed as investment into my future, destroyed. I mean if I had spent this money on myself for enjoyment I would be feeling much happier right??? I am sure that RJ would be totally pissed off like me if he were in my position…
I bought the most recent addon Print Profiler, on 18 March 2017. A few days before, I sent GZT Support an email asking them when the NT8 version would be released and I was told the following by Stephen Wasson:

We are in the final steps to converting our products to NT8 and then have members conduct beta testing. We will be sending everyone an email when this occurs.
Thanks for you patience; it's right around the corner.
Stephen Wasson
Sales
stephen@goldenzonetrading.com
Skype: stephengzt

On this basis, I purchased the Print Profiler software. I am going to approach my credit card company and explain the situation to try to claim the money back. Who knows if it will work? ??? I am sure that RJ would be totally pissed off like me if he were in my position…

I do like the software but currently I can’t use it as 1) I have moved to NT8 and 2) The NT7 version is unstable. In fact, the worst thing is the GZT software is a pile of trash in terms of stability and performance. I installed the most recent patch and it was totally unstable and a dog in terms of speed. I trade equities and when switching between different equities the software would crash or simply the bars would just disappear. At least if the GZT software worked on NT7 I would seriously consider staying on NT7.

I was working until recently as a quantitative software engineer in Investment Banking and have been involved actively in providing software to investment banks who were clients of my employer.
RJ said in his recent post ‘ I have worked for large software companies and my expertise with software, development, large scale deployments is something that was needed by GZT’.
On what planet is this??? I can tell you that if I had been writing and supplying software of the level and quality of the GZT tools, I would have been sacked years ago! I’m sorry RJ if you don’t like this but these are the hard facts. Ever hear of SDLC?? Ever hear of testing or quality assurance?? Using the GZT software I doubt any of these concepts were used!!

And …. I certainly haven’t personally ‘mis-associated’ or ‘besmirched’ your company and have only talked about GZT problems! Whether or not you were partner or an employee in GZT, who knows, but your role was portrayed as a very senior position as head of support in GZT. Yet you were OK to be listed similar on the GZT website until it suited you – I distinctly remember reading you listed in a similar position on the site. Having worked in the tech industry, I would be certain that you had a say in the guidance. development and support of the GZT products while you were ‘employed’ by GZT. I am sure that YOU would be totally pissed off like me if YOU were in MY position…

RJ, if there are people on this forum who are angry and pissed off and venting their anger it is not personal. It is because they have lost thousands of dollars and you were in a senior position as Head of Support in GZT. I don't condone some of the derogatory content that has been posted above but whether you like it or not people will and are going to talk about it and have every right to talk about it within reason.


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Dear Mr Tang,

When did you learn of Mr Kozaks condition? Which condition are you referring to?

I find it difficult to believe that since early 2015 SharkIndicators had no knowledge of GZTs and Sean Kozaks fraudulent claims in regards to the software.

Is it true or not that SharkIndicators repaired GZT code for it to run more efficient on Bloodhound and Blackbird as late as March 2017? Keeping in mind that Shark had being coding for GZT since the Integration of Bloodhound approximately as early as 2013.

Is it also correct that SharkIndicators were also aware as early as 2013 that there were inherent problems with the integrity of GZT indicators? And the integrity of GZT itself?

It is also correct while [COLOR="Red"]SharkIndicators[/COLOR] was well aware of all these problems with GZT , SharkIndicators continued to accepted payments from GZT customers. Business was was going great for GZT and SharkIndicators and SharkIndicators was fully aware of all the problems with GZT and choose to do NOTHING about it.

Now that GZT has been finally been found to be a complete fraud full of false claims. What does SharkIndicators plan to do in good faith to all GZT customers who purchased your products through GZT?



All vendors, contractors involved in GZT or any other company that can not provide real trades, true statistics, unequivocal proof of performance should be boycotted by the trading community. As for GZT this inculdes, SharkIndicators, SharkIndicators | Interactive System Builder for NinjaTrader, Raul Jimenez http://www.icinder.com/,"dont forget about Genevieve Jimenez with her survey and giving out Stevens contact info to push software". ,http://eztradingcomputers.net/, NinjaTrader. Stephen Wesson, saleperson who continued to sell GZT knowing GZT was folding.

Its time for all traders to standup against this type of business practice that thrives within the trading community and punish all parties related to this disease contaminating the trading community, regardless of their denials. Vote with your wallets as that will hurt the greedy self-serving practices they have enjoyed for so long. Amen.

Skeptical, Call me naive but personally I do currently have respect for Jeremy Tang. To be fair, all businesses have cross interests and business partnering. You are implying that Jeremy is guilty of misappropriation or dishonesty which I don't believe.

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Skeptical,

I appreciate the opportunity to clear up the misconceptions.

To address your question about Zac, he is my business partners and responsible for cross training all our partners on our products - that included Nick. Occasionally a trade room moderator will ask us to help them showcase BloodHound (BH) or BlackBird (BB) to their audience, or be on hand to help them answer technical questions that might come up regarding BB or BH, but otherwise we do not involve ourselves with private trade-rooms. As I mentioned, our products do not pertain to any particular trading methodology, technique or system.

Our products are enhancement tools that greatly extend the capabilities of the NinjaTrader platform (think of SharkIndicators BlackBird as like the NinjaTrader ATM on steroids, and SharkIndicators BloodHound like a real-time, visual programming interface of the NinjaTrader Strategy builder - I'm oversimplifying it a bit, our products do a lot more). Since our tools are built this way - they can be utilized for any trading methodology or system. Thus many vendors who are selling trading techniques use our software and add it to their offering.

I also want to speak directly about the concern about SharkIndicators "stepping up to the plate" to provide support to our customers who bought our products through GZT. We are already standing on the plate and never left it, and have no intention of leaving it.

As soon as a customer buys a package from any vendor that includes BB or BH, doesn't matter who it is; we handle support for our products and take care of that customer as our own (as it pertains to BB or BH - again we do not involve ourselves with the particulars of the vendor's trade system).

We support all our customers, whether you bought it directly through us, through a now dead website in the long time in the past, or from any of our past partners (including those that may not be in business anymore), or present partners.


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Dear Mr Tang,

Thank you for you private message response. You should address the questions directed at you and your company here on the public forum.

Otherwise I will post your private message.

Was Zak your business partner or you Mr Tang ever in the GZT Traderoom helping Nick Vanderburg moderate anytime this year? YES/NO



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Skeptical,

I appreciate the opportunity to clear up the misconceptions.

To address your question about Zac, he is my business partners and responsible for cross training all our partners on our products - that included Nick. Occasionally a trade room moderator will ask us to help them showcase BloodHound (BH) or BlackBird (BB) to their audience, or be on hand to help them answer technical questions that might come up regarding BB or BH, but otherwise we do not involve ourselves with private trade-rooms. As I mentioned, our products do not pertain to any particular trading methodology, technique or system.

Our products are enhancement tools that greatly extend the capabilities of the NinjaTrader platform (think of SharkIndicators BlackBird as like the NinjaTrader ATM on steroids, and SharkIndicators BloodHound like a real-time, visual programming interface of the NinjaTrader Strategy builder - I'm oversimplifying it a bit, our products do a lot more). Since our tools are built this way - they can be utilized for any trading methodology or system. Thus many vendors who are selling trading techniques use our software and add it to their offering.

I also want to speak directly about the concern about SharkIndicators "stepping up to the plate" to provide support to our customers who bought our products through GZT. We are already standing on the plate and never left it, and have no intention of leaving it.

As soon as a customer buys a package from any vendor that includes BB or BH, doesn't matter who it is; we handle support for our products and take care of that customer as our own (as it pertains to BB or BH - again we do not involve ourselves with the particulars of the vendor's trade system).

We support all our customers, whether you bought it directly through us, through a now dead website in the long time in the past, or from any of our past partners (including those that may not be in business anymore), or present partners.

"Occasionally a trade room moderator will ask us to help them showcase BloodHound (BH) or BlackBird (BB) to their audience, or be on hand to help them answer technical questions that might come up regarding BB or BH, but otherwise we do not involve ourselves with private trade-rooms."

Perhaps you can explain what Zac is doing in the GZT Traderoom then ?. As he said Just stepping in to help Sean out. Recorded on the 2017-07-13.

2017-07-15_1051__Nick_Zak_SharkIndicators Sound not the best and takes sometime to load.

Clearly you were aware of GZTs problems and still supported them knowing the problems within GZT. Would appreciate it if you told the truth and come clean.

If this was a court of law, you have just been busted lying. Who knows how many other lies are being told. I suspect many by most of GZTs partners.

How do you intend to do to rectify this?

Or should all traders boycott SharkIndicators?


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the reality of it

To all the GZT clients..of which I am one...I feel your frustration and pain of thinking you were duped.
You were not duped......I joined the mastery program June 2016, paid my 6k like everybody else.....when this story broke about GZT and Sean Kozak going dark, I was pissed off too, but I have a sense of reality of what goes on in business and what can happen very quickly when the dominos begin to fall.

Hindsight is 20/20, I think a lot of folks are giving Sean Kozak way to much credit for being the savvy sneaky salesperson who was out to take advantage of people for money..... I personally dont believe this, if you spend any time on the GZT web and have engaged with the mastery program, live trade room, the staff, and the indicator training, not to mention the large video library and the 30 plus Power point presentations, all created by Sean, Your own sensibilities should realize how deep this man went to in trying to provide what he thought was good trading tools and trading practices. Did he intentionally open GZT to rip people off??....No I dont think so.

Jeremy Tang has a good reputation in the industry and hired Sean for a while, that would not have happened if Sean was just an idiot.........Jeremy is to smart for that...You cant fake code writing!!!!!!

If you want to really see scammers...get into the oil contract business in the ME (middle east)...... I have.

If you have never been faced with possibly losing everything you have or being totally devastated by others actions, then you may not know what it takes to survive or come out the other end alive. You certainly dont know emotionally what decisions need to be made to get through such an event. Those decisions dont always look fair to all parties involved. I am not defending...just using my own experience to evaluate !!!!

Nobody knows what actually happened just yet to GZT, some folks on here are saying Sean Kozak had a drug issue, which may be.....some are saying he intentionally scammed clients. All rumors by mad angry people, no factual evidence to anything..............Is GZT gone ..yes..why?? we dont know

I have noticed people attacking others who were associated to GZT, assuming they were part of a scam or malicious activity to defraud.........again I dont believe that, and feel sorry for those folks who wanted to deliver a good product.

RJ has been in this industry long before GZT came along and has a stellar record, he is a product of the software industry, he is a good software developer. And like any new industry, the early days of software development for day trading was occupied by a small group of people who understood C+ code and who all knew each other. I am sure Nick who was moderating in April was moderating out of his own belief in the product. I do not think everybody associated with GZT is a bad apple and you would be wrong to promote that.

I am angry too, but have lived long enough and have enough experience to recognize when a business fails, you can't blame everybody who worked for it or was associated to it.

Look at GM...dam near went broke, and closed several plants, did anybody get a call not to buy GM cars??
Kodak, bankrupt, did anybody call you to tell you not to buy kodak products?
Look up Man Financial, a very large broker who went broke because of 1 person...did it make the entire company bad...NO
The list is endless...with far larger companies that GZT was or will ever be...........

To the people who spent the MONEY on the mastery program, like me, We all looked at it, tried it and liked it, that's why we bought it, nobody forced us, The indicators in the software have validity and when used in conjunction with other discretionary products they are viable. Do I think every signal is to be taken of course not, that would be stupid. The software was sold with a discretionary aspect.

I own the GZT mastery software, I use the SD Volume zones and the Print profiler, both are indicators based on volume and closed transactions....cant cheat that....is the MOMO divergence a perfect indicator ..NOPE...but it does indicate direction and trends....if you bought it looking for a holy grail...well then you were duping yourself.

I am only trying to stimulate quantitative thought into this subject, let us be thinkers and wait for evidence to show light on the subject. Sean Kozak left a lot of people in the lurch, no doubt, I am one of them, but I dont want to say he was a cheater, scammer, liar or he was malicious....for all we know...he got run over by a bus...that just makes him dead.

We had undeniable proof that Hillary Clinton lied to Congress, lied about her servers, lied about the devices she owned, lied about emails and lied to investigators but yet half the country did not want to believe it...but yes it was FACT.......

GZT did not lie......he just disappeared !!! who knows what happened? One day we will find out, I am sure...

Thanks for reading my vent, hope it helps, your not alone.

YogaTrading

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To all the GZT clients..of which I am one...I feel your frustration and pain of thinking you were duped.
You were not duped......I joined the mastery program June 2016, paid my 6k like everybody else.....when this story broke about GZT and Sean Kozak going dark, I was pissed off too, but I have a sense of reality of what goes on in business and what can happen very quickly when the dominos begin to fall.

Hindsight is 20/20, I think a lot of folks are giving Sean Kozak way to much credit for being the savvy sneaky salesperson who was out to take advantage of people for money..... I personally dont believe this, if you spend any time on the GZT web and have engaged with the mastery program, live trade room, the staff, and the indicator training, not to mention the large video library and the 30 plus Power point presentations, all created by Sean, Your own sensibilities should realize how deep this man went to in trying to provide what he thought was good trading tools and trading practices. Did he intentionally open GZT to rip people off??....No I dont think so.

Jeremy Tang has a good reputation in the industry and hired Sean for a while, that would not have happened if Sean was just an idiot.........Jeremy is to smart for that...You cant fake code writing!!!!!!

If you want to really see scammers...get into the oil contract business in the ME (middle east)...... I have.

If you have never been faced with possibly losing everything you have or being totally devastated by others actions, then you may not know what it takes to survive or come out the other end alive. You certainly dont know emotionally what decisions need to be made to get through such an event. Those decisions dont always look fair to all parties involved. I am not defending...just using my own experience to evaluate !!!!

Nobody knows what actually happened just yet to GZT, some folks on here are saying Sean Kozak had a drug issue, which may be.....some are saying he intentionally scammed clients. All rumors by mad angry people, no factual evidence to anything..............Is GZT gone ..yes..why?? we dont know

I have noticed people attacking others who were associated to GZT, assuming they were part of a scam or malicious activity to defraud.........again I dont believe that, and feel sorry for those folks who wanted to deliver a good product.

RJ has been in this industry long before GZT came along and has a stellar record, he is a product of the software industry, he is a good software developer. And like any new industry, the early days of software development for day trading was occupied by a small group of people who understood C+ code and who all knew each other. I am sure Nick who was moderating in April was moderating out of his own belief in the product. I do not think everybody associated with GZT is a bad apple and you would be wrong to promote that.

I am angry too, but have lived long enough and have enough experience to recognize when a business fails, you can't blame everybody who worked for it or was associated to it.

Look at GM...dam near went broke, and closed several plants, did anybody get a call not to buy GM cars??
Kodak, bankrupt, did anybody call you to tell you not to buy kodak products?
Look up Man Financial, a very large broker who went broke because of 1 person...did it make the entire company bad...NO
The list is endless...with far larger companies that GZT was or will ever be...........

To the people who spent the MONEY on the mastery program, like me, We all looked at it, tried it and liked it, that's why we bought it, nobody forced us, The indicators in the software have validity and when used in conjunction with other discretionary products they are viable. Do I think every signal is to be taken of course not, that would be stupid. The software was sold with a discretionary aspect.

I own the GZT mastery software, I use the SD Volume zones and the Print profiler, both are indicators based on volume and closed transactions....cant cheat that....is the MOMO divergence a perfect indicator ..NOPE...but it does indicate direction and trends....if you bought it looking for a holy grail...well then you were duping yourself.

I am only trying to stimulate quantitative thought into this subject, let us be thinkers and wait for evidence to show light on the subject. Sean Kozak left a lot of people in the lurch, no doubt, I am one of them, but I dont want to say he was a cheater, scammer, liar or he was malicious....for all we know...he got run over by a bus...that just makes him dead.

We had undeniable proof that Hillary Clinton lied to Congress, lied about her servers, lied about the devices she owned, lied about emails and lied to investigators but yet half the country did not want to believe it...but yes it was FACT.......

GZT did not lie......he just disappeared !!! who knows what happened? One day we will find out, I am sure...

Thanks for reading my vent, hope it helps, your not alone.

YogaTrading

When you get a new computer, unable to license the software how will you feel then?

Conservative numbers are 300 Mastery Students *7000k = 2.1 mil.

Shark Indicators. Bloodhound 300 sales = around 200k.

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When you get a new computer, unable to license the software how will you feel then?

Conservative numbers are 300 Mastery Students *7000k = 2.1 mil.

Shark Indicators. Bloodhound 300 sales = around 200k.


My friend, I do understand, and I am pissed too. You have the right to be mad, I am not wanting to take that away from you or minimize that.

I am just shedding my own thoughts and hoping that the people who worked for or worked with GZT are not just thrown under the bus for being involved in something they to thought was good.

Nobody has actually proved his software did not work.

What we are all upset over is his disappearance an inability to get support for the software we bought. True??

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Skeptical,

As I mentioned before, Zac states he was there to answer BH related questions, it doesn't really get any more clear than that.

You're obviously entitled to your opinion, but I'm not sure what your end game is here...to pin the fall of GZT on us? You call for a boycott, presumably in a one man crusade to destroy our business, but to what end? Have you thought about the implications of users losing support for BH or BB as well should your wishes come true?

Explain to the good people here, how they would benefit from that.

I understand your mad about the situation, believe me I would be too. But, it sounds like you've made up your mind and are looking for someone to burn at the stake.

So I don't think anything I'll say now or in the future will change it, nor should I continue to try. Hey, "you can't please everyone" as the say.

Thankfully, I'm pretty glad the good people on Futures.io are very intelligent and are smart enough to draw their own conclusions - and ultimately decide for themselves which statements of yours are falsehoods and which of your questions are clearly designed to mislead, versus actual facts.

I stand by our products and the hard work my team and I put into it. Our other partners and many loyal customers appreciate our efforts, our products, service and attention to detail - and we continue to keep working hard on improving them every day. Right now my main focus, as it has been since last November is porting our two main products over to NT8, so this seemingly unproductive banter has been a distraction for me on doing what I believe really matters - which is working on improving our our products, and getting the NT8 version of BH and BB into the hands of our customers.

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"Occasionally a trade room moderator will ask us to help them showcase BloodHound (BH) or BlackBird (BB) to their audience, or be on hand to help them answer technical questions that might come up regarding BB or BH, but otherwise we do not involve ourselves with private trade-rooms."

Perhaps you can explain what Zac is doing in the GZT Traderoom then ?. As he said Just stepping in to help Sean out. Recorded on the 2017-07-13.

2017-07-15_1051__Nick_Zak_SharkIndicators Sound not the best and takes sometime to load.

Clearly you were aware of GZTs problems and still supported them knowing the problems within GZT. Would appreciate it if you told the truth and come clean.

If this was a court of law, you have just been busted lying. Who knows how many other lies are being told. I suspect many by most of GZTs partners.

How do you intend to do to rectify this?

Or should all traders boycott SharkIndicators?



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