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Goldenzonetrading & Neurostreet - Sean Kozak

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Anyone have any experience with GolednZoneTrading.com aka Sean Kozak ?

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Sean Kozak is the same guy who does the Bloodhound videos. I like Bloodhound. Don't know about this venture.

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Sean is a good trader as well as a very good educator.

His system is not my style or method, but from what I have seen it is good if you learn to trade it properly.

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I sat in Sean's room the past two days and found him to be a very clear educator.

He presents in a relaxed style and genuinely seems interested in helping students learn.

He only placed 5 trades in the two mornings I was in the room as the markets didn't present too many opportunities for his system/trade set up.

I like his multiple time frame approach and his indicators are easy to follow.

Just my two cents. Seems like a good guy with a knack for the markets.

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Any update?

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He was not able to provide any true proof of his results (except some kind of Excel sheet on which I do not give a dime since for 5K USD subscription I'll make you an even prettier Excel track of records than he show on his presentation.)
I saw these excel sheets with presumptive trades of his students on his presentation and even these presentations were at one month distance the track records on them are the same(no updates).
He was not able to provide his proof even if I told him I have my money for subscription.

Beside that he use to send you emails with his good trades from previous days. What is annoying is the fact he does not send this emails every day (or record this every day an put them on YouTube as he does with profitable days) and that simply because he skips his bad days(How do I know that ? Simply because not one day of these public available days is a losing day)

So since he does not have any subscription to his trading room only to confirm what he claims I would not pay him an upfront fee even if he looks very proficient on his trial days (no more than 2) on trading room.

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I have been trading this system for a couple of months. I have not had positive results. I like Sean's approach to trading. His system incorporates everything I feel like is important in trading from my two years of experience. Yet, I have not made money. I would like to hear of anyone else's results.

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Since even the owner of the system can't prove his consistent profitability with this system I would guess you should not have great expectations.
Very few systems can be proved as profitable. You first must find one of these and ask for proves not empty words.
Then you will find out that even a profitable system can be unprofitable for you because it doesn't fit your personality (ex: too much risk or too much rules to apply in a short period of time or unconvenient time of the day when system works).
If interested in find out a source of true independent tests of various trading systems and trading rooms (not Dean Handley) send me a PM.

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Any update?

GZT have just done an extensive update on the whole program. Using a combo of market profile and supply demand. Pretty awesome coding for the market profile.

Everything seems ok, but its always concerning when someone changes their method, but seems ok at present.

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Let me count the ways ...

1. Great customer Service.
2. Well written Software.
3. Intelligent and capable staff.
4. Good and knowledgeable educator.
5. Consistent trading in trade room.
6. No excuses, plenty of explanations.


I recommend signing up for the free trade room trial. Check their YouTube channel. Check them out in the NinjaTrader ecosystem. Then decide.

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Hi Did you purchase the mastery program or only the indicators? I have been in the trade room for two days know and it seeems reliable for know Ty for your feedback

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I have been trading this system for a couple of months. I have not had positive results. I like Sean's approach to trading. His system incorporates everything I feel like is important in trading from my two years of experience. Yet, I have not made money. I would like to hear of anyone else's results.

Was watching his video's the other day on Youtube.

Dear Mr Kozak,

Can you please verify that you are either trading a live account or sim account? If in fact you are trading sim and selling your course for $7000 shouldn't you declare to your customers that you only trade sim? Is that not fraud?

Could you please show live accounts from your broker?

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I have been trading this system for a couple of months. I have not had positive results. I like Sean's approach to trading. His system incorporates everything I feel like is important in trading from my two years of experience. Yet, I have not made money. I would like to hear of anyone else's results.

Are you still using his method? Give us an update please?

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Let me count the ways ...

1. Great customer Service.
2. Well written Software.
3. Intelligent and capable staff.
4. Good and knowledgeable educator.
5. Consistent trading in trade room.
6. No excuses, plenty of explanations.


I recommend signing up for the free trade room trial. Check their YouTube channel. Check them out in the NinjaTrader ecosystem. Then decide.

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Is he trading Sim or Live? Big difference.

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Sean trades Sim in the room - he has mentioned it before while I was attending some trials.

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Sean trades Sim in the room - he has mentioned it before while I was attending some trials.

Doesn't he believe in his system to trade live? Or is it something else?

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He uses some disclaimer about it not being "legal" for him to trade a live account or something along those lines.

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That doesn't make sense. But Sean is in Canada,,FT71 trades live.

Something does not seem right. he sells a course for $7000. Surely he should trade live.

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Been in many "live" rooms - very few actually trade a live account. I certainly agree with you however when your "system" costs that much.

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If you were to buy a car etc for $7000, surely it would be alive, and not a demo in trials, , so whats the difference in paying for a 7k course, yet you don't know if its a monopoly course or the real deal, surely there must be some disclosure.

Whats the law on this? does anyone know? Any lawyers on the forum please respond.

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Sean is constantly mentioning that he trades in a SIM account. He states that he is a licensed trader in Canada, but does not have a CTA license. He has mentioned that it is too much paperwork. He trades Sim in front of hundreds of room attendees which is very stressful in itself. He meticulously keeps a record of Every trade he takes using his methods, and his methods have very little discretion to them.


Oops now i sound like a fan boy. Sorry, but there are a lot of Bad educators and Marketers out there and Sean is NOT one of them.

I have purchased software from his company and attended several months of his trade room.

As with all educators you will have to decide if you like his style of teaching and trading.

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Sean is constantly mentioning that he trades in a SIM account. He states that he is a licensed trader in Canada, but does not have a CTA license. He has mentioned that it is too much paperwork. He trades Sim in front of hundreds of room attendees which is very stressful in itself. He meticulously keeps a record of Every trade he takes using his methods, and his methods have very little discretion to them.


Oops now i sound like a fan boy. Sorry, but there are a lot of Bad educators and Marketers out there and Sean is NOT one of them.

I have purchased software from his company and attended several months of his trade room.

As with all educators you will have to decide if you like his style of teaching and trading.

-- EllisEdi

Thats great to hear, However when i had a pass to his traderoom and asked if he was on sim or live, he never responded. >I wish he did.

But he is still selling a $7000 course. If it was the real deal wouldn't you get whatever license you need? Or is it just about selling a product, perhaps one made in China? Excuse the pun.

Its easy to pull the trigger on a demo and just go, Well that's trading, if its a loss, But if its a real account your emotions are totally different and on the big winner, would you still have pulled the trigger? As you did on the others, Gun happy trading, no emotions, come on, be real.

From John Gray. The problems with SIM trading

Trading on a simulator (aka ‘paper trading’) is highly overrated. I frequently tell people they need to get off the sim as fast as possible. It offers an illusionary blanket of security which is actually counterproductive. No one trades the same way on a sim as he does for real money.

The idea behind the simulator is that you can learn to trade while not risking anything. Once you become profitable on the sim, you can then open an account with confidence. Since you have already shown that you can make money on a sim, you think you should be able to make money live. All you have to do is trade the same way you did on the sim. LMAO

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So I thought I might list off what i see as the major differences in trading SIM VS Live account.

SIM
1. Almost no Spliipage (can set NT to randomly add slippage).
2. Good Fill rates (I have not seen partial fills).
3. Low Stress since trading play money.

Live
1. Slippage
2. Partials fills on entries and exits
3. Higher stress with you money.

Lets take them from the bottom up ...
3. So If you have been tading a while, practice good money management and have a good mindset #3 should NOT be a concern.

2. Using Bid / Ask information (Sean's Print Profiler) and Volume Profile Analysis ( and even DOM) you can see where the current orders are and place your orders in front of them in order to help achieve a good Fill Rate.

1. Use your brain and analyze results. Create a worst case scenario that you believe in. For example, Sean trades 2-3 contracts at a time (he has rules which govern the amount). While I have been in his room (and you can actually go look up his stats by attending the free room and wait till end where he records his trades to get his averages) I have seen an average of $200 - $300 per winning trade. add a 2 tick slippage to every trade as a worst case scenario, add commissions and fees. do the math the wins are still profitable.
Now do the same for his losses.
Then check out his win loss ratio ie. 70%. multiply the win number times 7(out of 10) multiply the loss number by 3(out of ten). Is that number acceptable to you?


Finding the right educator for you is EXACTLY like finding the right method. You have to be able to believe in it. Take the time, do the research. Satisfy you questions.

Be careful of people showing their LIVE Account information. All these educators have programmers on the payroll. Even I can whip up a statement that looks real and says what i want it to.

One last thing, If you are an educator like Sean, you really do not want to be trading live and explaining things at the same time. that can lead to mistakes in trading and confidence in yourself and the system will drop. Sean does a good job focusing on a trade in SIM and being able to still teach and answer questions.

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-- wow, this is starting to look like a rant sorry

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So I thought I might list off what i see as the major differences in trading SIM VS Live account.

SIM
1. Almost no Spliipage (can set NT to randomly add slippage).
2. Good Fill rates (I have not seen partial fills).
3. Low Stress since trading play money.

Live
1. Slippage
2. Partials fills on entries and exits
3. Higher stress with you money.

Lets take them from the bottom up ...
3. So If you have been tading a while, practice good money management and have a good mindset #3 should NOT be a concern.

2. Using Bid / Ask information (Sean's Print Profiler) and Volume Profile Analysis ( and even DOM) you can see where the current orders are and place your orders in front of them in order to help achieve a good Fill Rate.

1. Use your brain and analyze results. Create a worst case scenario that you believe in. For example, Sean trades 2-3 contracts at a time (he has rules which govern the amount). While I have been in his room (and you can actually go look up his stats by attending the free room and wait till end where he records his trades to get his averages) I have seen an average of $200 - $300 per winning trade. add a 2 tick slippage to every trade as a worst case scenario, add commissions and fees. do the math the wins are still profitable.
Now do the same for his losses.
Then check out his win loss ratio ie. 70%. multiply the win number times 7(out of 10) multiply the loss number by 3(out of ten). Is that number acceptable to you?


Finding the right educator for you is EXACTLY like finding the right method. You have to be able to believe in it. Take the time, do the research. Satisfy you questions.

Be careful of people showing their LIVE Account information. All these educators have programmers on the payroll. Even I can whip up a statement that looks real and says what i want it to.

One last thing, If you are an educator like Sean, you really do not want to be trading live and explaining things at the same time. that can lead to mistakes in trading and confidence in yourself and the system will drop. Sean does a good job focusing on a trade in SIM and being able to still teach and answer questions.

--EllisEdi

-- wow, this is starting to look like a rant sorry

It actually sounds like youare or an affiliate of the GoldenZone fan club.. Or perhaps you are it.

It doesn't go without noticing you have only 4 posts since 1994

The problems with SIM trading

You should read the John Gray article.

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Thats great to hear, However when i had a pass to his traderoom and asked if he was on sim or live, he never responded. >I wish he did.

But he is still selling a $7000 course. If it was the real deal wouldn't you get whatever license you need? Or is it just about selling a product, perhaps one made in China? Excuse the pun.

Its easy to pull the trigger on a demo and just go, Well that's trading, if its a loss, But if its a real account your emotions are totally different and on the big winner, would you still have pulled the trigger? As you did on the others, Gun happy trading, no emotions, come on, be real.

From John Gray. The problems with SIM trading

Trading on a simulator (aka ‘paper trading’) is highly overrated. I frequently tell people they need to get off the sim as fast as possible. It offers an illusionary blanket of security which is actually counterproductive. No one trades the same way on a sim as he does for real money.

The idea behind the simulator is that you can learn to trade while not risking anything. Once you become profitable on the sim, you can then open an account with confidence. Since you have already shown that you can make money on a sim, you think you should be able to make money live. All you have to do is trade the same way you did on the sim. LMAO

I agree with the ideas on SIM trading. Basically use it for only learning a system, creating them, and Teaching them.

Sean teaches the system.

One nice thing about Sean's company is that you can buy the software separately. and when /if you decide to you can join the mastery program and they will reduce the price by the cost you spent on his indicators (at least that is what he has stated in a webinar).

Give any group of people the same system and same rules and they will get different performance form it. Sean's system does have enough rules to minimize the "human" factor (not eliminate).

Yes $7000 is pricey. but if the system works for you (you can trade it well), you can make that back. you do need to invest Time and Money to become a good trader. To some extent you can use money to make the time shorter and you can use time to make the money lower.

All the information to trade is out there for free. An educator exists to help explain it and give feed back.

Sean does use limit orders for entries and exits so you can see what he plans to trade in advance, and he usually explains why he choose the trade well before getting filled.

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I agree with the ideas on SIM trading. Basically use it for only learning a system, creating them, and Teaching them.

Sean teaches the system.

One nice thing about Sean's company is that you can buy the software separately. and when /if you decide to you can join the mastery program and they will reduce the price by the cost you spent on his indicators (at least that is what he has stated in a webinar).

Give any group of people the same system and same rules and they will get different performance form it. Sean's system does have enough rules to minimize the "human" factor (not eliminate).

Yes $7000 is pricey. but if the system works for you (you can trade it well), you can make that back. you do need to invest Time and Money to become a good trader. To some extent you can use money to make the time shorter and you can use time to make the money lower.

All the information to trade is out there for free. An educator exists to help explain it and give feed back.

Sean does use limit orders for entries and exits so you can see what he plans to trade in advance, and he usually explains why he choose the trade well before getting filled.

--EllisEdi

WOW, SIM IS SIM and not REAL.

It actually sounds like you're or an affiliate of the GoldenZone fan club.. Or perhaps you are it.

It doesn't go without noticing you have only 5 posts since 1994. It seems you are trying to move the thread away from anything negative towards GZT. Perhaps you can get Sean to respond?????

The problems with SIM trading

You should read the John Gray article.

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It actually sounds like youare or an affiliate of the GoldenZone fan club.. Or perhaps you are it.

The problems with SIM trading

Wow, I bet you have been burned before by a bad educator. Do not feel bad most of us have. I have purchased more than i care to admit.

I am not with Global Zone Trading or any affiliate. I have purchased the Print Profiler software because it is extremely well written and smooth software, it fit me and what i want to do with it. I am not a mastery student, but i have gone to a a couple months of his Free trading room and have seen his method and have interacted with him in webinars and the trade room.

I have seen a lot of educator bashing and i do not think Sean is a bad educator. Sean is an honest man with an honest company and a solid product.

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WOW, SIM IS SIM and not REAL.

It actually sounds like you're or an affiliate of the GoldenZone fan club.. Or perhaps you are it.

It doesn't go without noticing you have only 4 posts since 1994

The problems with SIM trading

You should read the John Gray article.

Have read it, and as stated agree with it. He misses one thing, it is a great tool for teaching. Sean is Teaching.

I have been trading since 2007. Day Trading full time since 2014.

And Post count ? Really check out your own.
Now i bet you want to see my live account statements ....

Go Troll someone else ...

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Wow, I bet you have been burned before by a bad educator. Do not feel bad most of us have. I have purchased more than i care to admit.

I am not with Global Zone Trading or any affiliate. I have purchased the Print Profiler software because it is extremely well written and smooth software, it fit me and what i want to do with it. I am not a mastery student, but i have gone to a a couple months of his Free trading room and have seen his method and have interacted with him in webinars and the trade room.

I have seen a lot of educator bashing and i do not think Sean is a bad educator. Sean is an honest man with an honest company and a solid product.

--EllisEdi

An honest man with an honest product trading on Sim. come on man. Are you making any money using his system? real live money? Can you post your brokers statements?

If his method is so good, Why did he change it some yrs later? because it had no edge.

Go plug yourself somewhere else. But thanks for your bias promotion of GZT trading on sim..What a joke.

I have nothing to say John Grey and FT71 say it all.

It actually sounds like youare or an affiliate of the GoldenZone fan club.. Or perhaps you are it.

It doesn't go without noticing you have only 4 posts since 1994

The problems with SIM trading

You should read the John Gray article.

Here it is again, https://www.nobsdaytrading.com/the-problems-with-sim-trading/

And I am not a troll, trying to get some real answers, but how can I since you are all on sim living in fairyland or perhaps Disney, Whatever.

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WOW, SIM IS SIM and not REAL.

It actually sounds like you're or an affiliate of the GoldenZone fan club.. Or perhaps you are it.

It doesn't go without noticing you have only 5 posts since 1994. It seems you are trying to move the thread away from anything negative towards GZT. Perhaps you can get Sean to respond?????

The problems with SIM trading

You should read the John Gray article.

I read your posts and I really do not understand what do you want to say. I have a very simple suggestion for you. Go to the page goldenzonetrading.com login for a free pass to his live trade room for one month and followed by all of his trades in the next month. Then makes a conclusion and see whether his method is successful or not. Regardless of whether traded live or on a sim account. It is totally irrelevant. It's as simple as that. All the rest are fairytales.

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I read your posts and I really do not understand what do you want to say. I have a very simple suggestion for you. Go to the page goldenzonetrading.com login for a free pass to his live trade room for one month and followed by all of his trades in the next month. Then makes a conclusion and see whether his method is successful or not. Regardless of whether traded live or on a sim account. It is totally irrelevant. It's as simple as that. All the rest are fairytales.

I would do that. The thing is you trade different on sim than on live. If he can trade the same on sim as its a live account then thats a rare talent to have. Very rare. I'm sorry , I just can not get my head around it. If you have a profitable system , you sell it for $7000 the Mastery Course, yet you only trade sim. It just doesn't make sense to me.

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“I have finally gone live today and what a Baptism of Fire it was for me. I was completely unprepared for how much of a different beast the live market is. I was stopped out for the day at 08:30 am. That’s terrible.

The fills and slippage took me and caught me completely unaware. I got slippage on fills and my stops. Also it feels like the live market moves a lot faster than the Sim.

For the last 2.5 months (on the simulator) I have been on a good solid run with something like 5 down days in that period and they have all been very small down days. No bigger than 6 ticks. Whereas my winners have been 10 ticks plus consistently.

Wow. My head hurts from this eventful morning.”

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Wow, I bet you have been burned before by a bad educator. Do not feel bad most of us have. I have purchased more than i care to admit.

I am not with Global Zone Trading or any affiliate. I have purchased the Print Profiler software because it is extremely well written and smooth software, it fit me and what i want to do with it. I am not a mastery student, but i have gone to a a couple months of his Free trading room and have seen his method and have interacted with him in webinars and the trade room.

I have seen a lot of educator bashing and i do not think Sean is a bad educator. Sean is an honest man with an honest company and a solid product.

--EllisEdi

Can you tell me how good this Print Profiler please. What makes it better than others? I have had a look at it , but don't own it yet. Priced at $1500 USD I think. expensive. Is like Market Delta footprint? Better or worse?

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TradersAccounting had a webinar last year in which they had a guest lawyer. I'm not a lawyer and can't give advice but his clear view was that you need to be properly licensed trade live in front of "clients". Others think differently and I think the regulation is unclear which creates a frustrating situation. Dean Handley (brought up earlier) holds that alternate perspective, and I respect that until there is absolute certainty that commercial interests will pick interpretations that facilitate their business activities. As far as GoldenZone (GZT) goes he says he trades in SIM for this reason and given even a remote possibility of a US style RICO or SEC/CFTC investigation I completely understand anyone wanting to stay far to the right side of the regulations.

For you and the rest of us it means all trading results we see in SIM rooms have to be adjusted for true fills, for slippage and for a realistic assessment of how you would have done trading that style with your money in that market. In my view that last one is the real killer, in the same way that two traders trading the same system can have divergent outcomes. Others on futuresio cover the psychological aspects better than I can, however with respect to GZT I note that he doesn't take a lot of trades so there would be fewer deductions compared to medium to high turnover systems. I also believe it is easier to take a trade and not second guess yourself in the heat of the moment when there are a clear set of characteristics that have to show up. The use of Bloodhound templates avoids any uncertainty, not just with GZT but other Bloodhound integrated vendor products. [I am a semi-fanboy of Bloodhound for this reason, and not so much for a variety of other reasons that I may write about some other time]

GZT took a significant turn in product offering when they moved into the volume profile space compared to earlier offerings of divergence and supoort/resistance zones. Some of the indicators are recycled and seemingly improved versions of FatTails indie's such as IntradayRanges, RelativeVolume, anaCurrentDayVWAP. I had assumed GZT was in partnership with FatTails but he is part of LizardTrading with some overlap of indicator offering.
GZT also have market delta style bars which is really the same essential idea as the GOMTools from Gomi here on futuresio. Sure GZT might give you some nice bells and whistles in terms of user interface ease of toggling various analytics on and off. My point here is that if you're Elite in futuresio the price is right. The greater value is in all the integration of concepts and templates.

For me there are really two indicators that standout. The first is the ability to highlight an area of the chart and get a volume profile for just that area. On its own this isn't exceptional and OFA/Algo has a nice looking equivalent. I haven't bought either of these but I'm seriously looking at these and a few others. What is unique and I haven't seen elsewhere is the ability to take that volume profile window and slide the whole thing forwards or backwards in time. [I would really like to hear if anyone has seen other similar offering]

The other capability that I haven't seen elsewhere is dynamic profile lines, eg. there is a line for each of the POC, VAH, VAL, H and L. Most vendors and rooms use profiles from later in the day or end of the day to discuss what they did or would have done. Its fine using a profile realtime, but that end of day profile especially when looking back at prior days isn't what you would have seen at the time of the trade. These dynamic profile lines are. As a result you could use them for realistically doing visual or system backtesting.

Just because something is an amazing indicator doesn't mean it will make you money and here's the rub. It is notable that the various templates formalize just a handful of specific trade setups which they state are the basis of the trading room. In the GZT webinars the equity line used to be upsloping but has been flattening out over the last year or so. While there are some unique tools in their suite, its not surprising that people aren't making money live if the profitability appears to be trailing off in SIM.

These are observations are based on simply what GZT presents to the public. I'd welcome feedback especially from people that are trading live in their room.

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TradersAccounting had a webinar last year in which they had a guest lawyer. I'm not a lawyer and can't give advice but his clear view was that you need to be properly licensed trade live in front of "clients". Others think differently and I think the regulation is unclear which creates a frustrating situation. Dean Handley (brought up earlier) holds that alternate perspective, and I respect that until there is absolute certainty that commercial interests will pick interpretations that facilitate their business activities. As far as GoldenZone (GZT) goes he says he trades in SIM for this reason and given even a remote possibility of a US style RICO or SEC/CFTC investigation I completely understand anyone wanting to stay far to the right side of the regulations.

For you and the rest of us it means all trading results we see in SIM rooms have to be adjusted for true fills, for slippage and for a realistic assessment of how you would have done trading that style with your money in that market. In my view that last one is the real killer, in the same way that two traders trading the same system can have divergent outcomes. Others on futuresio cover the psychological aspects better than I can, however with respect to GZT I note that he doesn't take a lot of trades so there would be fewer deductions compared to medium to high turnover systems. I also believe it is easier to take a trade and not second guess yourself in the heat of the moment when there are a clear set of characteristics that have to show up. The use of Bloodhound templates avoids any uncertainty, not just with GZT but other Bloodhound integrated vendor products. [I am a semi-fanboy of Bloodhound for this reason, and not so much for a variety of other reasons that I may write about some other time]

GZT took a significant turn in product offering when they moved into the volume profile space compared to earlier offerings of divergence and supoort/resistance zones. Some of the indicators are recycled and seemingly improved versions of FatTails indie's such as IntradayRanges, RelativeVolume, anaCurrentDayVWAP. I had assumed GZT was in partnership with FatTails but he is part of LizardTrading with some overlap of indicator offering.
GZT also have market delta style bars which is really the same essential idea as the GOMTools from Gomi here on futuresio. Sure GZT might give you some nice bells and whistles in terms of user interface ease of toggling various analytics on and off. My point here is that if you're Elite in futuresio the price is right. The greater value is in all the integration of concepts and templates.

For me there are really two indicators that standout. The first is the ability to highlight an area of the chart and get a volume profile for just that area. On its own this isn't exceptional and OFA/Algo has a nice looking equivalent. I haven't bought either of these but I'm seriously looking at these and a few others. What is unique and I haven't seen elsewhere is the ability to take that volume profile window and slide the whole thing forwards or backwards in time. [I would really like to hear if anyone has seen other similar offering]

The other capability that I haven't seen elsewhere is dynamic profile lines, eg. there is a line for each of the POC, VAH, VAL, H and L. Most vendors and rooms use profiles from later in the day or end of the day to discuss what they did or would have done. Its fine using a profile realtime, but that end of day profile especially when looking back at prior days isn't what you would have seen at the time of the trade. These dynamic profile lines are. As a result you could use them for realistically doing visual or system backtesting.

Just because something is an amazing indicator doesn't mean it will make you money and here's the rub. It is notable that the various templates formalize just a handful of specific trade setups which they state are the basis of the trading room. In the GZT webinars the equity line used to be upsloping but has been flattening out over the last year or so. While there are some unique tools in their suite, its not surprising that people aren't making money live if the profitability appears to be trailing off in SIM.

These are observations are based on simply what GZT presents to the public. I'd welcome feedback especially from people that are trading live in their room.


Well said.

If you haven't already looked AuctionDashboard product is pretty good (a lot of information and you can turn off the "propitary volume calculations that include mixing actual trades and Dom values). Although some people have had issues with support from such a small shop.

Another one is DiscoTrading. That product is only a Volume Profile tool but it is nice.

Both are priced under $200 at the moment.



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I was interested to find this post on GZT here, as I've recently had an interesting conversation with Sean Kozak. It's worth mentioning that this wasn't my first interaction with Sean, as we spoke several times while he was working at Shark Indicators. I do own Shark Indicators Bloodhound, and have a love/hate relationship with it, but nothing from GZT at the moment.

My previous talks with Sean was when he was marketing the various partner relationships with Shark Indicators around 2014. As a marketer, he is great - maybe one of the best out there. He has a clear presentation style, and always seems to be bubbling over with positive energy. I ended up buying one of the partner add-ons for Bloodhound, which I'll not mention here as it's a long story and besides the point. Sean worked up this add-on as almost the holy grail, and admittedly was very much influenced by his zeal and belief in that product. The product wasn't bad, but it was overpriced for what I got. A few months later, I saw Sean Kozak's name associated with GZT, and had a hard time separating this previous stigma in my mind.

Now fast forward to the present time. I'm getting lots of emails about Golden Zone Trading, mainly from Shark Indicators. So decide to go ahead and take a closer look. The first thing on my agenda is to look for the selling price. Wow, $7000 for some "Mastery" program... To be fair, I decide to give GZT the benefit of the doubt and start watching the free videos, and also sign-up for the 5 day video training program. Overall, I have to admit that I like the approach - volume profile, fib confluence (although nicely configured pivots are arguably sufficient), market delta, along with these real time volume zones, all on one chart - nice. Other items are somewhat disappointing - especially the MACDBB/momentum oscillator combo. These are things that are free from several sources - namely here on this website. There are a lot of cool oscillators out there, and at the end of the day it's just another oscillator. I've also got at least a half dozen divergence indicators, and am not sure what to do with yet another one. That said, we move on...

As mentioned, I'm looking for value - like what has been done to warrant 6995 US dollars from me to someone else. Okay, so my ears perk up when I hear the word "backtested" several times. That can take a lot of work, and can be useful if the data is analyzed in a thoughtful manner. I'm talking about backtest, walk forward optimization, in a context that has identified regime changes in the market. So all this prompted a phone call to Sean who ended up talking to me for almost an hour one-on-one. My focus was really about the backtesting, but also to some extent the Bloodhound integration and whether GZT was looking at Shark Indicators new product - Blackbird which is still in beta at this writing (and am finding interesting, but is definitely another topic).

In this energetic and positive conversation with Sean, I really did not get the answer I was looking for with regards to backtesting. In a somewhat vague explanation, I get the impression his team has made extensive observations that have led to the various settings on templates and data. For example they appear to use a variation of the range bar, and each market has a specific value for the range tick size. This is helpful, but not exactly what I was looking for. The interesting comment from Sean was after I mentioned his stint with Shark Indicators. He wanted to make clear that GZT was around before his involvement with Bloodhound. On a positive note, I do believe that Sean is an honest and transparent person. Despite the hype factor, I do think he really wants to provide a complete and easy to use setup. So back to the value statement, Sean is really selling a concierge service that he tirelessly devotes all of his energy towards. He's quite organized, and is good at packaging ideas together. For those who have a hard time remembering all the details of trading, or are not consistent in approach, I think Sean has something for them. However, with any concierge service, there is a price tag.

Bottom line: I think GZT Mastery is a decent package that provides some unique features and is focused on the right things. I also think it comes with a huge price tag, but may be worth it for someone who wants another person to put it all together for them.

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Goldenzonetrading is no longer using Goldenfibs. This product was sold by GZT for $999 USD, now they don't use it. Apparently they are using market profile algo that gives a better s/r line. You can have our new indicator for just $999 and a free pack of steak knives. Seriously, i don't know the price, but you know what I mean.

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Goldenzonetrading is no longer using Goldenfibs. This product was sold by GZT for $999 USD, now they don't use it. Apparently they are using market profile algo that gives a better s/r line. You can have our new indicator for just $999 and a free pack of steak knives. Seriously, i don't know the price, but you know what I mean.

Very funny. In reality it is value priced at $1499 but special, special, special discount today to $999.
No more steak knives I guess which is sad 'cos that's something I could actually really use.

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The Mastery Program that costs $7000 is just the start of the cost. If he decides later to add a new "indicator" that he thinks will benefits the program, you as a student will likely have to buy it (at a discount) as it's not included in the initial $7K investment. He doesn't mention this on his webinar at all so if you are planning to join the "Mastery Program" you will need to be aware of this.

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I participated in VPC zones intro webinar, despite some BS Sean said during presentation I still thought the idea sounded good. Sean also mentioned that he tested zones for 2 weeks and they "worked very well" so I thought I will ask for the trial and check it myself, but support responded that they don't provide trial but I can join trading room and witness magic myself. I replied them asking at least for the screenshot with the zones for longer period 20 days or so, but they didn't respond, I repeated my request couple more times, still didn't receive anything, contacted sales as well with no success.
You make your own conclusions. And they didn't receive my money, but what if they did, what kind of support you could expect then?

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I participated in VPC zones intro webinar, despite some BS Sean said during presentation I still thought the idea sounded good. Sean also mentioned that he tested zones for 2 weeks and they "worked very well" so I thought I will ask for the trial and check it myself, but support responded that they don't provide trial but I can join trading room and witness magic myself. I replied them asking at least for the screenshot with the zones for longer period 20 days or so, but they didn't respond, I repeated my request couple more time, still didn't receive anything, contacted sales as well with no success.
You make your own conclusions. And they didn't receive my money, but what if they did, what kind of support you could expect then?

His company does not do trial. I think they tried it once but it seemed like a lot of work for them to offer this. The VCP level is new so if you are interested in it, you might want to attend his trade room first before purchasing it. I don't think they do refunds so you might want to wait and see if it fits your trading style.

Their support is great. I have been using their products for a while now and I have never had issues with their support. They are top notch and therefore I am surprise they haven't answered you yet.

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I still think it's not reasonable to ask 1500$ for unproven concept without the trial especially when previous one like fib confluence is out of favor now.


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His company does not do trial. I think they tried it once but it seemed like a lot of work for them to offer this. The VCP level is new so if you are interested in it, you might want to attend his trade room first before purchasing it. I don't think they do refunds so you might want to wait and see if it fits your trading style.

Their support is great. I have been using their products for a while now and I have never had issues with their support. They are top notch and therefore I am surprise they haven't answered you yet.


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I still think it's not reasonable to ask 1500$ for unproven concept without the trial especially when previous one like fib confluence is out of favor now.

Yes, I totally agree with you about that point. Paying $1500 is quite a bit of money for something that might or might not benefit your trading style. I think they tried it and have not offer to do a trial is probably the man hour to manually enter the machine id in by hand and keep track of all the numbers of people on trial (which I would like could be in the 100s) and remember to remove their machine once their trial is over. I don't think there is an easy automated way to do this. Also, i am guessing here, but for those 100 people that sign up for the trial, I bet only 5-10% of those people would purchase it and to allocate the time to manage the trial subscription and to answer questions about the functionality of the product while they are on trial, might not be worth it. I't probably why they offer the free trade room passes so you can see the product in action and ask question right there on the spot.

Before I purchased their software, that's what I did. I took advantage of the free trading room passes to see the product in action before I decided it was for me, but like you said, my preference would be the free trial route as well.

BTW: If you do purchase their product, from what Sean says, there is no recurring cost after that. Any updates including new NT version like NT8 are free for life. They did make new enhancements and changes to the indicators and so far updates are still free. I have been harpy with his products so far. No regrets so far.

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I don't know how its done, but very often you just install indicator and it automatically expires after 2 weeks, no machine id is required.

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I still think it's not reasonable to ask 1500$ for unproven concept without the trial especially when previous one like fib confluence is out of favor now.

Totally agree. The more I research GZT and the latest release of the new super indicator the more I want to run. If its true that it was only tested for two weeks then thats just wrong to be selling it.

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VPC levels are same as Peaks and Valleys on any Market profile in my view. I may be wrong. The concept is very good thou. I do not have that indicator or nor I am going to buy it. I do have indicator that has peaks and valleys thou.

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VPC levels are same as Peaks and Valleys on any Market profile in my view. I may be wrong. The concept is very good thou. I do not have that indicator or nor I am going to buy it. I do have indicator that has peaks and valleys thou.

i watched a GZT presentaion on it and thought why do I really need it. Whats new? Am putting more work into J Daltions , Mind over Markets in which the concepts are explained better than anything GZT said. i'm not that sure about Market Profile in relation to individual candles/bars etc on the very short timeframes. I think that can cause you to over trade and put to much value on area's that aren't the significant

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I bought one of the many indicators he sells. It is ok. Not worth the price

I have been in many of his free passes to the trade room. He is a nice person but a medocre trader

He only does his trading on sim, and still can't make money consistenly

The best at showing real results is by far Jihn Carter

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I bought one of the many indicators he sells. It is ok. Not worth the price

I have been in many of his free passes to the trade room. He is a nice person but a medocre trader

He only does his trading on sim, and still can't make money consistenly

The best at showing real results is by far Jihn Carter

They all scare me at present. Feel like a seal surrounded by great white sharks. And i certainly don't trust John Carter and Hubert Senters.

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The most important thing is to make sure the “master” is actually a MASTER and that you can actually replicate what he does (good trading like fine art is systematic and a collection of techniques) and after you learn what he does then you must learn WHY he does it. Too many of these guys out there are educators and not traders. You learn to swim by jumping in the water, or being pushed. If you don’t drown you will swim. Really sick of these “educators” that can’t trade.

Point is – if I’m following BAD information, MISINFORMATION, and people who don’t know what they’re talking about then it seriously hurts me! Instead of filling my mental reserves of good information I’m learning garbage and to add insult to injury…. Paying for it. That’s the real scam, not the money lost.

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My two cents worth.

There are some good things to pick up from the five free training videos he provides.

However, there is more value in building your system yourself, trialling what works, what doesn't work, building your own stats etc etc than there is in paying $7000 to someone for a supposedly turnkey package.

It will never be just right for you if someone else built it and the real $$ is not to be made by SIM or trading two contracts.

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My two cents worth.

There are some good things to pick up from the five free training videos he provides.

However, there is more value in building your system yourself, trialling what works, what doesn't work, building your own stats etc etc than there is in paying $7000 to someone for a supposedly turnkey package.

It will never be just right for you if someone else built it and the real $$ is not to be made by SIM or trading two contracts.

I've been studying this system for sometime now. At times I have made strong comments in regards to sim trading etc.

This system is in fact very powerful, and the reason I can say that is over the past 2 months I have been following a well known live pro trader tape reading and his numbers from reading the tape, dom are most times the same numbers that the SDV zones print, sometimes the SDV zones are actually better. But learning entry, risk , the price action around the zone or number is another thing. There is no doubt GZT software is extremely powerful, whether its worth $7000 is up to the individual, however the support and content of the Mastery Course is of a high standard.

The other thing and it's been mentioned here thousands of times. Every aspiring trader has to learn a method that suits themselves, what they're trading, the timezone, psychological makeup and all the rest. There is not one turnkey solution for all.

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I've been studying this system for sometime now. At times I have made strong comments in regards to sim trading etc.

Agreed, glad to see you're flexible in your views on GZT.

I've been studying GZT and also learning Bloodhound and Blackbird. Sean Kozak did a webinar under Shark's sponsorship last week and offered an attractive package for $1600 (if you already own BH) or $2000 to include BH with his templates etc. Offer details are below; as usual it expires tonight at midnight and I'm not going to hop on board that fast.

The $7000 price tag is still in effect for what he calls the Mastery program. How that differs from the $2000 package is still unclear to me and I'm sending him some questions to clarify that.

In his recent (since July 2016) YouTube's he states repeatedly that he's trading live capital, not Sim. So the SIM vs. Real Money argument is moot, assuming he's truthful.

More later as I get into this deeper. The "free passes" to the training room are for Wed. and Thu. mornings where presumably he will do a little more education along with trade setups. I'm signed up and will see how it goes.

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Agreed, glad to see you're flexible in your views on GZT.

I've been studying GZT and also learning Bloodhound and Blackbird. Sean Kozak did a webinar under Shark's sponsorship last week and offered an attractive package for $1600 (if you already own BH) or $2000 to include BH with his templates etc. Offer details are below; as usual it expires tonight at midnight and I'm not going to hop on board that fast.

The $7000 price tag is still in effect for what he calls the Mastery program. How that differs from the $2000 package is still unclear to me and I'm sending him some questions to clarify that.

In his recent (since July 2016) YouTube's he states repeatedly that he's trading live capital, not Sim. So the SIM vs. Real Money argument is moot, assuming he's truthful.

More later as I get into this deeper. The "free passes" to the training room are for Wed. and Thu. mornings where presumably he will do a little more education along with trade setups. I'm signed up and will see how it goes.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

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the program is close to OFA with a fib, indicator..the delta and trap- ed indicator on the foot print looks like the grail...but it is not..you would need to use foot prints for 3 months to figure that out. there is no grail foot prints,,,ever thing he has can be found in the indicator download .. here.. gom is free foot prints and there are others...start with the free ones,,they want run out of the 7000 ones.

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people selling foot print charts make a leap of faith that all orders executed on the bid are buyers and all on the ask are sellers. if i use a limited order to buy and the q executes it on the ask ...am i am a seller ? for that idea to fly all the orders would need market orders. 70% of the trading volume are blots are they using market orders. now i am not saying there useless . and if there is a large number on one side vs the other there is truth to there idea but it may not be as big as you think. if you trade futures there is a spreed between the futures market and the cash market. they call that the prem. if it gets extended blots will kick in and trade the spreed. so on a probe in one direction or the other if there are large orders stuck on the tail end of the move are the blots stuck traders . some times but you would see this kind of info has limited value. you would find this stuff out in a few months after buying the farm on these kind of foot print products .ever vendor is selling them now... there hot ...a gold rush for vendor. i have bought some 10,000 foot prints my self 6 years ago. dont do it ...use the free ones in the down load area.

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I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

I retract that statement because the surprise may not be what you hoped for.

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They all scare me at present. Feel like a seal surrounded by great white sharks. And i certainly don't trust John Carter and Hubert Senters.



I don't trust Carter and Senters with a bargepole since the days they took the squeeze indicator from the Tradestation forums and made it their own.
Between them Carter has slightly more credibility but I'd NEVER buy anything from these two weasels.

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I don't trust Carter and Senters with a bargepole since the days they took the squeeze indicator from the Tradestation forums and made it their own.
Between them Carter has slightly more credibility but I'd NEVER buy anything from these two weasels.

You have to be careful who you buy from, would say 99% are full of it. Buyer beware.

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Have heard GZT is having major issues with the software. Bottlenecks, platform freeze, will not work in fast markets. WTF. You need a high-end computer CPU i7 6700 and more. Too many indicators on one chart. Lots of nice colors and bright lights.

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Have heard GZT is having major issues with the software. Bottlenecks, platform freeze, will not work in fast markets. WTF. You need a high-end computer CPU i7 6700 and more. Too many indicators on one chart. Lots of nice colors and bright lights.



GZ are currently pushing it all on NT7. NT8 might be relatively unstable compared to NT8 but it gives you access to more memory, multithreading and more. IMO NT8 would help GZ tremendously. They say they are doing the conversions to NT8 but refuse to give any release date.
That said I am a GZT member and like the GZT sw tools but unfortunately I am on NT8 as I need certain features and currently can't use them. BTW I have been using NT8 since Mar and I have found the platform to be awesome and quite stable myself.


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GZ are currently pushing it all on NT7. NT8 might be relatively unstable compared to NT8 but it gives you access to more memory, multithreading and more. IMO NT8 would help GZ tremendously. They say they are doing the conversions to NT8 but refuse to give any release date.
That said I am a GZT member and like the GZT sw tools but unfortunately I am on NT8 as I need certain features and currently can't use them. BTW I have been using NT8 since Mar and I have found the platform to be awesome and quite stable myself.


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There are serious problems with the software which need addressing. Also, the senior programmer recently resigned. Unsure why at this point no doubt it will come out in the near future. Are there any GZT traders making a consistent profit?
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I haven't been in touch with GZT for a while because I'm on NT8 and not using the tools. Who is the senior programmer?


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I haven't been in touch with GZT for a while because I'm on NT8 and not using the tools. Who is the senior programmer?


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I talked briefly with RJ a while ago and at the time he was about to go in for surgery. Perhaps his resignation is due to health issues..
I also discovered through other channels that RJ owned https://www.icindertrader.com/ before merging with GZT.


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I haven't been in touch with GZT for a while because I'm on NT8 and not using the tools. Who is the senior programmer?


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RJ.

Am also very up to speed in regards to N7 issues. It was only recently that GZT admitted there were issues. The updates are released without correct testing in beta, you install them then everything crashes and that causes customers to get annoyed etc. Everything seems in such a rush to pump another product to sell without making sure what they have actually works. The last update was exactly that. Just a complete disaster.

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I talked briefly with RJ a while ago and at the time he was about to go in for surgery. Perhaps his resignation is due to health issues..
I also discovered through other channels that RJ owned iCinDERTrader for NinjaTrader Applied before merging with GZT.


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I think there is much more to it than his health issues. Guarantee it.

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GZT is no different than all the other phony vendors selling dreams. 1000 Mastery students @ 7000K each. Do the math, that's the business. Not trading.

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I think there is much more to it than his health issues. Guarantee it.

RJ5Group and iCinDERTrader have NEVER been part of Golden Zone Trading (GZT). I (RJ) had a contract with GZT to provide technical support for his products. My main interest was SDVolume Zones which did provide me with an additional way to analyze my trades.

GZT licensed the IP of the algo for iCinDER_V2s, which is a minor cycle indicator. The merging of V2s and MACDbbs became the GZT_VelocityMomo for which GZT paid a fee for every copy of Momo sold to RJ5 Group LLC. RJ5 Group LC owns all the right to the iCinDER algorithms and was and is not part of Golden Zone Trading.

GZT grew from a few customers to many customers and I was no longer able to focus on my own trading and company. For said reason, and health, I resigned from GZT. At this point, I am back coding Market Force indicators which I use for my own trading and may put in the market.

My focus has always been trading since 1989 and I want to continue trading.
My algo is unique and is a cycle technical indicator. It is based on measures that provide a velocity output in the form of a quasi sine wave.

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Sean Kozak and GZT is all BS.

Sean can not trade. His system does'nt work nor has it been back tested correctly. The back-testing results are a complete joke, I don't even think he knows how to back-test. Yet he claims to use these tests as his format to trade Sim but never live. He will not show his live trade logs using the same BS excuse for legal reasons. blah blah. He always shows a sim account, never a live account. So why doesn't he get the technology to copy his sim trades to his live account, This way he can navigate any legalities. But he won't. WHY? Because his system does not work or is profitable.

It always amazes me when i log into the traderoom there will be a pre market winner on his screens however once the room is open and he begins to trade like some cowboy gunslinger from the wild west you begin to see all the loss's', and there are plently. Hey Folks. thats trading. lol. Now lets open 2 more trades as fast as we can to make that loss back, Whoops!!!!! 2 more losses . But hey folks, THATs TRADING FOLKS.

This is a warning to any customers buying or thinking to purchase GZT. Buyer Beware. Very aware, Extremely aware, in fact get you best runners on and run Forest run. Trading is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you will get. At least with the chocolates you get some pleasure, unlike GZT where you get snake oil and sour grapes.

Invite Sean Kozak to respond.

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Orders on filled on the ask are buy orders and vice Versa. Passive orders like limit orders don't move the market. Sellers don't sell at the ask unless buyers lift in which case that would become the bid so the whole thing is still the same. Buyers lift the ask and sellers hit the bid. This is a fundamental truth. You might put a sell order at the ask but again... enough buyers have to consume the liquidity to reach your place in line. That aside, if you're losing money and think an indicator is the solution then you got bigger problems. Not you though. I agree with you on this stuff.

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Orders on filled on the ask are buy orders and vice Versa. Passive orders like limit orders don't move the market. Sellers don't sell at the ask unless buyers lift in which case that would become the bid so the whole thing is still the same. Buyers lift the ask and sellers hit the bid. This is a fundamental truth. You might put a sell order at the ask but again... enough buyers have to consume the liquidity to reach your place in line. That aside, if you're losing money and think an indicator is the solution then you got bigger problems. Not you though. I agree with you on this stuff.

Pretty sure Sceptical understands bid/ask relationships. His/her bitch seems to be with buying a product that doesn't perform or do the job as advertised. Plus, spending $7000 and wasting all that time learning it to find out it's all BS wouldn't make me happy either.

Apparently, Sean Kozak isn't even in contact at present with his Mastery Students. Perhaps good ol Mr/Mrs Karma has come home.

There has been a question mark over GZT for some time now, cracks are beginning to show.

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Pretty sure Sceptical understands bid/ask relationships. His/her bitch seems to be with buying a product that doesn't perform or do the job as advertised. Plus, spending $7000 and wasting all that time learning it to find out it's all BS wouldn't make me happy either.

Apparently, Sean Kozak isn't even in contact at present with his Mastery Students. Perhaps good ol Mr/Mrs Karma has come home.

There has been a question mark over GZT for some time now, cracks are beginning to show.



I didn't read the other posts. I just found his post confusing. I'd be pissed too if I spent $7000 for bs. But you can learn most things about trading for free if you keep looking.

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I didn't read the other posts. I just found his post confusing. I'd be pissed too if I spent $7000 for bs. But you can learn most things about trading for free if you keep looking.

One of the other Mastery Students convinced Kozak sometime ago to put a contact list up of Mastery Students. About 15 contacts. Which have since been removed after an email was sent out asking other students how they found GZT. All but one out of 10 replys was making money. "And the one profitable trader said" is was not enough to change his lifestyle and definitely not worth mental and physical effort it took to achieve it."

What has transpired from there is number of students have finally realised its not them or the computer its GZT and the method he has been trying to teach. I personally tried to contact several people on the list and only got one reply. That person is also unhappy, unprofitable. THE LIST HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED FROM THE GZT MEMBERS AREA. WHY? Because kozak does not want his huge money making scam to be uncovered. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for traders learning the same methods to be able to have contact with each other? Not according to GZT. Its BS.

Not only is the trading method deeply flawed also the indicator coding in Ninja 7. My computer is a 3 month old Ezi trading computer intel Core i7-6850K 6 CORE Processor @ 4.2 Ghz with Turbo Boost - 52% Faster than i7-7700. 6 monitors. Computers continually freezes, charts will not load, the software will not work in fast markets, recently admitted by Kozak himself and have watched Kozaks super computer freeze. The software is unworkable. I am also aware of traders contacting support for a fix. No fix. The last one was done by RJ and was a patch only but still doesn't address the issues. Note RJ has resigned from GZT and was only contracted to work for GZT.

In the trade-room last week watching his relief trader Nick trade I was totally shocked to hear the hard sell on potential students in the room.. There was no mention of the software problems, or the computer you need. And the fact Kozaks method don't work. It was also interesting to watch Nick trade using the SDV zone on the 60 min chart. Nothing at all to do with Kozaks method. I think Nick to be a better trader than Sean. But still sim trading, using the same excuses. Not good enough. Show your live account.

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One of the other Mastery Students convinced Kozak sometime ago to put a contact list up of Mastery Students. About 15 contacts. Which have since been removed after an email was sent out asking other students how they found GZT. All but one out of 10 replys was making money. "And the one profitable trader said" is was not enough to change his lifestyle and definitely not worth mental and physical effort it took to achieve it."

What has transpired from there is number of students have finally realised its not them or the computer its GZT and the method he has been trying to teach. I personally tried to contact several people on the list and only got one reply. That person is also unhappy, unprofitable. THE LIST HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED FROM THE GZT MEMBERS AREA. WHY? Because kozak does not want his huge money making scam to be uncovered. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for traders learning the same methods to be able to have contact with each other? Not according to GZT. Its BS.

Not only is the trading method deeply flawed also the indicator coding in Ninja 7. My computer is a 3 month old Ezi trading computer intel Core i7-6850K 6 CORE Processor @ 4.2 Ghz with Turbo Boost - 52% Faster than i7-7700. 6 monitors. Computers continually freezes, charts will not load, the software will not work in fast markets, recently admitted by Kozak himself and have watched Kozaks super computer freeze. The software is unworkable. I am also aware of traders contacting support for a fix. No fix. The last one was done by RJ and was a patch only but still doesn't address the issues. Note RJ has resigned from GZT and was only contracted to work for GZT.

In the trade-room last week watching his relief trader Nick trade I was totally shocked to hear the hard sell on potential students in the room.. There was no mention of the software problems, or the computer you need. And the fact Kozaks method don't work. It was also interesting to watch Nick trade using the SDV zone on the 60 min chart. Nothing at all to do with Kozaks method. I think Nick to be a better trader than Sean. But still sim trading, using the same excuses. Not good enough. Show your live account.

@Skeptical,

Be careful what you write. Kozak was saying the otherday that he and Big Mike are personal friends and Kozak has more access to Big Mike than most. I think that's more Kozak crap. Might pay to change your profile for safety.

I think it's a great time to go short 7000 contracts GZT. :sos:

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Be careful what you write. Kozak was saying the otherday that he and Big Mike are personal friends and Kozak has more access to Big Mike than most. I think that's more Kozak crap. Might pay to change your profile for safety.

I think it's a great time to go short 7000 contracts GZT. :sos:

I have never talked to him that I can recall, that is pure bullshit.

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I have never talked to him that I can recall, that is pure bullshit.

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Hi Mike,

Thank you so much for verifying that. Believe me, he talked you up as being very close. I thought it was BS anyway. Nice to have it clarified by the man himself. Perhaps now that you have cleared that up other Mastery Students may feel safe to comment. Let's hope so anyway.

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VPC levels are same as Peaks and Valleys on any Market profile in my view. I may be wrong. The concept is very good thou. I do not have that indicator or nor I am going to buy it. I do have indicator that has peaks and valleys thou.

The idea for VPCLevels is based on an algo that I developed some years ago. The essence of this method was to look at market profiles and place the values of VAH, VAL, VWAP and POC in memory variables. The lookback period was 21 days. Once that is done you can call those memory variables in any other chart of the same symbol with any periodicity. To date, this is one of my trading methods.

VPCLevels also used swings and profiles of lesser timeframes which provided more levels which were later combined into single lines using a confluence filter.

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I've paired GZT with custom built audio alerts, a Windows key macro, and Bluetooth speaker to reduce time sitting in front of the computer and greatly reducing the number of trades while increasing gains. After 10 months of learning, doing, adopting the well conceived GZT improvements, only now did I feel that my performance is suitable for live trading. (Trying to figure out how I can use GZT in my live Ethereum trading to confirm better order entry. NinjaTrader Brokerage has yet to offer gdax market data.)

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I've paired GZT with custom built audio alerts, a Windows key macro, and Bluetooth speaker to reduce time sitting in front of the computer and greatly reducing the number of trades while increasing gains. After 10 months of learning, doing, adopting the well conceived GZT improvements, only now did I feel that my performance is suitable for live trading. (Trying to figure out how I can use GZT in my live Ethereum trading to confirm better order entry. NinjaTrader Brokerage has yet to offer gdax market data.)

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Can you explain exactly what you mean by this statement? , adopting the well conceived GZT improvements,

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GlobalTrader - You seem to 'know' what is going on in the bowels of GZT Land but my understanding is that Sean has severe health issues and I guess this maybe from where the company problems are stemming.

As I have mentioned before, I am a GZT member but I haven't actively used the tools because 1) I am on Ninjatrader 8 2) I trade equities. I purchased the tools because I know they have value for me. As you have mentioned several times the tools have a lot of instability issues and for this reason I last gave up again only a few weeks ago after using the latest NT7 because NT7 kept crashing and the bars kept disappearing! Perhaps this is because I change the active symbol on the sheet every few minutes due the fact I am looking at equities. But in any case I do personally think the tools have tremendous value .... if I could only use them on NT8. I was told about a couple of months that the NT8 release was right round the corner but have yet to see any evidence so far. I am keenly waiting for this release.

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GlobalTrader - You seem to 'know' what is going on in the bowels of GZT Land but my understanding is that Sean has severe health issues and I guess this maybe from where the company problems are stemming.

As I have mentioned before, I am a GZT member but I haven't actively used the tools because 1) I am on Ninjatrader 8 2) I trade equities. I purchased the tools because I know they have value for me. As you have mentioned several times the tools have a lot of instability issues and for this reason I last gave up again only a few weeks ago after using the latest NT7 because NT7 kept crashing and the bars kept disappearing! Perhaps this is because I change the active symbol on the sheet every few minutes due the fact I am looking at equities. But in any case I do personally think the tools have tremendous value .... if I could only use them on NT8. I was told about a couple of months that the NT8 release was right round the corner but have yet to see any evidence so far. I am keenly waiting for this release.

Totally agree with you about the latest updates, but most of them have been as a disaster and to have Kozak tell everyone for 2yrs + that is was either their computer, data or lack of N7 knowledge was another fat lie. Because he knew there were problems yrs ago yet proceeded to sell the software and deny the softwares issues.. He is still promoting it in the TR..

The very last SDV update prior the release of the Print Profiler was the better of a bad bunch. GZT coding is a disaster, freezes, crashes, the signals are a joke. I doubt if GZT will ever be coded for N8 so don't hold your breath for that one. The general consensus amongst Mastery Students that the "well-conceived GZT improvements" haven't been well received at all. Continued platform freezing, Serious coding issues, No back-testing to validate trades. Even though Sean says he does, we know different. He disappears for days and his staff covers for him. Staff leaving and distancing themselves from Sean Kozak and GZT. Another thing to think about is if GZT's closes shop who will renew your license for the software?

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If they close shop, I will see when the time comes. As a last resort, there are lots of services on the internet to break software

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If they close shop, I will see when the time comes. As a last resort, there are lots of services on the internet to break software


Why worry. It's only money in Kozak's pocket and you end up with nothing. Not even what you paid for. Just another scammer as far as I'm concerned.

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Can you explain exactly what you mean by this statement? , adopting the well conceived GZT improvements,

The introduction of the Print Profiler. New divergence signalling. Replacing the Fib levels with the VPC levels. These were all well conceived.

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Totally agree with you about the latest updates, but most of them have been as a disaster and to have Kozak tell everyone for 2yrs + that is was either their computer, data or lack of N7 knowledge was another fat lie. Because he knew there were problems yrs ago yet proceeded to sell the software and deny the softwares issues.. He is still promoting it in the TR..

The very last SDV update prior the release of the Print Profiler was the better of a bad bunch. GZT coding is a disaster, freezes, crashes, the signals are a joke. I doubt if GZT will ever be coded for N8 so don't hold your breath for that one. The general consensus amongst Mastery Students that the "well-conceived GZT improvements" haven't been well received at all. Continued platform freezing, Serious coding issues, No back-testing to validate trades. Even though Sean says he does, we know different. He disappears for days and his staff covers for him. Staff leaving and distancing themselves from Sean Kozak and GZT. Another thing to think about is if GZT's closes shop who will renew your license for the software?

It would not be wise for readers to subscribe to your comments about Sean and GZT. Why? Because you're not a Mastery member, and cannot give a credible account of the man, his background and experience and knowledge, nor his commitment, incredible energy and discipline. Additionally, non-members do NOT have access to GZT's incredible video / educational web. I AM a Mastery Program member and long-term attendee.

Sean is a very observant, articulate and astute thinker, in his role as a system developer. He conducts his session with keen intelligence, sincerity and respect. I have not traded his system live, but I have traded GZT with live data for almost a year. During that time, Sean never "disappeared for days," but was there for the class on Tuesdays, and trading on Wed's and Thu's. The fact that Sean documented his trades, and made the journal a part of his sessions with viewers, was key to my decision to invest. Now, unlike others I suppose, I desire to be my own trader. That means, I cultivate my own experience with GZT and gage the value of the tools by the efficacy that I see them provide.

For you to come on this forum, and ignorantly "nasty talk" about Sean - well, I have no respect for that.

Yes, Sean has of recent run into some bad luck with his health. His suffering must be great to indispose him to the thing that he lives, eats and breaths for. I miss his guidance, his discipline, and his energetic analysis. It is because of him and GZT that I've become equipped to step out into this "wild west" without a lot of anxiety. Mastering self is the greatest challenge. We all have our issues. Sean has my thanks and well-wishes for a soon recovery.

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It would not be wise for readers to subscribe to your comments about Sean and GZT. Why? Because you're not a Mastery member, and cannot give a credible account of the man, his background and experience and knowledge, nor his commitment, incredible energy and discipline. Additionally, non-members do NOT have access to GZT's incredible video / educational web. I AM a Mastery Program member and long-term attendee.

Sean is a very observant, articulate and astute thinker, in his role as a system developer. He conducts his session with keen intelligence, sincerity and respect. I have not traded his system live, but I have traded GZT with live data for almost a year. During that time, Sean never "disappeared for days," but was there for the class on Tuesdays, and trading on Wed's and Thu's. The fact that Sean documented his trades, and made the journal a part of his sessions with viewers, was key to my decision to invest. Now, unlike others I suppose, I desire to be my own trader. That means, I cultivate my own experience with GZT and gage the value of the tools by the efficacy that I see them provide.

For you to come on this forum, and ignorantly "nasty talk" about Sean - well, I have no respect for that.

Yes, Sean has of recent run into some bad luck with his health. His suffering must be great to indispose him to the thing that he lives, eats and breaths for. I miss his guidance, his discipline, and his energetic analysis. It is because of him and GZT that I've become equipped to step out into this "wild west" without a lot of anxiety. Mastering self is the greatest challenge. We all have our issues. Sean has my thanks and well-wishes for a soon recovery.

I've been a Mastery Student for over 2yrs and I agree mostly to what Globaltrader is saying. The software does not perform as advertised.

I bought the Mastery Program after much consideration in September of 2015. Sean is a very convincing sales person but I was cautiously optimistic. I thought I could sniff out a bullshitter but I dropped the ball on this guy. I would have bailed on him a long time ago but there was always the next best thing right around the corner. (Like right now its Blackbird but couldn't launch because the software was causing Seans computer to crash.) New and improved methods of dissecting the market, new indicators etc, that would improve your trading. The trade signals they generate are at best breakeven at the end of the day, unless your lucky enough to catch a trending market, then maybe you might make some money. But inevitably you'll miss the good ones and be in the market for the losers. And believe me I called him out on all his hindsight trades and he had a arsenal of comebacks, "going in with half size" (on the losers of course) , making trades for demonstration purposes only (if it turned out to be a loser), "depends on how aggressive you are", so much bullshit! And all his back testing results are worthless, this guy is just a salesman pretending to be a trader just to make you think hes just like you.
The back-testing results arent worth even looking at since they do not follow most of the qualifiers (weakest-strongest mkts, time of day, proximity to certain levels and zones, etc) that he says he uses for trade setups. After forensically going through his trade logs (which he no longer keeps) the majority of his winning trades happen pre market and the majority of his losers are during the trading room hours, interesting i thought?!
I would express my concerns that my results were no were close to what he claims that the Program produces. I wasn't hemorrhaging cash, but it was a constant slow bleed. He would suggest going back to sim trading to hone in what worked or didn't work, cut down my size, trade just one instrument, lots of suggestions no solutions, just diversions.

GZT can market the charting system with all the indicators and bells and whistles. But the days of promising returns based on adhering to a set trading rules detailed in a Mastery Program that is validated with trade logs stacked with fictitious trades has come and gone.

The con lives and dies with its creator.


I note that your post in another thread were deleted by Big Mike for promoting GZT. Best you get back on your promoting bike and promote your GZT BS elsewhere. You are nothing but a shrill.

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I've been a Mastery Student for over 2yrs and I agree mostly to what Globaltrader is saying. The software does not perform as advertised.

I bought the Mastery Program after much consideration in September of 2015. Sean is a very convincing sales person but I was cautiously optimistic. I thought I could sniff out a bullshitter but I dropped the ball on this guy. I would have bailed on him a long time ago but there was always the next best thing right around the corner. (Like right now its Blackbird but couldn't launch because the software was causing Seans computer to crash.) New and improved methods of dissecting the market, new indicators etc, that would improve your trading. The trade signals they generate are at best breakeven at the end of the day, unless your lucky enough to catch a trending market, then maybe you might make some money. But inevitably you'll miss the good ones and be in the market for the losers. And believe me I called him out on all his hindsight trades and he had a arsenal of comebacks, "going in with half size" (on the losers of course) , making trades for demonstration purposes only (if it turned out to be a loser), "depends on how aggressive you are", so much bullshit! And all his back testing results are worthless, this guy is just a salesman pretending to be a trader just to make you think hes just like you.
The back-testing results arent worth even looking at since they do not follow most of the qualifiers (weakest-strongest mkts, time of day, proximity to certain levels and zones, etc) that he says he uses for trade setups. After forensically going through his trade logs (which he no longer keeps) the majority of his winning trades happen pre market and the majority of his losers are during the trading room hours, interesting i thought?!
I would express my concerns that my results were no were close to what he claims that the Program produces. I wasn't hemorrhaging cash, but it was a constant slow bleed. He would suggest going back to sim trading to hone in what worked or didn't work, cut down my size, trade just one instrument, lots of suggestions no solutions, just diversions.

GZT can market the charting system with all the indicators and bells and whistles. But the days of promising returns based on adhering to a set trading rules detailed in a Mastery Program that is validated with trade logs stacked with fictitious trades has come and gone.

The con lives and dies with its creator.


I note that your post in another thread were deleted by Big Mike for promoting GZT. Best you get back on your promoting bike and promote your GZT BS elsewhere. You are nothing but a shrill.

I can only express my own take on this. I haven't felt the need to collapse into self-pity, then strike out at the guy who's brought me a lot of education, and tools which I'm finding useful. We pay. We gamble. We lose sometimes. Yeah, it would be great if we could just go out there and purchase the "holy grail" of trading, but it doesn't exist.

I mentioned GZT on ONE post, and somebody complains that I'm trying to promote something. You didn't find a whole lotta of "shill" posts from me out there, because I don't spend my time on here - I spend it working and experimenting with trading style given these thoughtful tools. Now, I've disclosed that I've yet to go live. But, I've taken my time. I've never approached it as being in a hurry to score big.

My experience has improved as I've spent LESS time at the computer taking FEWER setups - only those where the quality factors align. I've created the conditions that enable me to do so, successfully so far. Custom voice alerts per market per set up. Portable bluetooth speaker. Macro software that enables me to navigate NT7 expeditiously.

Oh, and I didn't mention the name because Mike taught me all I need to know about mentioning products: I might be trying to "promote" something - gawd. His deletion really turned me off to further contributions. And, it's precisely people like you, looking for an axe to grind, that blocks knowledge. (If you want to know the products, you'll have to private message me, I guess. - stupid as that is.)

You and Global aren't happy people, and it comes through in the conclusions you jump to about people. I'd guess that both you and Global still use the GZT tools, grimacing all the way.

There are no guarantees. No system can deliver what you're looking for. Methinks you either have the answer within you (with whatever tools you use), or you don't. And if you don't... don't cry, complain, and blame.

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I can only express my own take on this. I haven't felt the need to collapse into self-pity, then strike out at the guy who's brought me a lot of education, and tools which I'm finding useful. We pay. We gamble. We lose sometimes. Yeah, it would be great if we could just go out there and purchase the "holy grail" of trading, but it doesn't exist.

I mentioned GZT on ONE post, and somebody complains that I'm trying to promote something. You didn't find a whole lotta of "shill" posts from me out there, because I don't spend my time on here - I spend it working and experimenting with trading style given these thoughtful tools. Now, I've disclosed that I've yet to go live. But, I've taken my time. I've never approached it as being in a hurry to score big.

My experience has improved as I've spent LESS time at the computer taking FEWER setups - only those where the quality factors align. I've created the conditions that enable me to do so, successfully so far. Custom voice alerts per market per set up. Portable bluetooth speaker. Macro software that enables me to navigate NT7 expeditiously.

Oh, and I didn't mention the name because Mike taught me all I need to know about mentioning products: I might be trying to "promote" something - gawd. His deletion really turned me off to further contributions. And, it's precisely people like you, looking for an axe to grind, that blocks knowledge. (If you want to know the products, you'll have to private message me, I guess. - stupid as that is.)

You and Global aren't happy people, and it comes through in the conclusions you jump to about people. I'd guess that both you and Global still use the GZT tools, grimacing all the way.

There are no guarantees. No system can deliver what you're looking for. Methinks you either have the answer within you (with whatever tools you use), or you don't. And if you don't... don't cry, complain, and blame.

Perhaps you can present your live trading statements? Kozak can't because he doesn't have any. His whole method is built on lies and false statements. Cherry picking results that are posted. All have huge question marks over. What really annoys me is people like you promoting GZT when clearly you will not admit the ongoing problems within GZT. One day you will wake up and see the truth and your little GZT world will come crashing down around you. Just like it has for Sean Kozak. Hopefully, your sound alert is different than a car horn, would hate to think you got it wrong and ran onto the road and got run over.

"Custom voice alerts per market per set up. Portable bluetooth speaker. Macro software that enables me to navigate NT7 expeditiously". Excellent. Can just imagine you setting in your lounge, then beep beep alert. run into your traderoom, jump on the computer and place a winning trade...LOL. Come on man, do you really expect anyone to believe that? Especially without watching the movement prior the alert or understanding the markets current status. It ludicrous that you even expect that to work. Or perhaps you're under the same delusional spell as Kozak.LMAO.

When people spend a lot of money on these so called mentors and their phoney systems it becomes difficult to accept the reality that you have been conned.


As Skeptical said.

"The con lives and dies with its creator."

You actually write as if you are the salesperson for GZT. Wouldn't surprise me if you are.

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I've been a Mastery Student for over 2yrs and I agree mostly to what Globaltrader is saying. The software does not perform as advertised.

I bought the Mastery Program after much consideration in September of 2015. Sean is a very convincing sales person but I was cautiously optimistic. I thought I could sniff out a bullshitter but I dropped the ball on this guy. I would have bailed on him a long time ago but there was always the next best thing right around the corner. (Like right now its Blackbird but couldn't launch because the software was causing Seans computer to crash.) New and improved methods of dissecting the market, new indicators etc, that would improve your trading. The trade signals they generate are at best breakeven at the end of the day, unless your lucky enough to catch a trending market, then maybe you might make some money. But inevitably you'll miss the good ones and be in the market for the losers. And believe me I called him out on all his hindsight trades and he had a arsenal of comebacks, "going in with half size" (on the losers of course) , making trades for demonstration purposes only (if it turned out to be a loser), "depends on how aggressive you are", so much bullshit! And all his back testing results are worthless, this guy is just a salesman pretending to be a trader just to make you think hes just like you.
The back-testing results arent worth even looking at since they do not follow most of the qualifiers (weakest-strongest mkts, time of day, proximity to certain levels and zones, etc) that he says he uses for trade setups. After forensically going through his trade logs (which he no longer keeps) the majority of his winning trades happen pre market and the majority of his losers are during the trading room hours, interesting i thought?!
I would express my concerns that my results were no were close to what he claims that the Program produces. I wasn't hemorrhaging cash, but it was a constant slow bleed. He would suggest going back to sim trading to hone in what worked or didn't work, cut down my size, trade just one instrument, lots of suggestions no solutions, just diversions.

GZT can market the charting system with all the indicators and bells and whistles. But the days of promising returns based on adhering to a set trading rules detailed in a Mastery Program that is validated with trade logs stacked with fictitious trades has come and gone.

The con lives and dies with its creator.


I note that your post in another thread were deleted by Big Mike for promoting GZT. Best you get back on your promoting bike and promote your GZT BS elsewhere. You are nothing but a shrill.

This brilliant post by Skeptical says it all. I think we should just close this thread and leave it at what Skeptical has said. Sean Kozak doesn't need anymore GZT dirty laundry aired. GZT has been found out, period. Also, Sean Kozak has many personal issues that need addressing and by continuing with this thread they may be aired in public. At the end of the day Sean knows what he has done and has to live with it. Karma has a weird way of revenge.

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Jeesh, methinks you can find better things to do with your time than spewing such vitriol against worthwhile people like Sean.

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a have test it some tools was good but his tool freeze a remembre a have open a position was freeze my platform ninjatrader yes have a a serios problem with laag a think his coder was wrong that all a thinks

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Just make your first 100 live trades and let us know, if you do well , it will shut up all haters.


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Jeesh, methinks you can find better things to do with your time than spewing such vitriol against worthwhile people like Sean.

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Just make your first 100 live trades and let us know, if you do well , it will shut up all haters.

Yep, fair enough, indeed.

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There is no reason to believe that Sean Kozak is even a real person, it very easily could be an alias. On his website, there is no phone number, no address, no way to verify anything tangible. And yet people have paid him $7000? Wow.

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So, this is who "Big Mike" is, huh? You certainly set the tone for a lot of wasted chattering, sir.

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His Twitter account doesn't show daily trades but rather trade 'education.' @GztSean
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