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Market Wizard
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even if one of these systems work as more and more users come online and others leverage up is it not dooms day at some point.

Well, what you can do is follow the slippage that is available on the platform. You can directly see the difference between the hypothetical and real-time execution. If you find it growing over time you can make a decision as far as the impact it has on the performance. If you need help with seeing this, I would be more than happy to guide you.

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Matt Z
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do you not have your own systems


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Well, what you can do is follow the slippage that is available on the platform. You can directly see the difference between the hypothetical and real-time execution. If you find it growing over time you can make a decision as far as the impact it has on the performance. If you need help with seeing this, I would be more than happy to guide you.

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Matt Z
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do you not have your own systems for your managed accounts that work better than theses.

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Thanks again for hosting the S5 iSystems webinar!

It was a lot of fun, and certainly a topic I look forward to digging into more detail with the futures.io community. Again, if there are questions about anything S5 iSystems related just drop us a note. Submit the form on the following link and a broker will follow up and assist you.

https://stage5trading.com/alternative-investments/s5-isystems/

Have a great weekend all!

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@mattz @Stage5 Anthony
Is there a way to look at the performance data only for when the systems have been tracked or traded live? I've filtered the data to have been tracked for at a least year, but all the performance data is still from inception. So the few systems I have looked at all have great back tests - and good looking performance data - but most have performed significantly worse since being tracked. It would be good to be able to search without their (in many cases unrealistic) back tests.

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@mattz
Is there a way to look at the performance data only for when the systems have been tracked or traded live? I've filtered the data to have been tracked for at a least year, but all the performance data is still from inception. So the few systems I have looked at all have great back tests - and good looking performance data - but most have performed significantly worse since being tracked. It would be good to be able to search without their (in many cases unrealistic) back tests.

There is a filter called "live since" which allows you to choose the period you want to see the live results from. However, you should see the live results along with the theoretical model because you get to see the deviation from the model. I think this is critical when you choose a trading system because you may often find that even if the live system is positive, it could be slightly different than the theoretical model. Both could provide pertinent information.

When iSystems was launched, I spent hours to find a reasonable method to evaluate the systems and diversify among them. I would be more than happy to walk you through some of the key points I have found if we talk.

Have a good weekend.

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Thanks @mattz, I'll try and call you this week, but it may slip to next week.

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Thanks @mattz, I'll try and call you this week, but it may slip to next week.

Next week or after is fine. Looking forward to talking to you.

Matt Z
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@mattz @Stage5 Anthony
Is there a way to look at the performance data only for when the systems have been tracked or traded live? I've filtered the data to have been tracked for at a least year, but all the performance data is still from inception. So the few systems I have looked at all have great back tests - and good looking performance data - but most have performed significantly worse since being tracked. It would be good to be able to search without their (in many cases unrealistic) back tests.

@SMCJB,

Great question and one of the reasons I like the S5 iSystems software as much as I do. It allows individuals to create multiple filters to hopefully find something that works for them, or to better determine that this is something you are NOT interested in.

We made the below video to help navigate the S5 iSystems software and filters. It should help you refine your search and hopefully find something that you like. I hope it helps. As always feel free to reach out to us if you have any questions or would like a one on one walkthrough of the S5 iSystems software with a broker.



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Here's some analysis I did do the other night. I filtered to only include systems that have a track record of over a year and are profitable. I think of this as every system that is through it's 'incubation period'. I then calculated their "Profit per Day since Start Date", and "Profit per Day since 'Tracked Since' Date". The chart shows what I got.

Obviously everything below the "y=x" line has performed worse since being tracked while everything below the "y = 0.5x" line has significantly performance worse (less than 50%). The line of best fit, y = 0.2989 says that the average system performance being tracked is approximately 30% of what it was for the full history, but a 21% R Squared isn't that high.

While I can think of several reasons why this may not an effective way to look at every system I would also point out that the "Full History" includes the "Tracked Since History". If I extracted that, the disparity would be even worse. This is why I wanted to have a performance table based purely upon tracked data, excluding the backtest data. The results would be very different. Three of the four systems with the highest Dollars/Day are in the bottom quartile of the ratio.

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As an aside, 9 of the 13 (~69%) systems I screened to take a more detailed look at were FDAX systems.

I'm travelling for the next few days but will follow up next week.

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Great ideas @SMCJB. Does this have the capability to do portfolio level testing, to look for risk opportunities?

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