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Hi,

I attended one day in maria roussos training room from tradeorderflow.com. he is selling software for $3k and I am wondering if someone has experience dealing with this company and would like to share what they thought.

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That seems like a lot of money. While I cannot answer your question I do have a question:

What was your first impression of the product after your time into the trading room?

After glancing at the websit 'Trade the emini's" I must say i was not impressed. I could be wrong though........
I am not an expert but I am a rookie who has combed the internet for Holy Grails and privledged info.
I actually discovered Bug Mikes while researching a purveyor who turned out to be not only a fraud but a lunatic as well.
I would mention his name but he is out there lurking in the shadows ready to blast me with his secret doomsday code! (I never should have given my email to that guy)

The best lessons i have learned have been from placing trades in real time. i read a lot of books, I simulated, But nothing bar none is as valuble as personel experience,in my opinion.

Don't get me wrong.... All of the reading, studying, and searching were essential and neccessary as well. One has to build a vocabulary and have an idea of what is going on.

If you have several thousand to blow on a Holy Grail claim then you have several thousand to place some trades and learn some lessons. Who knows maybe you are a ringer and will turn that several thousand into 10's of thousands.

If it is orderflow you want then I suggest searching that term here.

I think of orderflow and interrpretation of it in terms as a surfer trying to pick a wave. The ocean is rhythmic but chaotic.
If I pick the wrong wave then I may miss the good one while getting bck into posistion. The only way to become one with the randomness of the ocean is to watch it. To paddle out into it. Smell the air. Taste the salt. Oh and watch out for the sharks!

OK I am getting ridiculous now but you get the picture.

In short, I feel that these signal producing Get rich systems are based on things that you already have at your fingertips and in your mind and in the platform that you are trading on. Orderflow itself is open to interpretation by the indivittle.

I have been researching it a lot myself and just watching the ocean.

Best money I spent other than on a trade was the $100 to become an elite member of this forum.


I wish you luck. If you do find the Holy Grail, please do tell!

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I agree with most everything you've said. However, there are a few (very few) vendors out there that do genuinely want to help others. And they are entitled to charge for their time and run a business. Everything below is strictly my personal opinion based on my own personal experiences in the world of trading. I am not speaking about any one particular vendor.

You can identify these "good" vendors if their website doesn't focus on how much money they made, doesn't focus on selling you indicators or a system, but instead emphasizes the importance of personal trading skill and education, risk and money management, psychology and discipline, etc. And bear in mind, these are the hardest things in the world of trading to conquer so finding the right vendor or mentor that has the experience and skill necessary is not an easy task.

Like your momma always said, if it's too good to be true, it probably is. Sites that just talk about how easy their indicators are to use, or how much money they made today, this week, or this month with their system, etc, are sites to be avoided.

I think this thread could serve as a template of how to identify a genuine vendor who deserves your business and who can teach you something.

Here is a short list to get us started. In my opinion, what you are looking for is a trading coach. Just like a personal trainer at the gym, a trading coach can help you one-on-one in the exact areas you need help. He can focus you, he can personalize your training, and he can hold you accountable. This is what you need. Not indicators. Not auto systems.
Focuses on teaching you a method with emphasis on proper risk and money management, trading psychology, and discipline.
Does not try to sell you an indicator package that they claim will make you money if you follow it.
Does not try to sell you an automated trading system that they claim will make you money if you follow it.
Clearly/visibly lists their phone number.
Call the phone number and verify you can speak to the owner of the company.
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Use Google Maps and see what the address is. Do a Google search on the address and see if it's a virtual office space, or a real address. If virtual, question the owner about why he needs a virtual office space address.
Check to see how long ago the website was registered, sites like DomainTools | Whois Lookup, DNS Lookup, Reverse Whois Lookup can help.
They should have a money back/refund option that is clearly defined on the website. Don't let them tell you there is no refund option because of their special indicators or system. You don't want special indicators or a system.
They offer one-on-one coaching, unlimited time/questions for no additional cost.
Do a google search for their company name and read all the reviews you can find from sites like futures.io (formerly BMT). Any reviews made by any poster with less than 50 posts should be thrown in the trash, and I am speaking from direct experience - an overwhelming number of vendors register multiple accounts to promote their own products performance (btw, they get banned on futures.io (formerly BMT) when I catch them).

I hope others can add to the list.

BTW, if you want me to make recommendations - sorry. I have no recommendations to make on where you can go find the above service. Instead, my recommendation is to just forego the search for this type of help and instead focus on helping yourself. Can a personal trainer help you lose weight? Yes. But you also can lose weight on your own, without their help. Your best bet is to read the rest of the posts on futures.io (formerly BMT) and learn from the many great threads and thousands of posts on this site. And if you say that is too much to learn or read, then just give up trading now... it takes a lot more discipline and a lot more time than you apparently have

Hope this helps.

Mike


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Hi,

I attended one day in maria roussos training room from tradeorderflow.com. he is selling software for $3k and I am wondering if someone has experience dealing with this company and would like to share what they thought.

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I have spent thousands upon thousands on software claiming to give me profits and showing me the way to trade. I pretty much gave up in the end thinking I could solve my own problems.
I did some research on market profile and orderflow and knew nothing about Marias room or product. I was introduced to her through another trader as i was about to pull the trigger on a market profile trading system. Luckily for me I did not enter into purchasing the other product and chose Maria.
She basically tells you how it is and does not mince words. The idea is to educate you on how to use the tools as opposed to spoon feed you.
Since using this system (about 2 months) I am now making decent returns. Yesterday I traded the DAX, the TF, CL and NQ and had my best day ever of $1930 trading one contract and 2 on NQ.
Today I have traded the DAX only and up 1500 euro trading one contract.
So please before you make any criticism and make cynical remarks perhaps you should take a moment and ask for a trial and see for yourself.
Frankly I am extremely happy......are you!!

Owning a Porsche does not mean you know how to drive it......same goes for trading. Tools do nothing for you unless you are prepared to invest the time to use them properly.

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With Amiles glowing review of Maria's product, then hopefully she does a futures.io (formerly BMT) Vendor Webinar
based on her methodology for the masses to benefit from.

Mike S,

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With Amiles glowing review of Maria's product, then hopefully she does a futures.io (formerly BMT) Vendor Webinar
based on her methodology for the masses to benefit from.

Mike S,

I have only posted once here I think and the tone of your comment is so negative. In fact when I look around this site it is one of the most negative sites around.
If you are interested then go take a look. Why should anyone report to the masses.

Anyway I hope you have a profitable day

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I have only posted once here I think and the tone of your comment is so negative. In fact when I look around this site it is one of the most negative sites around.
If you are interested then go take a look. Why should anyone report to the masses.

Anyway I hope you have a profitable day

Amiles

Interesting comeback.
I'm all for GIVING BACK to the futures.io (formerly BMT) community when a system / methodology seems to work.
Yes what works for some doesn't for all.
But you felt the need to post a rather large winning result, which perked my interest.
You felt the need to post that!!!
I'm reacting off that is all....
Say what you want about negative tone, I wasn't negative at all

I'm sorry if you interpreted my message as negative

Mike S.

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Amiles

Interesting comeback.
I'm all for GIVING BACK to the futures.io (formerly BMT) community when a system / methodology seems to work.
Yes what works for some doesn't for all.
But you felt the need to post a rather large winning result, which perked my interest.
You felt the need to post that!!!
I'm reacting off that is all....
Say what you want about negative tone, I wasn't negative at all

I'm sorry if you interpreted my message as negative

Mike S.

Here is the interesting thing. Stupid me thought I was bringing something to the community by giving a heads up on a system. Obviously I am posting in the wrong place as really all people want to read is bad news and how crap a system is.
As far as I am aware Maria is not allowed to self promote and I hope that Big Mike does not allow ANYONE to self promote hence the need for a community but I'll be darned if I want to participate in a community that only wants to slag off a system. Heck I could write 30 notices on crap systems but I choose not to as someone out there may find it works for them, so I say this works for me.

Have a nice day

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I have only posted once here I think and the tone of your comment is so negative. In fact when I look around this site it is one of the most negative sites around.
If you are interested then go take a look. Why should anyone report to the masses.

With all due respect. I disagree with this comment. I have found nothing but tranparency and the willingness of the skilled to help the not so skilled at Big Mike's.

I would, however like to hear more about Maria's system and instruction and your thoughts and experiences with it.

I apologize but I am weary of trading coaches that charge large fees just to teach one how to use confluence and confirmation. After all of the searching I did for proper instruction I have had to change emails as a result of all of the sales mails, and remove malware from my laptop.

I'm sure that you, someone who has spent thousands...
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I have spent thousands upon thousands on software claiming to give me profits and showing me the way to trade. I pretty much gave up in the end thinking I could solve my own problems.

would understand anyones apprehension of a high priced trading program.

Please do Maria and myself a favor.

Detail your experiences with her program. Sell her to me.

ANd please have sympathy for my skepticism.

Hope you have a good trading day!

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The experience is that Jim Simons is aiming for the 50% per annum return and takes quite a bit of risk to achive that.And his staff is full of PhDs!

Can`t comment on tradeorderflow,tho.

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Check out her trading room if you can on a free trial! You'll see trades all over the place. She'll not be using a trading DOM so you can't see any of her trades (you'll soon know why). Just Be on the trigger to fire off dozens of trades on the 6e and get ready to exit out after she she says she's already out with plus x amount of ticks in amazement.

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I have Maria's Order Flow package and before getting it I tried many. I found her package to be affordable in comparison to others but not only that I found that she was willing to spend the time to train you on how to use the tools. That is the purpose of her training/chatroom, not to necessarily be a trade calling room but a training room where you can see first hand how to use the tools you purchased. She is not charging for the room, anyone who has the tools are able to use it. Even though it is not supposed to be a trade calling room she does call trades and you can take them or pass. She is a fast trader so I am not surprised you couldn't follow if you were just in there visiting, if you had the tools you would know the where and why of her trades and wouldn't need to wait for her calls and exits. Just my opinion.

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Wow, finally something I can speak to with at least a little experience.

First, I need to correct who ever said Maria's software package was 3k. Unless something has dramatically changed it is slightly under 2k. Not that this is cheap, and not that it should change anyone opinion.

I've spent a lot of hours watching Maria in her room. In my completely novice opinion, she is legit. She does not show her trades but she does call out the entries 90%+ of the time, and the exits as well. Maria makes money almost if not everyday. She also tends not to sleep, or sleep much, as she will email you chart examples marked up at extremely odd hours. Maria takes trades in the pre-market for a lot of different markets.

She charges nothing for running the room and regularly runs weekend bootcamps for 2 hours. Students have to trade using market replay and order flow + market profile. I may not explain this correctly but she trades of the LVA/HVA, pivots, extremes of the profile using order flow as well.

I have not made a cent trading her methodology. I also have not practiced enough or even tried that hard. Mostly, this is procrastination on my part but getting a futures account in BC Canada is a son of a B*tch. Regardless, the issue is more just me not doing it. Not following her calls, not even being ready to try to do so in sim.

Maria is a successful trader in my opinion. She tries to cajole and shove members towards success. I still need to commit more time and just do it. Buying her good order flow and market profile package is not going to transform a single person into a successful trader. Doing what she does is WAY harder than that.

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I have only posted once here I think and the tone of your comment is so negative. In fact when I look around this site it is one of the most negative sites around.
If you are interested then go take a look. Why should anyone report to the masses.

Anyway I hope you have a profitable day

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There has been a review of Maria Roussos' TradeOrderFlow for over a year on tradingschools. Illuminating.

https://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/trade-order-flow-and-trade-the-eminis/

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There has been a review of Maria Roussos' TradeOrderFlow for over a year on tradingschools. Illuminating.

https://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/trade-order-flow-and-trade-the-eminis/

Read the review. Stay away. Keep your money.

There are no real rules here. They are made up along the way. My experience is that there is nothing solid here. I bought when it was $1600, included life time free room. Promised could buy second machine for half price, no mention of time limit. So after a couple months of use I emailed, was told I could have the half price of original only by Thanksgiving (about two weeks out). Used room a few weeks, got sick of very unprofessional things, like shouting at dog barking in room, the f bomb and cursing continually used, etc... Trades were not clearly called. Some were, others were not. Like most rooms, stops were hit but forgotten when the summary was given. After a couple months of this circus I just quit logging in. Have not missed it one bit. Moved on to a better order flow tool set and better training.

Oh, the boot camps. Well, never when I could attend. Announced on short notice. Then members were belittled for not attending. Belittling was the overall feeling I took away from the "training" which was not inviting, but intimidating.

By the way don't think your initial purchase covers everything. There are many add-ons at more cost. There are no videos to learn from, just "the room" which now is a limited time, not lifetime, with purchase and an outrageous subscription price thereafter. But then as I said, a couple months of it and I had my fill. You couldn't drag me back in there.

Some of the software is nice and has unique functionality. For that reason I used some pieces of it with other things. Until I had an SSD melt down and NT7 renumbered my machine ID.

And just lately, after requesting an update of my machine ID, I was invoiced for $100 for a "reinstall" that had to be scheduled for the tech guy to log into my machine. No more. I'm done. Stay away. No one else tried to get $100 out of me to tweak the new machine ID on software I had paid for.

STAY AWAY! Find something better. As an example, MZPack offers much more bang for the buck in my opinion. They continue to improve and develop at no added cost.

If you really want to learn to trade find someone who knows how, that can teach you to really do it, by and for yourself. Best training I have had to date is from Bill Bluhm, SCFutures. A real nice low key guy who can teach, encourage, and help you understand the market thru a useful combination of elliott waves, fibs, and orderflow.

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.... offers much more bang for the buck in my opinion. They continue to improve and develop at no added cost.

Chuck, while I agree with most of what you are saying, I am not sure your reference about the Mzpack is correct. I first purchased their NT7 license, then I was asked to pay for its NT8 upgrade, then I was asked to pay again for what they called another "major upgrde" so, considering also all the issues I had with the "agile.net" I could not sort out even with NT support, in order to have the package working ... just OK ! .. I decided not to use their package, ie not to continue to cash out of my pocket money for so called "major" upgrades.
"In conclusione": I consider the money I spent for them, just a complete waste of money.

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