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Rande Howell's Material Psychology (www.tradersstateofmind.com)

Hi All,

I'm working through my psychology and was curious to know if you had any experiences with Rande Howell's material. I'm thinking of buying his book "Mindful Trading: Mastering Your Emotions and the Inner Game " and if I like it I was planning on buying his "Developing Traders State of Mind Self Study Course."

I'll let ya'll know after I read the book.

Any feedback would be great. Thanks!

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Hi All,

I'm working through my psychology and was curious to know if you had any experiences with Rande Howell's material. I'm thinking of buying his book "Mindful Trading: Mastering Your Emotions and the Inner Game " and if I like it I was planning on buying his "Developing Traders State of Mind Self Study Course."

I'll let ya'll know after I read the book.

Any feedback would be great. Thanks!

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Good book. The book goes into detail of what Trading In The Zone and Market Mind Games touch on, but takes the level of detail to a whole new level. What I like about this book is he went over different trading personalities and I could relate to many of them. For your reference the audio book is bridged. I think this is a good read and will help provide a better understanding of your beliefs and how they become, what those thoughts are in your head, and a lot more. Well worth the money in my opinion.

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Hi All,

I'm working through my psychology and was curious to know if you had any experiences with Rande Howell's material. I'm thinking of buying his book "Mindful Trading: Mastering Your Emotions and the Inner Game " and if I like it I was planning on buying his "Developing Traders State of Mind Self Study Course."

I'll let ya'll know after I read the book.

Any feedback would be great. Thanks!

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Hi teamtc, did you end up buying Rande Howell's course? Do you recommend it?

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Hi teamtc, did you end up buying Rande Howell's course? Do you recommend it?

thanks.

The short answer, the book was good and interesting, but I didn’t take the course. At the end of the book he mentions diaphragmatic breathing. The book to me was a big hook for you to pay 2-4k for his course. He recommended against the self-study course. After the book I got so caught in self-awareness instead of market-awareness. Overall, the book was good, but it took me a month or two to get back to market-awareness.
I took another route. I took Doctor Gary Dayton’s fear course instead. He pointed a lot of good stuff out to consider.

@Big Mike has a webinar in the webinar section that Dr. Gary has put on. I think it’s good, but with the purchase of his course he gives some materials that will help you think about things a little differently. Actually there is a lot of good psychology stuff in the webinar section.

@PandaWarrior has a lot of good information on his BlogSpot such as rhythmic breathing and various articles.
Another thing that was helpful was learning about mindfulness and meditation.
I went overboard with psychology stuff, just like a new trader is searching for the holy grail of trading.
The most important thing that I’ve learned so far is being okay with mistakes and working to become more comfortable with uncertainty. Mark Douglas states it well in Trading in the Zone. Align the beilfs and you’ll be set. I’m still working on them.

If I were you I would go the route learning about mindfulness, rhythmic breathing, and look at all the psychology webinars on futures.io (formerly BMT).
Good luck!

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I first watched a Rande Howell webinar and I found his approach very interesting and practical.

I decided to read his book and I am about to finish it, and I like it since he explains very easily and according to his approach on what is needed to swtich from being a succesful sim trading to a succesful live trading.

However, the most important part or the way he suggests for a person to become a succesful trading is through developing the needed archetypes we all have inside of us. But he does not say in his book how to do that. He mentions a lot his main seminar and as teamtc247 mentions is only a hook for us to take his course.

So I got upset when I read that knowing how to develop the needed archetypes for trading was beyond the scope of the book, because the title of the book mentions mastering your inner self, so anybody or at least I thought, the book was going to tell you how to do that, but it says practically that in order for you to know that you must take his Ignite Your Spark Training course for Traders course which cost more than $3 k

So, has anybody taken any of his courses? Since the archetypes he describes is not something he discovered but it comes from the beginnings of psychology with Carl Jung, I guess we could find in the internet material on how to develop those needed archetypes and not paying more than $3k.

In fact he mentions that he took all this approach through the Carol Pearson work in this subject. And he says that at Pearsonīs book: "Awakening the heroes within 12 archetypes..." is also mentioned how to develop those archetypes

Has anybody read that book or has it?

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I have worked with Rande Howell and taken the Ignite program. This goes beyond Mark Douglas in a practical sense with emotional regulation, mindfulness and belief system. Please note I already do Zen meditation / Vipasana / kriya yoga etc. But the main difference with Rande is how he use thougths to identify the belief system instead of ignoring or pushing them into nothingness as in regular meditation. Unless you meditate and attain enlightenment , where you realize the truth and forego your beliefs and opinions, you will have to deal with them to realize the possibilities outside your comfort zone .
If you experience fear while trading, you have to look into understanding emotions and how to regulate them. i have tried nlp, hypnosis, cybernetics , neuro feedback , binural beats , light and sound machines etc but until you adress the core, they will sneak up on you. Rande is a wonderful human being and good teacher.

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I have worked with Rande Howell and taken the Ignite program. This goes beyond Mark Douglas in a practical sense with emotional regulation, mindfulness and belief system. Please note I already do Zen meditation / Vipasana / kriya yoga etc. But the main difference with Rande is how he use thougths to identify the belief system instead of ignoring or pushing them into nothingness as in regular meditation. Unless you meditate and attain enlightenment , where you realize the truth and forego your beliefs and opinions, you will have to deal with them to realize the possibilities outside your comfort zone .
If you experience fear while trading, you have to look into understanding emotions and how to regulate them. i have tried nlp, hypnosis, cybernetics , neuro feedback , binural beats , light and sound machines etc but until you adress the core, they will sneak up on you. Rande is a wonderful human being and good teacher.

Thank you very much Rahul for your post. I finished reading Randeīs book and I also have watched some of his webinars.
Iīve liked Randes approach since I think it is easy to understand.

I think every new trader has felt fear when trading live, and that can be the difference between becoming a professional trader and trading for a living and a person who quits. In order for a person to trade live, profitable and consistently he needs to conquer fear and to engage in a proboability mindset managing risk and not trading not to lose.

I understand the steps are as follows:
1. Emotional regulation so that fear and emotions do not hijack you rational thinking.
2. Mindfulness so that you identify your thougts, feelings and emotions which are expressions of your beliefs. Through Mindfulness we can know what are our beliefs about uncertainty, and we can know what beliefs are the ones that are holding us back, so that we can face them and change them.
3. The belief system would be change through the acknowledgment that our thoughts are not us, but itīs only a representation of the way our brain was wired according to the circumstances we faced since we were born or even before since we were inside of the womb of our mothers. Once we accept this, we can also accept the fact that our belief system can be changed for other that help us better for trading.
4. The belief system can be changed through the inborn but underdeveloped archetypes needed for correct trading, specially the Ruler, the Caregiver, the Warrior, the Sage, the Magician, and the mature Orphan. Once developed they can form the proper trading committee that can take us to a successful trading.

Here the question is how to develop those inborn archetypes that every person already has in the deepest of the self. Rande mentions two methods: symbolic representations and memory enrichment.

In my case my main problem is exactly with managing uncertainty. My main fears are fear to lose and fear to be wrong, I guess those are the most common fears in every trader.


So, What tips could you Rahul give us to develop those needed archetypes and how to manage them once we are trading? I understand this is a process that each person must engage by its own and that there are not magic formulas, but I do not know if you could tell us the steps to pefrorm this process of archetype developing or some exercises we can peform?

Thanks in advance

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Thank you very much Rahul for your post. I finished reading Randeīs book and I also have watched some of his webinars.
Iīve liked Randes approach since I think it is easy to understand.

I think every new trader has felt fear when trading live, and that can be the difference between becoming a professional trader and trading for a living and a person who quits. In order for a person to trade live, profitable and consistently he needs to conquer fear and to engage in a proboability mindset managing risk and not trading not to lose.

I understand the steps are as follows:
1. Emotional regulation so that fear and emotions do not hijack you rational thinking.
2. Mindfulness so that you identify your thougts, feelings and emotions which are expressions of your beliefs. Through Mindfulness we can know what are our beliefs about uncertainty, and we can know what beliefs are the ones that are holding us back, so that we can face them and change them.
3. The belief system would be change through the acknowledgment that our thoughts are not us, but itīs only a representation of the way our brain was wired according to the circumstances we faced since we were born or even before since we were inside of the womb of our mothers. Once we accept this, we can also accept the fact that our belief system can be changed for other that help us better for trading.
4. The belief system can be changed through the inborn but underdeveloped archetypes needed for correct trading, specially the Ruler, the Caregiver, the Warrior, the Sage, the Magician, and the mature Orphan. Once developed they can form the proper trading committee that can take us to a successful trading.

Here the question is how to develop those inborn archetypes that every person already has in the deepest of the self. Rande mentions two methods: symbolic representations and memory enrichment.

In my case my main problem is exactly with managing uncertainty. My main fears are fear to lose and fear to be wrong, I guess those are the most common fears in every trader.


So, What tips could you Rahul give us to develop those needed archetypes and how to manage them once we are trading? I understand this is a process that each person must engage by its own and that there are not magic formulas, but I do not know if you could tell us the steps to pefrorm this process of archetype developing or some exercises we can peform?

Thanks in advance

Jorge

Jorge,
your understanding is correct. Once you understand the biological aspect of emotions, how emotions determines the state of mind you think from, how thinking determines the possibilities and possibilities determines your actions. Every emotions have a breathing signature and emotion cannot be maintained unless you maintain the breathing. IF you record yourself while trading and look at the places where you are fearful, you will notice how you hold your breath or do shallow breathing. it is a fun thing to watch . If you have read "Relaxation Response" , you will notice that emotions can be regulated by changing the breathing, using deep belly breathing.

Since you have already read the book and understood the concepts, you may want to put that into practice.

Choosing this route will require dedication and commitment, with breathing and developing Mindfulness. Once you have this skills it will open the door for observing the beliefs and altering them. Mindfulness is a wonderful thing to have, it will set you free from all the mindless drama you will get involved with, in life and trading.

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