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Were you profitable using the methods?

MOJORD....I studied 8-10 hours a day 6 days a week for 2+ months and found out the program, software and training was mediocre at best. To answer your question specifically, Big Mike said it best, the above reviews were open to interpretation, to put it diplomatically. Good luck in your quest.

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Crap

I purchased the training and, gulp, quickly decided it was an absolute waste of time. Among my list of negatives, this guy claims his method works the same in all markets. Maybe in theory. He said it can't be used in the ES, TF, CL, ZN, he tried. His training videos are using these markets. He said it can only be used in the bond market. Then it stopped working in the bond market and he said he was going to try it with the notes again. This was all in less than 2 weeks. I looked for a reason to stay, but couldn't find one.


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I purchased the training and, gulp, quickly decided it was an absolute waste of time. Among my list of negatives, this guy claims his method works the same in all markets. Maybe in theory. He said it can't be used in the ES, TF, CL, ZN, he tried. His training videos are using these markets. He said it can only be used in the bond market. Then it stopped working in the bond market and he said he was going to try it with the notes again. This was all in less than 2 weeks. I looked for a reason to stay, but couldn't find one.


Wilson, thanks for the input. My experience exactly...I wasted hundreds of hours studying his training videos on ES, TF, CL, ZN and ZB to find out from him that it only worked on the ZB. Then there seemed to be more days on the ZB that you couldn't use it successfully there either.

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haha
All markets operate under the same scenario, if someone wants to convince you that there is what is the difference, then ask him hard evidence

* If investing gets too difficult for a seventh grader to understand, the system is needlessly complex
* Markets produce an enormous volume of information, much of which is redundant
* In every game and con there's always an opponent, and there's always a victim. The trick is to know when you're the latter, so you can become the former
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i have been a member for 6 months and i find the program excellent....but its not for everyone. it requires extensive education followed by a lot of hard work. i think 3 months to figure out if it works for you is a very good deal. most people will spend more than $750 on a seminar. at the end of the day you have to figure out what works best for you. it has made me a far better trader but i put in the hard work. Scott makes no excuses for the no shortcut method but he is available to anyone for 1-on-1 session for those that are having trouble. 90% of your time will be going through the material and practicing the concepts in market replay, 2 training sessions a week and about 10% actual trading. Scott is available after every live trading session for questions or concerns via Skype....the method required discipline and a commitment that a lot of people simply do not have. at the end of the day your success is on your back. put in what is expected of you and you will see results. this is with any system. it takes time and effort. trading is a business so be professional in what ever you decide to commit to. this system works for me. this is just my opinion. hope this helps.


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showing hidden orders

The video at the website is showing hidden orders in the chart. Where can get this vendor information about hidden orders. Is this Information part of the CME data feed or a calculation of the vendor? Where can i get this Information about hidden orders or icebergs when i dont want to buy a software for 1k bugs?

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i have been a member for 6 months and i find the program excellent....but its not for everyone. it requires extensive education followed by a lot of hard work. i think 3 months to figure out if it works for you is a very good deal. most people will spend more than $750 on a seminar. at the end of the day you have to figure out what works best for you. it has made me a far better trader but i put in the hard work. Scott makes no excuses for the no shortcut method but he is available to anyone for 1-on-1 session for those that are having trouble. 90% of your time will be going through the material and practicing the concepts in market replay, 2 training sessions a week and about 10% actual trading. Scott is available after every live trading session for questions or concerns via Skype....the method required discipline and a commitment that a lot of people simply do not have. at the end of the day your success is on your back. put in what is expected of you and you will see results. this is with any system. it takes time and effort. trading is a business so be professional in what ever you decide to commit to. this system works for me. this is just my opinion. hope this helps.

it works a lot better if you know where the major reverence points are. fat POC , areas of mimus development, ect. ect. turning it on in in a wilderness area ( it does not work so good ) he traders bonds so you need the 5 ,10,30, year domes up looking at the order flow on all. you have to be able to tell if hevy spreeding is going on, ect. ect. like most stuff in trading ..yes it is grate under the correction condations. when they change it blow up too.

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thoughts

I have never used this software but did watch a few of his videos and wanted to put some thoughts in on the subject.
I trade all the index futures as well as CL and NG and was only very occasionally trading ZB and ZN. ZN now is my main contract with the indexes second (I prefer YM personally).

ANY system that uses a 1 tick stop 1 tick PT will most likely have a 50/50 success rate (at best) and this is simply due to the stop being the minimum distance from the current price. markets fluctuate, they all do, and some contracts more than others. The reason I have gravitated towards the ZN is that I can trade it like I used to be able to trade ES, which is to say, free trading it without stops and scaling in and out, basically getting in with a 1 lot then adding and scaling out then scaling back in on pullbacks. If I was dead wrong I just take myself out of the 1 lot and lose very little.

All contracts trade differently, in that they will move in different tick sizes on average over say a 3 min or 5 min or whatever chart you prefer (use zig zag or price action swing or ATR to verify). That is assuming consistent market conditions and volatility. Add in periods of high volatility and I don't think there is any contract that you can trade with a 1 tick stop, reliably, day in and day out. The only way you'd be able to be successful is to try to hop on a move that has already started and hope for the best, but I still have my doubts really.

I high win rate, I have found, only comes with wider stops as over time, otherwise the natural chaos and volatility of the market will stop you out over and over, especially with a 1 tick stop.

Also, any vendor that has you hooked for life for an indicator and system is just that, hooking you. If its that good, sell it and don't make people purchase their own loyalty to your product (they are so invested that they are afraid to leave)

Just my 3 cents, cheers


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I have never used this software but did watch a few of his videos and wanted to put some thoughts in on the subject.
I trade all the index futures as well as CL and NG and was only very occasionally trading ZB and ZN. ZN now is my main contract with the indexes second (I prefer YM personally).

ANY system that uses a 1 tick stop 1 tick PT will most likely have a 50/50 success rate (at best) and this is simply due to the stop being the minimum distance from the current price. markets fluctuate, they all do, and some contracts more than others. The reason I have gravitated towards the ZN is that I can trade it like I used to be able to trade ES, which is to say, free trading it without stops and scaling in and out, basically getting in with a 1 lot then adding and scaling out then scaling back in on pullbacks. If I was dead wrong I just take myself out of the 1 lot and lose very little.

All contracts trade differently, in that they will move in different tick sizes on average over say a 3 min or 5 min or whatever chart you prefer (use zig zag or price action swing or ATR to verify). That is assuming consistent market conditions and volatility. Add in periods of high volatility and I don't think there is any contract that you can trade with a 1 tick stop, reliably, day in and day out. The only way you'd be able to be successful is to try to hop on a move that has already started and hope for the best, but I still have my doubts really.

I high win rate, I have found, only comes with wider stops as over time, otherwise the natural chaos and volatility of the market will stop you out over and over, especially with a 1 tick stop.

Also, any vendor that has you hooked for life for an indicator and system is just that, hooking you. If its that good, sell it and don't make people purchase their own loyalty to your product (they are so invested that they are afraid to leave)

Just my 3 cents, cheers

What do u do for market prep for zn?
To read order flow how are u doing it? What dom are u using?
How many trades a day do u take?
What is your average win/loss?
What times are best for zn?

Are u trying to avoid news movements or trade them

Trying to learn this method thanks

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What do u do for market prep for zn?
To read order flow how are u doing it? What dom are u using?
How many trades a day do u take?
What is your average win/loss?
What times are best for zn?

Are u trying to avoid news movements or trade them

Trying to learn this method thanks

I use Jigsaw and its fantastic but to be honest the imbalances and little quirks you can spot on say ES (or TF) are usually not as present or clear on ZN. You can trade ZN successfully with any dom that has volume profile on it imo.

I take 3-4 trades per day, unless I get a runner and I try to milk that one.

Are you asking my win/loss rate or amount? Win loss rate is about 65-70% but I take very small losses on it, maybe $100-150 and add contracts to the winners so I try to take 3-600 on those

ppl say the morning is best for trading the bonds but I find them fine all day. I never trade the open on anything, usually wait until the day plays its hand a bit and I'm looking to trade from 10am ET and onwards

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