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This is Ist time I am posting some thing about my trading style, Wave count play a important role in my trade decisions. Today I am posting one example of wave count for ES. This also shows power MTP for wave count.

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Hi Kjaved,

What indicator are you using in Ninja that automatically puts the wave count numbers on the chart? Is this a standard indicator?

Please advise

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Hello Fjaved,

Can you tell us more about your setups or what do you look for when entering, etc?

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This is Ist time I am posting some thing about my trading style, Wave count play a important role in my trade decisions. Today I am posting one example of wave count for ES. This also shows power MTP for wave count.

Im a MTP user myself but have to say its too much expensive for what i got at the end, it's a nice peace of software but at the end it's not profitable :-(.

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Im a MTP user myself but have to say its too much expensive for what i got at the end, it's a nice peace of software but at the end it's not profitable :-(.

I looked at it as well, and it's a fine piece of work but the true beauty of it is the risk/reward money management system and how it lays everything out, that is fantastic work. The counting waves.... not so much... lol

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I looked at it as well, and it's a fine piece of work but the true beauty of it is the risk/reward money management system and how it lays everything out, that is fantastic work. The counting waves.... not so much... lol

Mike

The only thing impress me it's the DP option, that way you can obtain a nice clean FIB Cluster,

Regarding the MM / RR, they claim their software its profitable based on that, but i put together 2K of code that probe it wrong, never get that strategy to go profitable in the long run, don't matter what combination I use.

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I agree, the R/R values it was returning were bogus and not obtained, but, the concept was nice.

I've always liked scoring trades, or weighting them, based on multiple factors. I assume their risk/reward system is similar, and they've probably also got some statistical analysis on which patterns do what over time.

I still hold out hope that in the coming years this software will continue to advance, I just hope when they finally get it right, I can still afford it!

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Im a MTP user myself but have to say its too much expensive for what i got at the end, it's a nice peace of software but at the end it's not profitable :-(.

Hi PrTester

your quote here about MTPredictor needs some additional remarks and corrections in point of my personal view.

I traded years ago the Elliot Waves with bad results' it's to difficult.
Steve Griffiths from MTP www.MTPredictor.com solved the problem for me with his Isolation Approach™. It is unique and makes actually trading Elliott wave a reality and profitable.

For me, the MTP Software is the best choice and I use it since 3 years very succesfully and profitable with the Prediction of Support and Resistance DP and WPT, exact entry signals and the unique Money Management. See attachment from yesterday I made with real Money!

If you trade MTP with a defined trading plan (MTP EOD 6.0 high TF and NT Market Analyzer for orders signals and correct entries on a lower TF you can only be succesful with a constant growing equity curve.

When I read your post and negative remarks I think you didn't understand the MTP Concept and Trading System. (BTW it's very cheap, you get the return of investment with some good trades, which you will have, when you trade the MTP Tradingplan and Concept).

May I ask you some questions?

How long do you trade with MTP?
Did you ever read the complete 165 page manual?
Did you watched all help video?
Did you attended all 2 weekly webinars for advanced traders?
Do you use MTP EOD 6.0 and MTP Add on for NT, TS or eSignal?
Do you have a strategy to take the trades which the Market Analyzer give you?

I'm a professional Daytrader since over 6 years (Futures and Currencies), now on Ninjatrader, MIRUS Zen Fire and Interactive Brokers and I can tell you, I love my job because Trading with MTPredictor and the Market System Analyzer (MSA) from a www.adaptrade.com is MY TRADING TOOL and I'm always on the right side of the river.
Heinz

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Ist I try to explain here, that what we ae doing, we all gather here to share our good and bad experiences, so this is our mutual benefit, to take a lesson from them.
Further I noted that some of my friends have good and some of my friends have bad experiences. First I want to mention here that MTP, Murray math, Sq9, IB range, DMA, ECO...... all these are just tools. So we create discussion to find there optimum use, so we all benefit from them. A tool is useless if we donot know how to use it properly. I have bad experience with moving averages, but now I have different opinion about them, as some of my friends told me on this form how to make them beneficial and convert loosing trades to winning trades. That is one of good job done by this forum.
Same way MTP is very beneficial if some one know how to use it properly. If some one just wait for auto setups, then it is wrong. Actually we have to find some hidden support and resistance levels. These are actual support and resistance levels. These hidden support and resistance levels when get support from Voulume spike, divergance, Murray math line, or any other level, generate a very strog bounce back. I explain here with one example, that say we are in down wave 3, then why we take long trade. that make a sense. This way wave count tells us on biger as well as on smaller level the movement of market. Today I just explain with todays trade. This trade is very safe and pay well with small stop loss. There is no need of overtrading. In a day if we find a single setup that is enough for day. All this only happen if we know harmonic movements of market, by making a judgement of smaller as well as bigger time frames.

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Thanks KJAVED for the presentation of your trading-setup.
looking forward reading more about !

AND HEY GUYS,
this is KJAVED thread and not a MTP - top or flop - heavy-discission-place please !
dont hijack such interessting threads if possible - there are other places to start such discusions.
move with that in an extra thread and stay with trading-setups here
..... please !

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I agree with u Max, this is not a promosional fourm!!!!



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I also use mtp. The latest eod 6 is pretty nice.

I do have some questions on using the nt plugins. Do you turn off all the filters? This generates more signals, but many of the signals are wrong, because the isolated a-b-c might be triggering a long, when it's just a retracement in a downtrend.

When it works, it works good. I bought it so I can have the RR and DP levels on ninja. I'm also an esignal adv get user. So I gotta have a mob.

Also K, how did you get all the letters/numbers on your chart in the first post? I've turned everything on and I can't get all those. Did you put those on by hand?

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Yes I turn off all filters, because I am not considering auto trades, I have my own way of judgement. These auto setups, just provide information about possible wave count ends.
I count all these waves mannullay and keep on my charts. I start from lower time frame and gradually moves towars higher time frame.
It always works good, but you need to build more experties, and adopt the way , what works for you.
Yes, ABC might be triggering a long/short, when it is in long /short trend, but you have to findout what works .
Most of time such trades works better in the direction of long term trend.

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Just to share another experience with this software. I have had it for some time now and have blown hot and cold on it - probably more related to my own mindset than anything else.

In the last few weeks, as I have become more disciplined in my trading and aware of the psych aspects I have set out to use it in a more consistent way - both daytrading futures and eod trading stocks.

I find it provides a relatively clear framework to make decisions, which works for me.

In 14 intraday trades since mid December [with break over Christmas and Nw Year] (admittedly paper trades but executed in what I am happy is as real time a way possible) I have stuck to my rules (mostly) and come out with the following resluts

average R of 0.485
sd R = 1.859
sqn (van tharp - for what is it worth) - 2.63 - which is good.

total R of 6.8

6 losses, 4 wins, 3 break even (excluding break evens this is fairly consistent with the approx 40/60 spit of winners/loosers the developers suggest thsi system experiences)

this is a small sample. it was traded with ninja simulator and does not include commissions and slippage. I factored in spread after the fact in some of the R calculations but not all - so the real results would obviously be less.

I like the way it addresses position sizing and exit strategies as well as entry. It is growing on me more and more.

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Kjaved - I am thinking about tryinging the MTPredictor to augment my trading to get some runners in CL. How is your trading going with it. Anyone else using MTPredictor??

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I looked at it as well, and it's a fine piece of work but the true beauty of it is the risk/reward money management system and how it lays everything out, that is fantastic work. The counting waves.... not so much... lol

Mike

18 months later, I stumbled across this again.

MTPredictor | MTPRT add-ons for NinjaTrader 7

I still have to admit I like the R/R part of MTP. It's been a long time since I demoed the software, but I remember the R/R part even 2+ years ago as being something I really liked.

I understand it seems to set targets based on waves and pre-determined ratios.



$2,000 for a risk/reward system is too much for me to even consider. I guess if you are a wave guy then maybe the $2,000 is more appealing to you, as it is my understanding very few tools accurately account for waves (I believe there is a reason for that....)

I wish more people would focus on building these R/R tools and less on trying to predict where price will go next with some new indicator.

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can MTP run on tick or range like 4 range or 6 range, or just min charts

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I wish more people would focus on building these R/R tools and less on trying to predict where price will go next with some new indicator.

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can MTP run on tick or range like 4 range or 6 range, or just min charts

it runs on whatever bars ninja spits out - so yes

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I wish more people would focus on building these R/R tools and less on trying to predict where price will go next with some new indicator.

Mike

The concept of risk/reward is rooted in the idea of prediction. You can't have one without the other. However, one could use volatility to define a target such as when a wide range bar forms while in a trade. In this case, you can't predict ahead of time if you'll get a wide range bar. If you manage your trades based on momentum or volatility then you don't need to bother with the risk/reward equation.

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18 months later, I stumbled across this again.

MTPredictor | MTPRT add-ons for NinjaTrader 7

I still have to admit I like the R/R part of MTP. It's been a long time since I demoed the software, but I remember the R/R part even 2+ years ago as being something I really liked.

I understand it seems to set targets based on waves and pre-determined ratios.



$2,000 for a risk/reward system is too much for me to even consider. I guess if you are a wave guy then maybe the $2,000 is more appealing to you, as it is my understanding very few tools accurately account for waves (I believe there is a reason for that....)

I wish more people would focus on building these R/R tools and less on trying to predict where price will go next with some new indicator.

Mike

I bot MTP and have yet to find a way to make it profitable. Some others have success they say but not me. I have hundreds of pictures of great trades, so that is a worthless exercise....There is a guy from Indy Warehouse that swears by it and is conducting a 3 day intense workshop, starting next week, free, on the software, obviously in hopes u will buy it. I also like the R/R calcs but only wish they'd enhance the programming to a point where multiple time frame analysis was automatic or assisted in the decisions. I got the impression MTP doesn't want to fully invest in the potential of the software, as certain bugs/difficulties in display are still apparent. This is a key area I need to work harder at seeing if I can make it work for me. Never found an indy yet that would go with it to improve the reliability, and I've tried many. Now that I've invested in it, I'll never stop looking for a way to make it work for me. Any/all advice is appreciated.

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I... Now that I've invested in it, I'll never stop looking for a way to make it work for me. Any/all advice is appreciated.

start by drawing waves on history charts goal is to train your eye to recognize them, next draw the beginning then wait for the target reached goal is to built your believe in your drawing. You can only trade your own believe not someone else's.

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I bot MTP and have yet to find a way to make it profitable. Some others have success they say but not me. I have hundreds of pictures of great trades, so that is a worthless exercise....There is a guy from Indy Warehouse that swears by it and is conducting a 3 day intense workshop, starting next week, free, on the software, obviously in hopes u will buy it. I also like the R/R calcs but only wish they'd enhance the programming to a point where multiple time frame analysis was automatic or assisted in the decisions. I got the impression MTP doesn't want to fully invest in the potential of the software, as certain bugs/difficulties in display are still apparent. This is a key area I need to work harder at seeing if I can make it work for me. Never found an indy yet that would go with it to improve the reliability, and I've tried many. Now that I've invested in it, I'll never stop looking for a way to make it work for me. Any/all advice is appreciated.

the guy on indicator warehouse is Matt Bowen - a few years ago he was the North American marketing guy for mtpredictor before he went to do "other things". Seems he is coming back.

I learned a lot about trading from mtp (positon sizing, r values etc.as well as the elliot wave stuff) which have helped me a lot. Like you, the out of the box system was not for me.

I think ultimately one has to design a trading system of your own. Mine, when it eventually gets there, will have many components from mtp.

Just finished reading Becoming Rich: The Wealth-Building Secrets of the World's Master Investors Buffett, Icahn, Soros by Mark Tier - found it a very thoughtful read on success in trading
Amazon.com: Becoming Rich: The Wealth-Building Secrets of the World's Master Investors Buffett, Icahn, Soros (9780312339869): Mark Tier: Books

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