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I signed up for CTD two weeks ago and did not get access to the videos until 24 June 2013. Technically I am still on week 1, moving onto week 2, but have watched and put the concepts up to week 6 into practice to get a further understanding of what I've been watching. I've gone back and re-watched anything I did not understand but ran into a concept while in a trade.

My trade reports from trading Natural Gas from the last 4, 10 day cycles.









They are decent numbers as it is, but I only knew as much as I did to put those numbers up and felt my development was hitting a ceiling and could not figure out what I needed to do to get past this hurdle.

I've spent the last 15 years to get to the point which I have and did not want to spend another 15 trying to figure out what I did not know.

Turns out after watching week 2, Price Action and Swings, I applied those concepts the next day and I was able to put myself in position to double my average win to +45 ticks per contract. Why I did not get +40 ticks, was because I did not know about the concept of Space as a target and where I had my target was "unreachable" with ease by the market.

Once I got a taste of the concepts and understanding, I wanted to apply them into real time trading to get a further understanding of how to use the concepts and if I am using them incorrectly. The stuff is like crack! Get a taste for it, you want to go back for more! I still go back and re-watch anything I truly do not understand, you are only hurting yourself by not understanding the concepts and knowing how to apply them in real time markets.

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They want you to go slow, understand and comprehend the concepts, that is why they have a quiz at the end of each week and you need a 90% pass grade to move onto the next week. Why I "jumped" ahead was having the experience I have, I was missing something that I did not know about and that not knowing was a true understanding of Price Action and Price Action alone. I thought I knew, but truly did not. Recognizing a price pattern but not knowing the price action behind it, is what I was missing.

I have posted my experience and the concepts I am learning through my journal and is open for all to read and criticize. Don't worry, you won't hurt my feelings by being critical. No one is more critical than myself on myself.

Everything stated on the intro page and video is true. You will learn the foundation concepts and apply them immediately to your current trading ideas and plan and you will even see the inconsistencies in your current plan. I

Isn't our goal to be consistent so we can do this for a living?

This is by far the best money I've spent on my trading education as I've pissed away alot of money to get to this point. Buying indicators is the easy way out, selling indicators is easy money for the vendors. Teaching someone to understand what it means to be a trader is not easy at all nor it is an easy sell, but everyone wants the results to be easy. Buy when this indicator says this, sell when it says that.

To name a few of where I've spent my money thinking they could help was:

Trade the Markets (I've paid Hubert to learn how to trade gold)

Order Flow Edge (the dude who runs the room way too sensitive, I made a comment about what he was doing, someone else was doing the same thing)

Rockwell Trading (complete scam!)

Trade Bond Futures (Jack's a really nice guy, love him to death, but would not divulge his secrets of how he gets his levels) I have a good idea of how he does it, that's week 7 of the Course, in my opinion.

Heck I'll even admit to buying Forex Made Easy.

The other course I've taken is Ray Burchett's Intuitive Development for Traders (IDT) Program, which is also offered through TSTU, but I was introduced to Ray through Infinity when they held a webinar, which is how I was lead to TST.

The best thing to ever happen to me was signing up to TST, thinking I could pass a combine based on the knowledge I had at the time. Boy was I wrong.

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I failed my last Combine cause I was trading the NQ when my mind was already set on switching to the NG. This was the roll over Combine.

TST is the best thing to ever happen to me for my development!

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My latest 10 day cycle Trade Report. The first 3 days of the cycle, I was still trading with my own knowledge and tried to trade the same way with a 2 lot to see it the results would be Combine passable to get funded.

I'm still figuring out how to put the concepts together from a couple of their strategies from the Junior level material.

So far, I'm really liking the Piercing Trend Line trade.


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26 June 2013 was the first trade applying concepts I've learned from CTD. Still not knowing fully how to put the concepts together to make them work.

Notice the average hold times from here on in compared to previous Trade Reports.

What tipped me off I was not understanding the concepts are the results and back to back to back losing days. So I manned up and re-watched week 2 and 3's lectures.

15 July 2013 was the concepts being put to use with a nice positive result. Its by far my largest winning single trade since the switch to NG.

So far my experience is if you understand the concepts that help with the probability of the trade, you'll know which trades to pass on if those high probability concepts are not present.


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Has anyone else taken the CTD course? This is the only thread or review that I've found.

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 Ironman9973 
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How much does it cost?

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I still don't understand the process. The website has no useful info on the process, and the vendor thread is just too large and no systematic posting of how it goes. I would really like to know spelled out abc, the costs, etc.

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How much does it cost?

I watched their video on Trader Kingdom. I think the cost is $1,495 (going from memory).

https://traderkingdom.com/trading-psychology-archived-webinars/5217-why-traders-fail-observations-from-the-front-lines

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Is anybody trading their methodology live allready? Because I bought the course. And I am interrested if somebody has sucsess in live trading with the approach.

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Is anybody trading their methodology live allready? Because I bought the course. And I am interrested if somebody has sucsess in live trading with the approach.

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I have purch course as well.
Still in Freshman section.
How I've benefited thus far is incorporate Candlestick math and concept of
space in my trading setups.
Very good elements keeping me in a slow sideways trade and a way to determine
profit targets using price action.

Will be starting $30k TopStep combine next week and journaling my progress:



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I am in the masters class. But I am still struggling to put the material into practice.

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I am in the masters class. But I am still struggling to put the material into practice.

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That's exactly my thoughts.
This way I found an entry system to work with and incorporate some key aspects of the CTD program into my
trading setups, like Candle stick math calculation and the concept of space to trade into.

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I am in the masters class. But I am still struggling to put the material into practice.

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I took Iaccino's & Arnold's boot camp course a few years ago when he was running a website called Trader Instinct (gone now). The cost was $500 and lasted about 8 weeks. They taught a well defined system of trend lines, space, complex space, rotation zones, S/R, H & S patterns, candle stick math, trade management, etc. They were trading 4 hour forex charts. Every day they had a pre-market webinar where they went over potential trades for the day (this was a different, paid service in addition to the boot camp). After looking at a half dozen or so pairs, sometimes there wouldn't be any setups, sometimes one or two. Rarely more than that.

My interest was CL on a 5 min chart, and this methodology didn't work too well with that. You can go days without a setup. I did like them and their methods, but the style didn't suit me. Don't know if the stuff I got from them is the same as what's being taught now.

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This sounds very similar to what I have learned in the course. The concept of Trade Trendlines, Space, Candlestick math, Rotation Zone, Double Tops and Bottoms, Head and Shoulders Pattern, etc.

I have the same problem with finding setups. I think the setups are very rare.

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Ok, so here's my review of the CTD course from someone who has completed it recently. I think it boils down to where you are in your trading right now. If you are a complete novice and are just starting on your trading path then I think this is a good starter course for you. What is key in my opinion is that you don't stop learning after completing the course. i.e. if some aspects of the strategies they cover resonates with you, study it further and perhaps seek out other traders with similar methods who have real money on the line and who are willing to teach you their methodology. This is very tough though because most of the real traders who make their money from trading do not see it as profitable to be out there selling their stuff and running trader education companies. They make boatloads more from their trading and just don't have the time to deal with the B.S. of running such companies.

However, I digress.

Ont he other hand, if you are a trader with a few years experience under your belt then unless you gravitate towards trendline trades then this course is not for you. Although they cover a whole bunch of different methods, their bread and butter is trendline trades. I for one have never found success in trendline trading and this course was no different in showing me otherwise.

Bob and Mike who run the course are very transparent and genuine and I truly appreciated that about them. I also loved Bob's candor when it came to expressing himself. However, a question I would have loved to ask each of them was whether they make their living purely from their trading or not. I mean, Bob has a lot of T.V. engagements which must bring in a nice sum of money and I'm sure they each have other business interests along the side. So, one cannot know for certain if these guys are really making consistent money that they can support their families with on their trading income. Somehow, I doubt it but I would love to be proven wrong.

To conclude, I would say, if you are new to trading then this is a good foundational course to learn some basics along with some more advanced stuff even though they hardly trade their more advanced topics themselves. However, don't think that you're going to make real money from their system and can quit your job in 6 months or a year for that matter. You will have to have a very large account to be able to get anywhere close to that in my opinion. If you're trading a small account then this course is definitely NOT for you. They trade off of 60 min and above charts with huge stops which can decimate a small account in no time. Learn their system, pick the areas that you like and which suit your personality and then make it your own by going out there and studying other people's methods. You will never ever find what will work best for you from a single educator in my humble opinion.

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I also finished the course and I totally agree with what you said about Bob and Mike and the course.

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is the stuff they are selling real designed to put you in the prop trading fast tract. or are they trying to just sell trader stuff like most other vendors. milking there leads for as much as they can. to me it seems unreal. so what if you pass and jump through all the hoops. they only put 1500.00 at real risk. and you have to pay for your own data. it would take 200 years to build the account to make 100,000 a year... or am i missing some thing

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is there any top step traders that have completed there training and combine were green over a year and now live in Saint Kits ...please share with us the wonderful thrill ride

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