Thank you for the heads up. Not sure if any admin at Jigsaw or Peter can confirm which data vendor provides accurate data for demo accounts?

Thank you

There is no charting. Not in the conventional sense. There’s the auction vista, which is a heat map showing areas of high liquidity, which tend to act as s/r areas.

I use jigsaw with ninja .. so I can’t comment on the other platforms you’ve mentioned. Basically, jigsaw uses a simple bridge to get the data out of ninja, which is obviously from your data connection.

I wouldn’t say charts are not important - I use charts alongside the order flow. If you check out Axia futures YT channel, you will see multiple examples of how they find areas of interest on a chart and watch the DOM at those areas to help determine direction.

You would think they would know who to recommend at their product support. I tried CQG and the Ninjatrader bridge that is supposed to work with JS and which is NOT a demo data account. Their attitude was like, "Meh... try another one." So, I tried another DOM instead

Thank you for the heads up. Not sure if any admin at Jigsaw or Peter can confirm which data vendor provides accurate data for demo accounts?

Thank you

One of the DOM columns (pulls and stacks, iirc) kept posting results that I knew couldn't be true. When I reached out to support, they claimed that it was my data provider's fault so I tried a second one. Same result. Reached out to support again and they just said that some data provider's demo accounts don't provide all the data.

In my opinion, if they know some data demo accounts don't work they would tell you which one does work so you can fully test their product.

I also didn't think it provided much configurability beyond colors.... and it was expensive. $500 plus $50/month? It wasn't worth it to me.

I'm trying Sierra Chart right now but since I can't open an account through them, I have to pay pro fees on data to make their DOM work which isn't desirable. I'll probably drop that and just use the one that comes with Ninjatrader.

HI Peter,

I saw your recent article on trade management, I thought it was absolutely brilliant, a clear-cut case why we need to look at order flow.

I am a priced-based trader and looking to see if order flow will help me to see if my trade locations will hold or not.

I don't see you have a demo trial. Could you help me with a trial for few weeks?

I also see you have a British accent and I am a Brit too. Amazing how a Brit has created the best order flow software and selling it to the yanks :

It's like selling sand to the Arabs. Well done, Peter, amazing foresight you have.

Best regards

I don't know the circumstances of your "Sim stop out". I don't understand what the problem is. But I'll bet it was justified. Sim is still a simulator. I had one last week where I had a 40 cent profit in oil when I clicked sell at market and got hit with a 10 cent loss. When I examined it closely, I saw that there were almost no orders on the book immediately following my exit so the simulator marked the bar that I exited with a price that didn't even paint on the chart until 40 seconds later.

As far as DOMs, I have only tried NT, Jigsaw and Sierra Chart. I guess I like Sierra Chart the best, but it could be better. JS had potential, but not all features would work and product support would only tell me that it was probably due to my data feed. But I tried 2 and the NT bridge. They offered no solution except to try another data feed so I gave up. You would think they would provide all the info to test their product thoroughly. Sierra Chart is way more configurable than JS and has more features to boot. But, they do not play with NT at all, from what I've been told by NT, knowing that they might lose my account if I couldn't get them to work together. So, if you want to use Sierra Chart, you have to have an account elsewhere or pay SC for another data feed at pro prices. Plus, they're staff isn't nearly as professional as NT and have been known to push conspiracy theories on the forum, if that's an issue for you.

@matthew28: Thanks Matthew, I did email Jigsaw support with those questions also. I await a reply. I really would like a CD histogram in a lower panel. NT8 does that along with both BID ASK & UpDown Tick trade volume Delta Type CDs I've learned. Using SMA 1 period study of study, I can get my line style UpDown Tick CD in the same panel as the Bid/Ask histogram. Always on the quest for the holy grail indo!! <g> It would be nice if Ninja would provide a means for a test drive before plucking down $1099 to anti-up and sit at the table with a Lifetime License for Order Flow+ to get CD though; especially on a SIM basis. I'm still SIM trading to work out my ATM & Stop strategies. After last week's volatility good thing for that........still need some tweeking; nothing worse than selling the top and getting stopped out on a 50 tick retracement trailing offset just before being right for 1000 YM ticks!!!

Regards/ scapling disease is not terminal
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The manual is also there but would love to hear specifically where you hit a wall.

I didn't "hit a wall." Stacks and pulls were not showing up on my install. As in often the cells were blank. During RTH. MES, NOT Eurex or interest products. I most certainly felt dismissed then and even now. Your tech support DID blame it on two different feeds, one demo, the other NT. Same behavior on both. All other data was fine. I did not have a positive experience with the trial.

I gave my honest opinion about my experience. I really have no interest in revisiting it. I reached out to your tech support a couple times. THAT was the time to address the problems. I've moved on. Good luck to you.