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Jigsaw Trading's Peter Davies - Ask Me Anything (AMA)

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 trymph 
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@matthew28: Thanks Matthew, I did email Jigsaw support with those questions also. I await a reply. I really would like a CD histogram in a lower panel. NT8 does that along with both BID ASK & UpDown Tick trade volume Delta Type CDs I've learned. Using SMA 1 period study of study, I can get my line style UpDown Tick CD in the same panel as the Bid/Ask histogram. Always on the quest for the holy grail indo!! <g> It would be nice if Ninja would provide a means for a test drive before plucking down $1099 to anti-up and sit at the table with a Lifetime License for Order Flow+ to get CD though; especially on a SIM basis. I'm still SIM trading to work out my ATM & Stop strategies. After last week's volatility good thing for that........still need some tweeking; nothing worse than selling the top and getting stopped out on a 50 tick retracement trailing offset just before being right for 1000 YM ticks!!!

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@matthew28: Thanks Matthew, I did email Jigsaw support with those questions also. I await a reply. I really would like a CD histogram in a lower panel. NT8 does that along with both BID ASK & UpDown Tick trade volume Delta Type CDs I've learned. Using SMA 1 period study of study, I can get my line style UpDown Tick CD in the same panel as the Bid/Ask histogram. Always on the quest for the holy grail indo!! <g> It would be nice if Ninja would provide a means for a test drive before plucking down $1099 to anti-up and sit at the table with a Lifetime License for Order Flow+ to get CD though; especially on a SIM basis. I'm still SIM trading to work out my ATM & Stop strategies. After last week's volatility good thing for that........still need some tweeking; nothing worse than selling the top and getting stopped out on a 50 tick retracement trailing offset just before being right for 1000 YM ticks!!!

Regards/ scapling disease is not terminal
Trymph

The $1099 is a much better bargain than any of their other licenses even without the Order Flow features. That's only $400 more than than 1 year license! Or, on 80 YM ticks which should be a piece of cake if you can do 1000 in a single trade. Besides, for a scalper, the discount on trades it will pay for itself in no time.

I use NT CD a lot. I even built my own indicators around it. I find their Dynamic DOM to be unusable, but the CD stuff is great.

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I find their Dynamic DOM to be unusable, but the CD stuff is great.

Thanks for the reply......for the record I got SIM stopped out on the trailing offset but just trying to make a point for SIM tweeking in a historically volatile stress test market.

But tell tell tell details.......what DOM do you like?

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It would be nice if Ninja would provide a means for a test drive before plucking down $1099 to anti-up and sit at the table with a Lifetime License for Order Flow+ to get CD though; especially on a SIM basis.

I imagine for Ninjatrader they don't want people just signing up with new email addresses every couple of weeks for sim accounts and having access to the orderflow tools for free charting, then use their own broker for transactions.
I presume Ninjatrader don't provide a money back guarantee like Jigsaw do with their, buy it, try it, and get a refund if you don't like it.

If you do decide to buy the Ninjatrader licence I would suggest joining futures.io as an Elite Member first. It costs $100 but the Elite Discounts include a member discount of $100 off Ninjatrader. There is also a discount on the Jigsaw platform.

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Thanks for the reply......for the record I got SIM stopped out on the trailing offset but just trying to make a point for SIM tweeking in a historically volatile stress test market.

But tell tell tell details.......what DOM do you like?

Regards
Trymph

I don't know the circumstances of your "Sim stop out". I don't understand what the problem is. But I'll bet it was justified. Sim is still a simulator. I had one last week where I had a 40 cent profit in oil when I clicked sell at market and got hit with a 10 cent loss. When I examined it closely, I saw that there were almost no orders on the book immediately following my exit so the simulator marked the bar that I exited with a price that didn't even paint on the chart until 40 seconds later.

As far as DOMs, I have only tried NT, Jigsaw and Sierra Chart. I guess I like Sierra Chart the best, but it could be better. JS had potential, but not all features would work and product support would only tell me that it was probably due to my data feed. But I tried 2 and the NT bridge. They offered no solution except to try another data feed so I gave up. You would think they would provide all the info to test their product thoroughly. Sierra Chart is way more configurable than JS and has more features to boot. But, they do not play with NT at all, from what I've been told by NT, knowing that they might lose my account if I couldn't get them to work together. So, if you want to use Sierra Chart, you have to have an account elsewhere or pay SC for another data feed at pro prices. Plus, they're staff isn't nearly as professional as NT and have been known to push conspiracy theories on the forum, if that's an issue for you.

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HI Peter,

I saw your recent article on trade management, I thought it was absolutely brilliant, a clear-cut case why we need to look at order flow.

I am a priced-based trader and looking to see if order flow will help me to see if my trade locations will hold or not.

I don't see you have a demo trial. Could you help me with a trial for few weeks?

I also see you have a British accent and I am a Brit too. Amazing how a Brit has created the best order flow software and selling it to the yanks :

It's like selling sand to the Arabs. Well done, Peter, amazing foresight you have.

Best regards

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HI Peter,

I saw your recent article on trade management, I thought it was absolutely brilliant, a clear-cut case why we need to look at order flow.

I am a priced-based trader and looking to see if order flow will help me to see if my trade locations will hold or not.

I don't see you have a demo trial. Could you help me with a trial for few weeks?

I also see you have a British accent and I am a Brit too. Amazing how a Brit has created the best order flow software and selling it to the yanks :

It's like selling sand to the Arabs. Well done, Peter, amazing foresight you have.

Best regards

They have a demo. You need to actually buy it and then they give you a two week money back guarantee. I just bought it a month or two ago, didn't like it, and they refunded my money, no questions asked and no hassle. Took them about a week for the refund to hit my card, but they kept up their end of the bargain.

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They have a demo. You need to actually buy it and then they give you a two week money back guarantee. I just bought it a month or two ago, didn't like it, and they refunded my money, no questions asked and no hassle. Took them about a week for the refund to hit my card, but they kept up their end of the bargain.

HI Chipwitch,

Thank you for your feedback, really appreciate it.

Would you mind me asking the reason for not liking it and if you have found a better alternative that does the job better?

Thank you

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HI Chipwitch,

Thank you for your feedback, really appreciate it.

Would you mind me asking the reason for not liking it and if you have found a better alternative that does the job better?

Thank you

One of the DOM columns (pulls and stacks, iirc) kept posting results that I knew couldn't be true. When I reached out to support, they claimed that it was my data provider's fault so I tried a second one. Same result. Reached out to support again and they just said that some data provider's demo accounts don't provide all the data.

In my opinion, if they know some data demo accounts don't work they would tell you which one does work so you can fully test their product.

I also didn't think it provided much configurability beyond colors.... and it was expensive. $500 plus $50/month? It wasn't worth it to me.

I'm trying Sierra Chart right now but since I can't open an account through them, I have to pay pro fees on data to make their DOM work which isn't desirable. I'll probably drop that and just use the one that comes with Ninjatrader.

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One of the DOM columns (pulls and stacks, iirc) kept posting results that I knew couldn't be true. When I reached out to support, they claimed that it was my data provider's fault so I tried a second one. Same result. Reached out to support again and they just said that some data provider's demo accounts don't provide all the data.

In my opinion, if they know some data demo accounts don't work they would tell you which one does work so you can fully test their product.

I also didn't think it provided much configurability beyond colors.... and it was expensive. $500 plus $50/month? It wasn't worth it to me.

I'm trying Sierra Chart right now but since I can't open an account through them, I have to pay pro fees on data to make their DOM work which isn't desirable. I'll probably drop that and just use the one that comes with Ninjatrader.

Thank you for the heads up. Not sure if any admin at Jigsaw or Peter can confirm which data vendor provides accurate data for demo accounts?

Thank you

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