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Jigsaw Trading's Peter Davies - Ask Me Anything (AMA)

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Thanks for getting back Pete and supporting my license from a very long time ago. MUCH APPRECIATED Looking forward to looking at the updated tools you have. Thanks again

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Is there actual charting with the Jigsaw platform or do you have to run Jigsaw alongside another trading platform to do charting as well?

I have looked through the Jigsaw website and I see that there is "integration" with NT, Multicharts.Net and I've found references to integration with Metatrader 5 but no where do I actually see how this integration really works. I've looked at some of the videos on the Product Manual - Connection manager section where there are some short videos but it seems like you are basically running whatever your favorite charting platform is and separately running Jigsaw.

Clearly either I'm not understanding something or charting isn't really that important when trading order flow. And clearly I am not an order flow trader but I am very curious about it.

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Is there actual charting with the Jigsaw platform or do you have to run Jigsaw alongside another trading platform to do charting as well?

I have looked through the Jigsaw website and I see that there is "integration" with NT, Multicharts.Net and I've found references to integration with Metatrader 5 but no where do I actually see how this integration really works. I've looked at some of the videos on the Product Manual - Connection manager section where there are some short videos but it seems like you are basically running whatever your favorite charting platform is and separately running Jigsaw.

Clearly either I'm not understanding something or charting isn't really that important when trading order flow. And clearly I am not an order flow trader but I am very curious about it.

Thank you.

There is no charting. Not in the conventional sense. There’s the auction vista, which is a heat map showing areas of high liquidity, which tend to act as s/r areas.

I use jigsaw with ninja .. so I can’t comment on the other platforms you’ve mentioned. Basically, jigsaw uses a simple bridge to get the data out of ninja, which is obviously from your data connection.

I wouldn’t say charts are not important - I use charts alongside the order flow. If you check out Axia futures YT channel, you will see multiple examples of how they find areas of interest on a chart and watch the DOM at those areas to help determine direction.

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There is no charting. Not in the conventional sense. There’s the auction vista, which is a heat map showing areas of high liquidity, which tend to act as s/r areas.

I use jigsaw with ninja .. so I can’t comment on the other platforms you’ve mentioned. Basically, jigsaw uses a simple bridge to get the data out of ninja, which is obviously from your data connection.

I wouldn’t say charts are not important - I use charts alongside the order flow. If you check out Axia futures YT channel, you will see multiple examples of how they find areas of interest on a chart and watch the DOM at those areas to help determine direction.

Much appreciated! I'll take a look.

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Any issues running the Jigsaw bridge with NT? Any lag in data?

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Any issues running the Jigsaw bridge with NT? Any lag in data?

The Ninjatrader data bridge was the first one Jigsaw created and that helped with the implementation of the other platform bridges, such as for Tradovate. I don't use Ninjatrader anymore but when I have the data bridge to daytradr worked well and without problem for me.

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Any issues running the Jigsaw bridge with NT? Any lag in data?

There shouldn't be.

With this technology stack (C# .NET), it's event driven. Ninja gets data inbound and then fires events. Jigsaw uses the same events that the Ninja UI does. That means if you video it and play back frame-by-frame, sometimes they will update first, sometimes we will.

We throttle differently from Ninja. So peak times are handled differently. If the market goes crazy, we hold back updates so that we keep up to date but don't thrash the UI. We use the human eyeball as a guide. No point updating the UI more than the human eye can see.

We are also heavily muti-threaded, so data inbound, data processing, UI is all on different threads - even different instrument data coming on different threads.

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Is there actual charting with the Jigsaw platform or do you have to run Jigsaw alongside another trading platform to do charting as well?

I have looked through the Jigsaw website and I see that there is "integration" with NT, Multicharts.Net and I've found references to integration with Metatrader 5 but no where do I actually see how this integration really works. I've looked at some of the videos on the Product Manual - Connection manager section where there are some short videos but it seems like you are basically running whatever your favorite charting platform is and separately running Jigsaw.

Clearly either I'm not understanding something or charting isn't really that important when trading order flow. And clearly I am not an order flow trader but I am very curious about it.

Thank you.

Charting has been added - we had to go back and re-engineer a lot for performance reasons, inlcuding bypassing a lot of code in the charting add-on we based it on.

QA has finished access to the new GFAPI today (GAIN API Changes next month) and we just added 1 more QA, they start on charting tomorrow. I would expect a beta within the month.

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While I'm here, I'll answer a few from other threads:


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Is Jigsaw able to pull data out of ThinkOrSwim Similar to Interactive Brokers Traders Workstation for full market depth level 2 for NASDAQ stocks?

TWS for now, TDA started but stalled - basically, we got access to the API then....
- we need a SIM account to get running (with API Access)
- you can't get that unless you have an account
- we can't get an account applying from either country I have proof of address from (Thailand, UK)

Waiting for TDA Singapore, Linked in begging letters & begging the API people - but no luck yet. Trying to twist some arms to get a US citizen to open an account and give us SIM access.

PITA.

TWS works - it collates all the depth you have access to for stocks - the next question is "which depth depth do I need access to" - and I can't get a straight answer from IB.



So that's what I am using. Maybe overkill but it's all relative.

Penny stocks don't quite work right but are in a release later this week/early next.

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Do you have a mechanism in place to refresh and then fill in the "missing" data that was dropped for whatever reason? Backfilling it after market close for example.

Speaking of data, getting off topic, do you have data servers to pull historical data from on your side, or is there no need -- simply using NT's existing infrastructure?

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There shouldn't be.

With this technology stack (C# .NET), it's event driven. Ninja gets data inbound and then fires events. Jigsaw uses the same events that the Ninja UI does. That means if you video it and play back frame-by-frame, sometimes they will update first, sometimes we will.

We throttle differently from Ninja. So peak times are handled differently. If the market goes crazy, we hold back updates so that we keep up to date but don't thrash the UI. We use the human eyeball as a guide. No point updating the UI more than the human eye can see.

We are also heavily muti-threaded, so data inbound, data processing, UI is all on different threads - even different instrument data coming on different threads.

BUT - it's complex software, so if anyone sees anything - we'll look at it.

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