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@DionysusToast i think Jigsaw got me kind of 1st started into OF...or atleast introduced me to the term

Think have learnt a few stuff in OF from JS and another mentor in my trading life... & many things yet to learn. Would love your comments on the below from a JS standpoint.

as a end user and interested in orderflow....am looking for few things from developers of Ninja and OF tools:-

1. ability to move away from ninja backend licensing. by that i mean some method of giving the end user locked code. I know this is possible on Tradestation...not sure why it is not being followed on Ninja. This means paying much more if required...2-5times more or multiples of the same....than usual licensing cost. Whatever developer thinks is fair. For updates...willing to pay extra per update.

2. Good customization tools.... into quotes/traded volume/ delta's/ intensity of quotes/trades...... i think this is a tremendous value....and maybe you have a specific version where you can charge more. however again would love to be away from the generic licensing means again willing to pay much more.

3. ability to log events....or ability to dump running logs and or logs per trigger points.

lol...dont shoot me since above is just my OF needs...hope did not ask for the moon. but will be a supporter of JS and you either ways.

cheers and good stuff...looking fwd to what is totalview....

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@DionysusToast i think Jigsaw got me kind of 1st started into OF...or atleast introduced me to the term

Think have learnt a few stuff in OF from JS and another mentor in my trading life... & many things yet to learn. Would love your comments on the below from a JS standpoint.

as a end user and interested in orderflow....am looking for few things from developers of Ninja and OF tools:-

1. ability to move away from ninja backend licensing. by that i mean some method of giving the end user locked code. I know this is possible on Tradestation...not sure why it is not being followed on Ninja. This means paying much more if required...2-5times more or multiples of the same....than usual licensing cost. Whatever developer thinks is fair. For updates...willing to pay extra per update.

2. Good customization tools.... into quotes/traded volume/ delta's/ intensity of quotes/trades...... i think this is a tremendous value....and maybe you have a specific version where you can charge more. however again would love to be away from the generic licensing means again willing to pay much more.

3. ability to log events....or ability to dump running logs and or logs per trigger points.

lol...dont shoot me since above is just my OF needs...hope did not ask for the moon. but will be a supporter of JS and you either ways.

cheers and good stuff...looking fwd to what is totalview....

added:- might as well also post a snapshot of my previous requests.
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1 - I'm not sure what you mean by moving away from Ninja backend licensing. We do not use Ninja licensing, we have our own licensing system. As for giving the end user locked code - if you mean our source code, that won't happen as we'd be giving it to our competitors too. We will build APIs though.

2 - With APIs you would be able to build more tools but for fully integrated features, we really need to build them into the core product. I know that slows down delivery of features - but we are doing a lot of backend work right now that is slowing down delivery of front end features - that wont last forever.

3 - Agreed & this is coming.

Cheers

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1 - I'm not sure what you mean by moving away from Ninja backend licensing. We do not use Ninja licensing, we have our own licensing system. As for giving the end user locked code - if you mean our source code, that won't happen as we'd be giving it to our competitors too. We will build APIs though.

2 - With APIs you would be able to build more tools but for fully integrated features, we really need to build them into the core product. I know that slows down delivery of features - but we are doing a lot of backend work right now that is slowing down delivery of front end features - that wont last forever.

3 - Agreed & this is coming.

Cheers

Pete

Hi thnx Pete. For 1 and 2 I did not mean giving source code. Rather locked code but which does not need authentication from any servers. I hope you take this the right way. My concern stems from having used tradestation products one which was on a subscription. Vendor closed shop. Subscription and stuff stops immediately.

Likewise on ninja for whatever reason if vendor closes shop we won't be able to activate license for the ninja product. In this jigsaw. Lol I know you not closing...but at the same time there is lot of effort on our part. Is there a way of dealing with this. Hence was checking instead of using backend servers can license key reside on user station via some locking mechanism.

Thnx.amd cheers

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Hi thnx Pete. For 1 and 2 I did not mean giving source code. Rather locked code but which does not need authentication from any servers. I hope you take this the right way. My concern stems from having used tradestation products one which was on a subscription. Vendor closed shop. Subscription and stuff stops immediately.

Likewise on ninja for whatever reason if vendor closes shop we won't be able to activate license for the ninja product. In this jigsaw. Lol I know you not closing...but at the same time there is lot of effort on our part. Is there a way of dealing with this. Hence was checking instead of using backend servers can license key reside on user station via some locking mechanism.

Thnx.amd cheers

Well - if Jigsaw ever dies, we'll just release source on the way out anyway.

As it is - releasing an unlocked product would be a pirates wet dream, sadly.

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Well - if Jigsaw ever dies, we'll just release source on the way out anyway.

As it is - releasing an unlocked product would be a pirates wet dream, sadly.

Yupp you know this better Pete. Perhaps in ninja only way is to use the servers to keep code secure.

Lol...ok let's move on. Will look forward to the newer releases.

Cheers n good luck

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Guess this was a question that I should have placed here for you. However, I thought others may want to know what to do in such cases as well. My apologies if it was misplaced.


Although I previously registered, I discovered that I can no longer attend. I know that Elite members generally can replay the webinar but what of the discounts? Can I still take advantage of saving $100 from the Ninja License if I should decide to do so? For how long will the offer last?

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1 - I'm not sure what you mean by moving away from Ninja backend licensing. We do not use Ninja licensing, we have our own licensing system. As for giving the end user locked code - if you mean our source code, that won't happen as we'd be giving it to our competitors too. We will build APIs though.

2 - With APIs you would be able to build more tools but for fully integrated features, we really need to build them into the core product. I know that slows down delivery of features - but we are doing a lot of backend work right now that is slowing down delivery of front end features - that wont last forever.

3 - Agreed & this is coming.

Cheers

Pete

Hi Pete @DionysusToast..... on the 3.

a. Can you please look into ability to dump Reconstructed Tape based on our filter or Block Sizes into Excel.
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b. Perhaps also ability to dump full DOM into Excel.
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The above will be a big help to tape readers. Well atleast to me
Plllssss say the above is coming soon

cheers and best

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I just watched your Auction Vista webinar and I want to thank you for what was a fascinating and informative look at the reality of what is going on in the market versus the hype. I will confess that I don't currently use jigsaw products, because I simply have been unable to stare at a morass of fast changing numbers and make anything out of it. However, the AuctionVista product is a beautiful thing to see that nicely balances limit and marker order info and provides a great way to ease somebody into watching all the numbers in the DOM.

With respect to the algo hype, it is interesting how the same pattern occurs over and over when people don't understand something. Their view becomes driven by simplistic conspiracy theories. This is ultimately a function of human nature. In politics, it manifests in a belief that a secret cabal of elites all work together to rule the world and control all outcomes, when in fact, the outcome is generally a function of many variables that no single entity controls, including chance. With respect to the market, the simplistic explanation is the market is ruled by a conspiracy of super algos who push and pull price exactly where they want it to go, when in fact, price movement is ultimately determined by the sum of all buying and selling, over which no single entity has total control, and which is subject to influence by external and random factors.

Looking forward to your next webinar! Keep up the good work!

p.s. -- shout out to @tturner86 for keeping those webinars coming...Thanks!

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Hi Pete @DionysusToast..... on the 3.

a. Can you please look into ability to dump Reconstructed Tape based on our filter or Block Sizes into Excel.
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b. Perhaps also ability to dump full DOM into Excel.
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The above will be a big help to tape readers. Well atleast to me
Plllssss say the above is coming soon

cheers and best

That is in the plan - but not sure on the release date right now.

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Jigsaw's latest beta release.....


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