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Whenever I read about bullshit trading educators like this I just always think of the genius of P.T Barnum that there is a sucker born every minute. We almost need to amend that statement to the more information people have available the bigger suckers they are.

I know I could crush all these con artist with my own fake course. I could easily give out the prettiest but useless data visualizations from seaborn and back it up with jargon all the way from old Seth Klarman and Toby Crabel books to Marcos Lopez De Prado.

Morals have nothing to do with it. If you are dumb enough to pay me for a fake course I will gladly take your money.

The reason I will never do this though is because it is boring. Anyone smart enough to beat the markets is not hurting enough to waste their time bullshitting a bunch of newbs out of their hard earned money.

You end up with this massive selection bias that the only people in the retail trading education business are psychos who want to be worshiped like a guru and who can't do anything else.

If you think they are doing it because they just LOVE to educate people, please refer back to P.T Barnum .


Oh the stories I could weave about this cubehelix plot of random data. It can be all yours for only $99.95!
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Whenever I read about bullshit trading educators like this I just always think of the genius of P.T Barnum that there is a sucker born every minute. We almost need to amend that statement to the more information people have available the bigger suckers they are.

I know I could crush all these con artist with my own fake course. I could easily give out the prettiest but useless data visualizations from seaborn and back it up with jargon all the way from old Seth Klarman and Toby Crabel books to Marcos Lopez De Prado.

Morals have nothing to do with it. If you are dumb enough to pay me for a fake course I will gladly take your money.

The reason I will never do this though is because it is boring. Anyone smart enough to beat the markets is not hurting enough to waste their time bullshitting a bunch of newbs out of their hard earned money.

You end up with this massive selection bias that the only people in the retail trading education business are psychos who want to be worshiped like a guru and who can't do anything else.

If you think they are doing it because they just LOVE to educate people, please refer back to P.T Barnum .


Oh the stories I could weave about this cubehelix plot of random data. It can be all yours for only $99.95!
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Yikes! This guy needs a pill.

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Yikes! This guy needs a pill.

He needs more than a pill.. Notice the haughty, elitist intonations in his remarks. He states this is BS, then quotes PT Barnum as if PT is a credible source. PT is a credible source only for scam artists which John Grady is not. I would challenge this guy to put up or shut up. Provide us with a real time, real money week of trading. Do this in real time, narrate the setup as it happens, pull the trigger, (Real money, not some bullshit SIM) manage the trade, exit the position and lets see if his results stand up to his pompous little rant.

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Yes, JG's material may be basic and introductory, but thats exactly what its meant to be, basic and introductory. How many times in any business, regardless of skill level somebody goes "back to the basics" and learns something valuable? This occurs because nuance gets by a noob until he/she has some realtime experience to appreciate the value of the material presented by a legit trader like John Grady. John not only trades his money real time with his students, he subjects himself to to the possibility of disgrace and humiliation if he fails to make money in front of his students. Trading profitably can be a monumental challenge in the privacy of ones own real time results . Its entirely another experience trading in front of your students and having the pressure of performing profitably with eyes watching you. Most would crumble with that scrutiny simply because of the additional pressure of having to perform in front of people that paid you a lot of money and expect results. That would apply to legit traders that actually make money privately on their own. They may not be able to make money with the additional pressure of others watching, regardless if they can legitimately make money on their own without an audience.


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@jkarten

Well said.
I think most people would be happy to buy a basic course that will explain what a previous post suggested it could otherwise take a year of your own time to mostly figure out. A 60 page PDF ebook and a couple of hours of videos for less than $90 seems like a good deal to me. I value a year of my time at more than that.
Also although it is the basic/beginner/introductory course I for one found it covered a lot of concepts that were unfamiliar to me and I imagine it would for anybody that hasn't already had DOM training.


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Well since this thread has been bumped up I realized that I've never made a post. So I figure now is a good time. I only took the beginner's course, and then started watching the DOM every morning. I started recording my trading sessions because of a journal contest here at Futures.io. I found it useful to be able to look back at my trades, and eventually started livestreaming it on the YouTube channel SpeculatorSeth.

Now I don't consider myself an amazing trader. It took me a good 9 months before I felt like I was really seeing the order flow for what it was instead of what I wanted to see. I've been at it about 3.5 years, and only now do I feel like I'm getting a feel for what the day will be. If we're active and trending I'm really happy with my trades. When it gets slow and choppy I do awful. I'm doing pretty well the past 6 months, but I did really well at this time last year only to blow it all and have a terrible losing streak from April - Sept. I have a live account, but I still spend most of my time on sim. I only switch to live when I'm confident the action will be good for me. It's taken me a long time to understand the different times of year, and how to adjust my trading. Based on what I'm told it's quite common for it to take several years for traders to become consistent because of these kinds of market changes. Perhaps I would have developed faster if I had taken the webinar, but I enjoy grinding it out.

Putting yourself out there on stream is hard, and I'm always worried about if I'm doing John Grady's trading method justice. I've met a lot of great traders, or at least traders that I think are better at this than myself. They show me broker statements, and give me a basic overview of how they like to trade. Through all the strategies I've seen I've never come across a profitable trader that wasn't using volume analysis in some form or another. If it wasn't the DOM, they were using volume bar charts or cumulative delta. It's just that essential. I know many people that have become successful traders starting with NoBS, and I would never recommend anything else.

Every once and a while naysayers will show up. I think such naysayers miss why this course is different. He's not selling you a system. He's teaching a skill. He tells you what to look for, and how to develop that skill. Sure the beginner course lists out entries, but then he immediately walks you through the counter scenario when that signal means the opposite. Trading successfully requires hard work, and even then success is often more modest than you think. I think John puts it best at the end of the beginner course ebook:


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I got lucky, really. I mean, I somehow talked my way into a trading job in Chicago and fortunately for me the firm was legitimate and well-funded and one day I saw a guy making hundreds of thousands and he wasn't looking at any charts. If I hadn't had that experience, I would have probably never made any money trading. I would not be writing this book. And that's one of the reasons I am writing this book. People will tell you exactly what you want to hear to sell you whatever it is they want to sell you. I will tell you like I see it. If you don't want to hear it, too bad. If you don't believe me, your loss. I cannot guarantee that you are going to make money trading but if you read this book and pay attention to what I'm saying and start trying to anticipate what the big money is going to do, you will have a really good shot. If you keep looking at charts and keep buying system after system and continue to think that you can turn $2,000 into $2 million, you have no shot. None.

And if you want a guaranteed way to make money, marry a rich person. Best advice I can give you.


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