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...I mostly trade ZN and really only trade ES if there's a great setup and treasuries aren't moving ideally. I know this doesn't sound that a lot, but the consistency is huge for me!

There's no substitute for screen time, but if you're willing to put in the time and effort, No BS will help to get you where you want to be faster than learning it all on your own. I think this course would still be reasonable at twice the current price. It has a ton of info and is a huge value. It was crucial in helping me to put everything together.

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any chance you can post a chart with your setups?

thanks!

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any chance you can post a chart with your setups?

As far as ZN goes, the setups are so dependent on the DOM that a chart won't really tell you the story. I have a small 1-range chart for ZN in the corner of my screen but it's only a reference - I don't trade off of it. I approach ES using auction market theory ŗ la FT71 and use what I'm learning from No BS to read the DOM to determine where the strength is. I prefer to be in the market only when there is real pressure. This probably isn't the right thread to post a bunch of charts but you can check out my twitter if you want, there are a few on there. I've been toying around with the idea of creating an end of session video journal, but as of yet it is only an idea.

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My experience ...


I purchased John Grady's courses, both the basic and the intermediate.
It's very very very basic stuff, also the intermediate one.... I wanted to improve the precision of my entry by using some scalping tools. I am not a ladder expert but if you have one year of experience you probably already figured out most of the stuff he teaches.

The general sensation is that John's method works only for the bonds market. If you apply his methodology to the /ES you will end up making 10+ trades a day to end up with 1000 USD per day, which you could make with 1 trade on a bigger time frame.

I don't like the approach that he has. .... his philosophy is "everything else that people teach is BS", true traders scalp! In general I don't think this it's good to label as BS how other people trade. There are people making millions that never used the ladder.

He teaches how HFT work, but how does he know? he has no formal education, and nowadays HFT are programmed by mathematicians and physicist with Phd from ivy league universities.
According to his explanations, HFT works by looking at big orders on the ladder and that's all.
Come on!!! I have a friend with phd in artificial intelligent from MIT working on HFT algorithms..... I think HFT are smarter than he thinks.

I think there is a lot of valuable tools if you want to make scalp few ticks on bonds, or if you are a complete beginner.
The conclusion to me is, that he just looks at the trees and cannot see the woods.

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I donít think youíre wrong. Grady is very preachy about only using the DOM.

As of late, it seems like he is trading ES more than he used to. It seems to me (just a personal observation here, nothing concrete or stated by him) that the bond market has changed and I donít think heís been able to adapt as well.

However, that being said, he does have some students that are now swinging a 20 lot on ZN and making good $ doing so. His methods, while not the only way to trade, definitely do have validity.

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Hey Sam, you just managed to simultaneously give John the backside of your hand whilst giving him an atta boy with your other... all in one breath!

John's material gives the noob a fundamentally important skill in trading which is reading orderflow. He is one of the few who does this in an easy, well explained way that actually works and makes money. To further illustrate how unique John is in the the trading community at large and not just orderflow. He's one of a very few who will do live, real money trades, win or lose, with his students present in real time.

Since he demonstrably is making money, which few educators in the universe of trading educators can do and document with their trading method, my money is on the guy who can prove he prints real money. If you could trade traders, John would be the high probability trade in the market of trading educators.

In my last 30 years of trading, there is only one other trading educator out there I am aware that offered a better deal than John and would be Larry P. In the late 90's, Larry P would day trade in person, real time in his office, one on one with his students live for 3 days and make money while teaching his approach. Larry P would also refund the entire $3000.00 he charged you if he failed to make money in his live teaching/trading sessions. In the years Ive known Larry since the 90's, he only had to refund one student.

John Grady and Larry P are some of the best money I ever spent learning this biz. Larry P's full name is not mentioned because he's now in his 70's and retired from teaching.

Both John and Larry are standouts in the trading community regardless of their completely different approaches - they both make real money.

If you want a fundamentally solid and very well thought out instruction in orderflow backed up with real results, John Grady is the real deal and a great choice.


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I purchased John Grady's courses, both the basic and the intermediate.
It's very very very basic stuff, also the intermediate one.... I wanted to improve the precision of my entry by using some scalping tools. I am not a ladder expert but if you have one year of experience you probably already figured out most of the stuff he teaches.

The general sensation is that John's method works only for the bonds market. If you apply his methodology to the /ES you will end up making 10+ trades a day to end up with 1000 USD per day, which you could make with 1 trade on a bigger time frame.

I don't like the approach that he has. .... his philosophy is "everything else that people teach is BS", true traders scalp! In general I don't think this it's good to label as BS how other people trade. There are people making millions that never used the ladder.

He teaches how HFT work, but how does he know? he has no formal education, and nowadays HFT are programmed by mathematicians and physicist with Phd from ivy league universities.
According to his explanations, HFT works by looking at big orders on the ladder and that's all.
Come on!!! I have a friend with phd in artificial intelligent from MIT working on HFT algorithms..... I think HFT are smarter than he thinks.

I think there is a lot of valuable tools if you want to make scalp few ticks on bonds, or if you are a complete beginner.
The conclusion to me is, that he just looks at the trees and cannot see the woods.



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@jkarten

Well said.
I think most people would be happy to buy a basic course that will explain what a previous post suggested it could otherwise take a year of your own time to mostly figure out. A 60 page PDF ebook and a couple of hours of videos for less than $90 seems like a good deal to me. I value a year of my time at more than that.
Also although it is the basic/beginner/introductory course I for one found it covered a lot of concepts that were unfamiliar to me and I imagine it would for anybody that hasn't already had DOM training.

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@jkarten

I agree with you that John's material is good, and he is a serious trader/teacher BUT he sells his material saying that "true traders" just use the ladder... this is the premise behind his approach. His course is called "no-BS" meaning that according to his vision a lot of trader teach BS.

My objection to this is that there is no scientific proof that using orderflow is more effective than not using it. Also you cannot draw the conclusion that since you show some picture of people with a ladder on their computer, then the whole community of serious traders use the ladder. A picture is not a scientific proof.

I am not saying that his material is bad, I just say that whenever you put some axioms, you might limit the possibilities of gaining money in other ways.
I think axioms are very limiting, above all in trading. He makes money exactly as everybody who has 5+ year in the industry makes money.

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@jkarten

I agree with you that John's material is good, and he is a serious trader/teacher BUT he sells his material saying that "true traders" just use the ladder... this is the premise behind his approach. His course is called "no-BS" meaning that according to his vision a lot of trader teach BS.

My objection to this is that there is no scientific proof that using orderflow is more effective than not using it. Also you cannot draw the conclusion that since you show some picture of people with a ladder on their computer, then the whole community of serious traders use the ladder. A picture is not a scientific proof.

I am not saying that his material is bad, I just say that whenever you put some axioms, you might limit the possibilities of gaining money in other ways.
I think axioms are very limiting, above all in trading. He makes money exactly as everybody who has 5+ year in the industry makes money.

I think he emphasizes the DOM over charts to get his students to focus on learning the real order flow. I don't know about anyone else, but it took me a long time to really "see" what's going on in the DOM. I had to study replays for hours and hours until it sunk in. But time spent was most definitely worth it. I do use charts for overall context of the market. I also use Ninza's Volume Delta which is a great indicator. It complements the DOM very well.

When you say "scientific proof" what exactly do you mean? Everyone will take different trades even if they're essentially using the same methodology. I think it comes down to the trader's perception of the market and what his/her statistics say - are you making money or not? That's really the only metric that counts. How you get there really doesn't matter.

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His last webinar just ended. As context this is my fifth month trading live despite first talking to John on October 2016 and getting all his course material back then, including the recordings of a previous webinar he had. Being as lazy as I am implied I wasted one year and a half almost doing nothing but reviewing some of the videos he sends from time to time while not trading. What an idiot. Wake up call for me in 2018, followed John advice of funding my account with just enough size to trade only 1 lot, I traded for two months until I hit margin limits and stop to review the entire material again including the webinar recordings I had.

I went back to trading last February and ended March at breakeven so I knew real progress was being madeÖ Talked to him again to attend another webinar this time live to interact with him and it was well worth it.
Long story short despite having 138 trades live I feel like Iíve learned the tools that might make possible for me to end my fifth month green and grow from here. It all depends on the person but the scalping method being taught here is solid. Hereís the best part at least from my perspective: the guy makes mistakes sometimes and heís the first to tell you why he made the mistake and what he should have done to avoid it. Walks you through the thought process of understanding context, what types of market actions you should look for to engage, what he is looking for to enter a trade, how to manage it once he is in the trade and why the exit.

Conclusion: I can only offer the perspective of a guy who has no background in trading since that was my case: If you are completely new and know nothing at all as I was (I never traded in my life before and to this day I donít even know TA aside from support/resistance) then this is the best possible place to start, and honestly you donít need anything else.

Sorry for the lengthy post and my english, hope it helps someone out there as it certainly helped me when I asked for advice and a fellow trader directed me towards John and the No BS day trading site.

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John Grady - No BS Day Trading


If you are serious about learning to day trade profitably, John Grady at nobsdaytrading.com is the Real Thing - a consistently profitable trader who is a gifted educator who wants to help others make money trading. In addition, he has been running and improving his Advanced Course for years, so you have the benefit of everyone who has gone before you and their suggestions for improvements. WARNING - John's Advanced Course has three parts, (1) written PDFs, (2) starter videos and (3) the 12-day live trading sessions. DO NOT attend the live sessions without carefully going through the PDFs and the starter videos, which are the heart of the course. You need 1-2 months to absorb the PDFs and the starter videos to make the live trading sessions worthwhile. G. Elias

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