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Recently stumbled over a vendor that has programmed an indicator/strategy for ninjatrader to combine NT7 indicators, with severeral integrated logics, to half or fully automate trading ideas. They allow unlimited trial for demo trading, so you only pay when you think the developed system is worth going live.

Just started looking at some youtube videos, how to use custom indicators like 3dspotter and quickly got stuck finding out how to get the custom indicator outputs into bloodhound (you have to trial and error some permutations of possibilities to find out the correct parameters)





Iīd like to ask the more experienced in strategy development on how you think about this graphical user interface supported "mouse klicking" solution.
Is it worth getting deeper into bloodhound or are there some fundamental flaws in the concept, so you (i) better start learning C# to backtest/automate trading ideas (taking all that huge time learning and then coding/debugging stuff)?

The vendor page is BloodHound | SharkIndicators
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Hi,

Interesting software. Looks like a programming helper if you will. Probably a good tool if you can't program, but the price point seems high at about the same cost of NinjaTrader. Also, I would consider this a research tool more than a trading tool as once you specialize to a trading system, you don't need the flexibility provided by this tool.

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hi
I just began using it myself and it seems like a great tool for someone like me with limited coding experience.
It enables me to play around with concepts in a fast and visual way.

I tested one ADX strategy on a live sim account this week and it worked pretty good. I was able to fine tune an ADX strategy I had already.

If I find a few more strategies that work ok, then I will lease it first for a few months.

I will post again when I have more results.

It appears very interesting to me !

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I purchased Bloodhound some time back ... a lot of new features have been added since then. It is excellent for testing new ideas for traders without coding skills. With SI Raven it can also trade your homemade strategies ... Great tool

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I am a believer in buying tools, not systems. This is definitely a tool, which is why i have invested a lot of time in the free trial - which is fully functional just limited to 60 days of intraday backtesting.

its great because i can shortcut the coding hurdle in Ninja. I have found however lots of stability issues but that just may be my machine.

There is a very steep learning curve trying to get it all working so you invest lots of time. but the trial costs nothing so why not fool around with it.....

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Thanks for the feedback folks, it's greatly appreciated!

@greenroomhoo - I'd be interested in diagnosing those stability issues you're having, let me know if you come across problems and I'll help you any way I can to resolve them (you can also drop us a line on via support ticket which we answer as soon as we can).

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thanks jeremy.....i have had lots of personal ninja/computer issues so as i noted in my post it is probably that. I am going to reinstall on new hardware. If i still have issues ill take you up on that support ticket.

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Thanks for the feedback folks, it's greatly appreciated!

@greenroomhoo - I'd be interested in diagnosing those stability issues you're having, let me know if you come across problems and I'll help you any way I can to resolve them (you can also drop us a line on via support ticket which we answer as soon as we can).

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Hello when more information becomes available on Falcon? Can you give a preview?
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Hi Belgrade

Thanks for the question. Falcon is still a while out and we don't have a timeframe available for that currently.
In the meantime, you can use SiRaven (included with BloodHound) to place ATM trades on which provide more flexibility than just simple stops and targets.

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Hi Belgrade

Thanks for the question. Falcon is still a while out and we don't have a timeframe available for that currently.
In the meantime, you can use SiRaven (included with BloodHound) to place ATM trades on which provide more flexibility than just simple stops and targets.

Any updates About Falcon ?

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I use Bloodhound and like it. I can write in easy language and ninja script. I use Bloodhound in initial testing and flushing out Ideas. The graphical interface make it a lot faster to see what elements of my strategy are strongest.

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Since my coding skills are quite limited, the BloodHound Software in fact helps me a lot.

It supports me by creating even quite complex strategies in a few minutes without the need to write a single line of code.
These strategies can be tested on the fly and in real time, so I can see the results of any change immediately on my charts.

I recently purchased a license of the Ultimate Edition (there has been an NT webinar discount available), and IMO the price is quite reasonable compared to the equivalent you get with the package.

Now I'm still in the process of learning about all the features and methods the software provides...

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When starting learning it i quickly got stuck finding the inputs of custom indicators as the thresholds and outputs of some custom indicators seem to need trial and erroring for use in bloodhound (if there were any usable outputs at all).

The idea to plug together a strategy in NT7 with no programming skills is still great.

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When starting learning it i quickly got stuck finding the inputs of custom indicators as the thresholds and outputs of some custom indicators seem to need trial and erroring for use in bloodhound (if there were any usable outputs at all).

The idea to plug together a strategy in NT7 with no programming skills is still great.

Yep, I second that. There's a lot of trial and error included while working with custom indicators, but it doesn't take a lot of time to develop a solid understanding how to use the interface and how plots and values of any indicator have to be interpreted to get at least a basic result.

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I can start a new thread for users if you guys want.

I'm having trouble creating a solver to show when a candle is touching a MA. I've tried it a few ways, any ideas?

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I can start a new thread for users if you guys want.

I'm having trouble creating a solver to show when a candle is touching a MA. I've tried it a few ways, any ideas?

Westsider

Well, maybe some sort of "Working / Problem Thread" for BloodHound users sounds like a pretty good idea.

And as far as I know you can only determine in a solver if a candle closes above or below any given MA...but perhaps we can try to have a closer look on your problem in another thread where SI could give some input as well.

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I can start a new thread for users if you guys want.

I'm having trouble creating a solver to show when a candle is touching a MA. I've tried it a few ways, any ideas?

Westsider

can't you use the comparison solver for that. using the chamelian indicator?

BTW there is a support forum at the BH site.

I have no problem using futures.io (formerly BMT) for this purpose.

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Anyone know if Bloodhound has access to OFA data?

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There is now a subforum for SharkIndicator Bloodhound users to share and discuss their Strategy Templates:

https://futures.io/sharkindicators-bloodhound/

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There is now a subforum for SharkIndicator Bloodhound users to share and discuss their Strategy Templates:

https://futures.io/sharkindicators-bloodhound/

Mike

can you move the discussions on the posts I started over to the new BloodHound posts you are setting up? Thanks!

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can you move the discussions on the posts I started over to the new BloodHound posts you are setting up? Thanks!

Give me links, or better use "Report Post" on the threads. I already moved what I could find a few days ago.

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Give me links, or better use "Report Post" on the threads. I already moved what I could find a few days ago.

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I see the Bloodhound system has been around for a while, but there isn't much recent blog activity on their site beyond a few separate indicators people have built using the product and being demoed in the blog.

Since this thread is fairly old are there many of you out there using the tool?
Are you still pleased with the product and the support?
Is bloodhound something you use on a daily basis for your trading?

I also saw there's mention of something called Falcon as an upgrade to SiRaven. I can't find any information on what that is or if I should hold out for that.

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I can't seem to download the demo.

After downloading the exe file, I open ninja, and go to import ninjascript, my documents, ninjatrader7, but there is no 'bloodhound' file like in the tutorial video, and no new ninjascript files.

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After downloading the exe file, I open ninja, and go to import ninjascript, my documents, ninjatrader7, but there is no 'bloodhound' file like in the tutorial video, and no new ninjascript files.

The installer is a exe file, so you simply run it. Make sure Ninja is closed all the way, then double click the BloodHound installer you downloaded, and follow the instructions from there. After it finishes, the website Getting Started Guide will open and take you from there.

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Does anyone use Bloodhound for EOD analysis or is it mainly useful in real time? I'd be interested in user's experience in using it as an EOD tool. Thanks.

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Hi, there is no diference using EOD or intraday data. The same logic/solvers you would build/apply into intraday data(bars) you would apply to EOD bars too.

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Hi, there is no diference using EOD or intraday data. The same logic/solvers you would build/apply into intraday data(bars) you would apply to EOD bars too.

Ok, thanks. Wasn't sure if it was just real time software - now clear having read-up on BH. Will follow-up.

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Ok, thanks. Wasn't sure if it was just real time software - now clear having read-up on BH. Will follow-up.

I AM able to apply all my studies originated from intraday bars onto all bar provided by Kinetick, default dettings.

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I AM able to apply all my studies originated from intraday bars onto all bar provided by Kinetick, default dettings.

OK. Have you by chance looked at the Adaptrade Builder software - is it a different animal? Thanks.

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OK. Have you by chance looked at the Adaptrade Builder software - is it a different animal? Thanks.

Sorry, have not.

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OK. Have you by chance looked at the Adaptrade Builder software - is it a different animal? Thanks.

There is a thread on it.

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Ok, thanks. Did look, but couldn't find anything on a comparison between the two.

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I would like to know if anyone knows or has used a bloodhound consultant other than Daniel Roe? There seems to be a lack of viable alternatives for consultants who can help develop viable bloodhound systems.
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Hi,
When you say viable BH systems, you refer to Raven or NinjaScript instantiating bloodhound on code, then managing internally? Or using BH to generate signals, Raven running and a ATM template managing position?
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Yes just "meat and potatoes" writing solvers, logic to create a simple entry and exit. Also need some potential additional filter to help with chop to help diminish "whipsaw" entries.

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I would like to know if anyone knows or has used a bloodhound consultant other than Daniel Roe? There seems to be a lack of viable alternatives for consultants who can help develop viable bloodhound systems.
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Sorry about the lateness of this reply. Have not been around the forum for a while and just noticed this post.

I've spend several sessions with Zac White who works for Sharkindicators. I used him to jumpstart my Bloodhound knowledge and it was worth every penny. Zac is one of the Bloodhound developers and knows the product cold. He's also pleasant, patient, and quickly understood and solved the problems I presented. The setups I've developed using Bloodhound have been incredibly lucrative. I recommend Zac highly.

If you are a Bloodhound customer, Zac hosts a free online webinar every Friday at noon where he fields questions and goes over the Bloodhound capabilities. These sessions are also often helpful and he usually gets to all the questions submitted. If you are a customer and are not getting weekly invitations to these webinars, contact their support folks.

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Another source of information on sharkindicators is youtube where you find lots of video's and solvers that can be usefull in your creation of your own system.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bloodhound+sharkindicators[/yt]

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***** 5/5
I'm really impressed with this tool. If I have an idea for a strategy (or just want something to remind me NOT to do that stupid trading-thing I just did again) and want to prototype it quickly for manual or automated trading, this is the tool I use. Then tweak the prototype until it is part of my edge. It isn't an indicator, but something that helps combine a suite of indicators into a system, or strategy decision making engine.

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Few days ago I received e-mail from SharkIndicators inviting me to " join Sharkindicators and TraderMakers
for our partner webinar Tuesday SEPTEMBER 29th @ 4:30 PM EST " and saying: "Special Offer For Attendees:
All attendees will receive a FREE indicator for their Ninja Trader charts, and 50% OFF BloodHound ".

During the webinar TraderMakers made combined offer for SharkIndicators product and their product in excess of $3000.
I was not interested in this initial offer made in the e-mail so I have contacted SharkIndicators directly to buy just the SharkIndicators/BloodHound software - as offered.
Despite few attempts - they refused!
Instead, they imply I misunderstood the offer and they are not going to honour it.
But the way it was advertised by SharkIndicators the offer was unconditional - "all attendees ..." not all purchasers of other package!
Is this legal practice to advertise and then to back off?

Has anyone else experienced this with any other Vendor?

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PS. Words within double quotes ("...") are copied directly from their e-mail.

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@ Romus

Without taking part for one or other ( Sharkindicators or TraderMakers ) i think that the offer was only valid when you join ( pay ) Tradermakers who is likely to take Sharkindicators for use at there trading.

I have the impression that Sharkindicators is expanding there product thru sites where trading is done.

When a strategy or system is made with the sharkindicators then the members of the room will likely buy also the sharkindicators If they do that then i guess the discount is valid.

So you had to buy the system of TradeerMakers to have the discount. I dont know what TraderMakers is charging usually for there products as i am nhot a member of them.

I think that if you want the sharkindicators then you can buy them from there website ( your can always try to ask for a discount )

Just my 2cents

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@ Crossover
Hi,

They took similar stand when I complained for wasting my time - I was interested in BH, not other system and the e-mail was sent by BH CLEARLY saying in RED:
"Special Offer For Attendees:
All attendees will receive a FREE indicator for their Ninja Trader charts, and 50% OFF BloodHound ".
(NO STRINGS ATTACHED HERE!)

This sounds like special offer for attending the webinar - otherwise the FREE indicator would not be free either, only upon purchasing the other program! (and it was sent to me free)

This is misleading advertising!

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Hi Romus,

The similar standing point is what i was thinking. Both are working toghether for there webinar.

But:

You are correct, an attendee is not a buyer, its somebody watching the webinar......so i ( who am i ? ) think you must receive what they promised and what you claim.

Question who has to " give it"?...i guess the one who did sent you the mail.

its something to follow on.

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Tell them you are going to sue them...lol.
You dont live in the United States so you wouldnt even be able to step foot into the courtroom but they dont need to know that...right?


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Few days ago I received e-mail from SharkIndicators inviting me to " join Sharkindicators and TraderMakers
for our partner webinar Tuesday SEPTEMBER 29th @ 4:30 PM EST " and saying: "Special Offer For Attendees:
All attendees will receive a FREE indicator for their Ninja Trader charts, and 50% OFF BloodHound ".

During the webinar TraderMakers made combined offer for SharkIndicators product and their product in excess of $3000.
I was not interested in this initial offer made in the e-mail so I have contacted SharkIndicators directly to buy just the SharkIndicators/BloodHound software - as offered.
Despite few attempts - they refused!
Instead, they imply I misunderstood the offer and they are not going to honour it.
But the way it was advertised by SharkIndicators the offer was unconditional - "all attendees ..." not all purchasers of other package!
Is this legal practice to advertise and then to back off?

Has anyone else experienced this with any other Vendor?

Cheers,
PS. Words within double quotes ("...") are copied directly from their e-mail.


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Tell them you are going to sue them...lol.
You dont live in the United States so you wouldnt even be able to step foot into the courtroom but they dont need to know that...right?

I think the title of the email the original poster mentioned was indeed misleading, probably by mistake, however threat of lawsuit is hardly worth the time nor cost for a $500 product.

In my opinion, raising the visibility of the mistake and sharing it with the trading public will probably make someone at the company a bit uncomfortable. Many time's is just best for a company to take to take the high road; gain some good will, take little bit of revenue where possible, and realize the marketing mistake for future campaigns.

Good luck to the OP

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(..), and realize the marketing mistake for future campaigns.

Already happened.
Now emails are very clear about what they offer and how to access it.

Well done guys.

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Hi Guys,

Thank you for your comments.

The offer was quite clear, even the discount was in different font colour.
OK, I agree that sometimes we make a mistake but how we handle it is what matters, not following with bunch of lies claiming they never have done the discounts before (and they did, 50% included) or they would loose on the deal - on the contrary. They would have gained another customer who would pay for future updates, maybe additional programming etc.

And let's get real - how much can you loose on digital product that client is downloading himself???

@ SpyderTrader, Maybe I can sue them, come to America and claim the cost of expenses as well! :-)


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I installed the trial, and now "Strategies" is unavailable when I right click on my NinjaTrader charts! The Strategies button is disabled on my charts as well.

I have some older strategies that I need. I uninstalled SI and the Strategies are still unavailable.

Can anyone advise please?

Thanks in advance.

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You can't run strategies with Chart Trader on.

I don't have Chart Trader on.

thanks very much for your response michaelleemore.

Update: I was able to restore my work space from a backup, so at least I got my strategies back. I'll install the Shark trial on another machine to see if I can figure out how to keep my older strategies as well as test out Shark.

Thanks!

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Hello All,


I have been testing a few setups with Bloodhound, and creating and testing consumes a lot of time.

Who has run a script on a live account with, GZT, Flux or other vendors for longer times with good results?

And can we exchange good running templates here?

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Hi All,
Has anyone tried their new product called Blackbird?

I looked at the Youtube video (
) in the channel NinjaTrader Ecosystem and it seemed interesting though price is a little high. Another thing that is interesting is that there were a few critical comments that seem to have now been removed

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Hi All,
Has anyone tried their new product called Blackbird?

I looked at the Youtube video (
) in the channel NinjaTrader Ecosystem and it seemed interesting though price is a little high. Another thing that is interesting is that there were a few critical comments that seem to have now been removed

Cheers,
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I got this link from back in April. It is a beta testning workshop 5 hours long.


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I am a believer in buying tools, not systems. This is definitely a tool, which is why i have invested a lot of time in the free trial - which is fully functional just limited to 60 days of intraday backtesting.

its great because i can shortcut the coding hurdle in Ninja. I have found however lots of stability issues but that just may be my machine.

There is a very steep learning curve trying to get it all working so you invest lots of time. but the trial costs nothing so why not fool around with it.....

IMO, beware of Bloodhound. In reality, it truly is just another lagging indicator that requires price action decisions. BH is too complicated for a person with average intelligence. My

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Too complicated? Hmm its depending on what you want to do with it.

I make a chart and add solvers i think there are usefull. The good thing is that you can scroll back as far as you have data to

see of the solver or the combination of solvers is giving you the wanted signals ( by vertical red or green lines ) then you can

make your logic and experiment with your logic in a strategy .

To be honest, after experimenting for longer times, i did not found yet a strategy that can run automated with gains.

So i use bloodhound mostly as a signal service. the signal draws my attention and after a quick evaluation i take or dont take the trade.

I did try several timeframes in 1 chart but thats not working as expected.

The last 6 months i did not use bloodhound any more Mostly due to lack of time to trade.

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I use bloodhound for signals. Yes it does take time to learn but I have found it to be useful. If I have a problem or question
help has always been there. I have no complaints.

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Did you try using several timeframes in a bloodhound template?

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@crossover, if that question was to me, no I haven't.
Did you look here https://www.sharkindicators.com/documentation/multiple-timeframes/

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@Riverend


I did add other timeframes in the same chart. The first time i did that it worked. After closing ninjatrader and reopening later

the same chart, it did not work.

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It almost sounds like you didn't save the template. If you saw it there once it sounds like BH did it's job.
Can you load one additional time frame at a time save the template, close it see if it reopens with it's new name?
If all else fails contact BH support.

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I have developed a few BloodHound strategies that I would like to distribute and license to others. I will be purchasing from SharkIndicators their 'Partner Edition' in order for me to distribute locked and protected BloodHound strategies/templates via exporting these as 'Black-Box' templates where the solvers are not visible or modifiable.

However, the folks at SharkIndicators recommended I might obtain a 'License Indicator' so I can also control usage of these Bloodhound Black-Box templates/strategies. Primarily I am told that I simply need to add a 'License Indicator' to the BloodHound template as a solver in order to accomplish this.

Anybody here familiar with this concept of a 'License Indicator'? Any and all suggestions/recommendations would be much appreciated!

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I have developed a few BloodHound strategies that I would like to distribute and license to others. I will be purchasing from SharkIndicators their 'Partner Edition' in order for me to distribute locked and protected BloodHound strategies/templates via exporting these as 'Black-Box' templates where the solvers are not visible or modifiable.

However, the folks at SharkIndicators recommended I might obtain a 'License Indicator' so I can also control usage of these Bloodhound Black-Box templates/strategies. Primarily I am told that I simply need to add a 'License Indicator' to the BloodHound template as a solver in order to accomplish this.

Anybody here familiar with this concept of a 'License Indicator'? Any and all suggestions/recommendations would be much appreciated!

Best regards,
PilotTrader

I can't help you with the License Indicator but I would think that Jeremy, Zac, or Mike could help you with that.

Also, I'd be interested in your BH templates. Please PM me. BTW, I live "right down the road" in Hammonton.

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I can't help you with the License Indicator but I would think that Jeremy, Zac, or Mike could help you with that.

Also, I'd be interested in your BH templates. Please PM me. BTW, I live "right down the road" in Hammonton.

Geoff

Hi 'neighbor',

Ya, I had conference call with Mike yesterday and he suggested I seek NT support for further assistance on this. Will now schedule call with NT today to see what is required.

I posted a few queries here on the Futures.io forums to see if anybody had traveled this road before and hopefully get feedback.



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Hi everyone.

I just thought i would post a mini review. I have had a Bloodhound for a few years now. I have to say, i have saved a lot of money by using Bloodhound to code many strategies. So far, I donít know if any of them will eventually be used in live trading. But, the point is, I have saved so much money and time by using Bloodhound to code myself, versus paying a NT strategy coder.

I donít believe there has been any circumstances that i wanted to code that was outside bloodhounds capabilities.

Their support is also great.

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I like bloodhound too. The thing I detest is that I want to be on their product mailing list but keep getting spam on third party products.


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I like bloodhound too. The thing I detest is that I want to be on their product mailing list but keep getting spam on third party products.


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SPAM hasn't been an issue for me, unless you mean the sponsored videos they run. Like NinjaTrader, they don't vet their partners so most of the people parading up there with their webinars are a waste of time (JTIA, Remek, etc....be very careful). The minimal SPAM I receive due to this affiliation is more than made up for by the occasional knowledgeable vendor that slips through. I just unsubscribe...easy in Gmail but you have an iphone so I can't speak to that. My wife is always swearing at her Government-issued iphone 6s so I can just imagine the daily horrors that iphone users are subjected to.

BTW, do you license Bloodhound or are you just kicking the tires? I'm always up for communicating with other BH and Blackbird users so feel free to PM me if you want to dialog. I've been using both products for a year or so and am going live $$$ in January. Also planning to do a video journal here next time Big Mike does the invitation so people can see how it all fits together. But I see I'm mounting the high horse so I'll stop pontificating.

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SPAM hasn't been an issue for me, unless you mean the sponsored videos they run. Like NinjaTrader, they don't vet their partners so most of the people parading up there with their webinars are a waste of time (JTIA, Remek, etc....be very careful). The minimal SPAM I receive due to this affiliation is more than made up for by the occasional knowledgeable vendor that slips through. I just unsubscribe...easy in Gmail but you have an iphone so I can't speak to that. My wife is always swearing at her Government-issued iphone 6s so I can just imagine the daily horrors that iphone users are subjected to.



BTW, do you license Bloodhound or are you just kicking the tires? I'm always up for communicating with other BH and Blackbird users so feel free to PM me if you want to dialog. I've been using both products for a year or so and am going live $$$ in January. Also planning to do a video journal here next time Big Mike does the invitation so people can see how it all fits together. But I see I'm mounting the high horse so I'll stop pontificating.



Happy Holidays!



Geoff

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Yes I was actually referring to the third party spammers you mentioned

I do actually have a full unlimited forever licensed BH. However I havenít used it in a while as i am working on a multithreaded backtesting, walkforward genetic optimiser in c#. The rest of my time is being taken up by developing some equities day trading strategies - going live any day...


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BLOODHOUND AND BLACKBIRD are BOTH Awesome and I used them DAILY.

I underestimated them and how much they would help me ---> but after I used them --- now I can't really trade without the Bloodhound giving me the alerts that I want and it highlighting some things for me!

I use it for both trade entry alerts and for another thing >>> highlighting some things from an indicator and it has massively improved my trading. And I feel like I am only tapping into the surface of what Bloodhound can do.

It really really is fantastic. Expensive... but freaking fantastic. And it is the CORRECT Price for what you get really -- if I will be honest.

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BLOODHOUND AND BLACKBIRD are BOTH Awesome and I used them DAILY.

It really really is fantastic. Expensive... but freaking fantastic. And it is the CORRECT Price for what you get really -- if I will be honest.

Expensive if you just log on their site and buy it. Wait for one of the partner webinars, like Lizard Traders (Harry's firm) and you'll see great discounts. Shark also has year-end deals that are probably over by now but it's fairly easy to not pay list price for these. I find the Si Renko bars are also very good. A bit buggy sometimes, but very flexible if you're into Renko bars.

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BLOODHOUND AND BLACKBIRD are BOTH Awesome and I used them DAILY.

I underestimated them and how much they would help me ---> but after I used them --- now I can't really trade without the Bloodhound giving me the alerts that I want and it highlighting some things for me!

I use it for both trade entry alerts and for another thing >>> highlighting some things from an indicator and it has massively improved my trading. And I feel like I am only tapping into the surface of what Bloodhound can do.

It really really is fantastic. Expensive... but freaking fantastic. And it is the CORRECT Price for what you get really -- if I will be honest.

when will NJ8 version come out? it was supposed to become available last x'mas but nothing happens. Any beta user here? How to become a beta tester? or... there is no NJ8 version at all?!

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when will NJ8 version come out? it was supposed to become available last x'mas but nothing happens. Any beta user here? How to become a beta tester? or... there is no NJ8 version at all?!

I found Blood Hound e-x-t-r-e-m-e-l-y difficult to use. Unless you have programing experience, I would not recommend the product. Even then, there is something called learning curve and time spent on BH. Wonder if Jeremy even trades with the BH signals . . . . hmmmm. Futures io members, does Jeremy have a live trading room now to prove the value of BH???

Big Mike, thanks for a forum where people can honestly speak their minds. I enjoy all comments.

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I found Blood Hound e-x-t-r-e-m-e-l-y difficult to use. Unless you have programing experience, I would not recommend the product. Even then, there is something called learning curve and time spent on BH. Wonder if Jeremy even trades with the BH signals . . . . hmmmm. Futures io members, does Jeremy have a live trading room now to prove the value of BH???

Big Mike, thanks for a forum where people can honestly speak their minds. I enjoy all comments.

I have Bloodhound and was an early adopter been using it since 2013, I think on paper it's an excellent product however most people I have come across have not made much headway developing consistent trading system templates with it. Part of the problem is the lack of accurate back testing capabilities, and now they push a separate program called blackbird for trade management. I personally have some decent templates but don't really need to use it for my trading. There is a platform I can recommend if you want systems and strategies that are backtested, optimized and have filters you can customize and you don't have to code any of it, and no I do not receive any compensation and do not work for them and they do not do much advertising.

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I have Bloodhound and was an early adopter been using it since 2013, I think on paper it's an excellent product however most people I have come across have not made much headway developing consistent trading system templates with it. Part of the problem is the lack of accurate back testing capabilities, and now they push a separate program called blackbird for trade management. I personally have some decent templates but don't really need to use it for my trading. There is a platform I can recommend if you want systems and strategies that are backtested, optimized and have filters you can customize and you don't have to code any of it, and no I do not receive any compensation and do not work for them and they do not do much advertising.

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Hi,

I was wondering what is the platform that you would recommend for developing systems and strategies?

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I found Blood Hound e-x-t-r-e-m-e-l-y difficult to use. Unless you have programing experience, I would not recommend the product. Even then, there is something called learning curve and time spent on BH. Wonder if Jeremy even trades with the BH signals . . . . hmmmm. Futures io members, does Jeremy have a live trading room now to prove the value of BH???

Big Mike, thanks for a forum where people can honestly speak their minds. I enjoy all comments.

Hi Bopwille, thanks for your feedback. A common misconception about our product is that it is like other products in our industry where you are buying into an existing trading system, and it's credibility is based on how much that system will make money for you.

Our products are not trading systems. The best analogy for our product is Adobe Photoshop.

Much like the talented engineers who build Photoshop aren't necessarily artists, I am not a trader nor do I claim to be. We have no trade room, but instead a product workshop where we show you how to use our software, not trade.

In short, I am a software engineer not a trader. I focus my time effort on building the best possible tools in the industry. Our products are like blank canvases where you use your trading skills and knowledge to create your own trading systems, just as an artist would create imagery in Photoshop. Adobe Photoshop is the best tool in its industry not because they have talented artists building it, but because the best software engineers are building it. The same anology applies to other industries - the best car manufacturers use the best engineers and designers to create cars (not the best race car drivers).

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when will NJ8 version come out? it was supposed to become available last x'mas but nothing happens. Any beta user here? How to become a beta tester? or... there is no NJ8 version at all?!

Thanks for the interest, i have been working pretty hard on the NT8 version, but sometimes as software development goes there are unforseen hurdles. As they say in my line of work, sometimes the last 10% takes 90% of the time. We are right now internally testing an Alpha version and will be looking to release a public beta soon! Thanks for your patience and sorry about the delay.

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Thanks for the interest, i have been working pretty hard on the NT8 version, but sometimes as software development goes there are unforseen hurdles. As they say in my line of work, sometimes the last 10% takes 90% of the time. We are right now internally testing an Alpha version and will be looking to release a public beta soon! Thanks for your patience and sorry about the delay.

thanks a lot Jeremy for your feedback! extremely glad that you are more on software development than trading. This is why I love SI and its products. Trading indeed is very much a personal thing and it depends on one's personality & background. Both cannot not be implemented in a generic template.
Please keep up with your work and I look forward to the release of the NT8 version. I prefer to see a slimmed down version on NT8 sooner than waiting too long for a full-feature port. Please please hurry up.

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I found Blood Hound e-x-t-r-e-m-e-l-y difficult to use. Unless you have programing experience, I would not recommend the product. Even then, there is something called learning curve and time spent on BH. Wonder if Jeremy even trades with the BH signals . . . . hmmmm. Futures io members, does Jeremy have a live trading room now to prove the value of BH???

Big Mike, thanks for a forum where people can honestly speak their minds. I enjoy all comments.

with all due respect, it sounds like you don't even understand what BH is. Value of BH doesn't need a trading room to prove. They are totally irrelevant from my point of view...

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Hi folks,

Just wanted to chime in on Sharkindicator's Bloodhound and Blackbird trading development tools here briefly.


Over the past 6 months, I have been working extensively on a trading strategy using Bloodhound, with notable success. However, I also bit the bullet and purchased Blackbird just a month or so ago. That move was a definite game changer for me and the strategy I am working on. I did not believe it at first that money management could make such a significant difference to the profitability of a strategy but I am now convinced that should be an essential part of any strategy.

So, as it is clear by now, I strongly believe that both BH and BB products are great tools for developing trading strategies. No coding required but creatively and persistence definitely helps!

Just my 2 cents.

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interesting, can you share an example of how Blackbird is helping u?

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interesting, can you share an example of how Blackbird is helping u?

Sure. On the BH/BB strategy I am currently working on, by merely setting a daily loss limit of $200, the profit factor increased from 1.33 to 2.05.



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I prefer to see a slimmed down version on NT8 sooner than waiting too long for a full-feature port. Please please hurry up.

Agreed. Jeremy, even if you can't get everything fully operational on Day One, please consider putting out a partial release in beta, even a limited, controlled-release beta so we can start getting a feel for it in NT8 and giving you feedback. As you undoubtedly know, many of your customers are being held back from enjoying all the other advantages of NT8 while we await BH and BB.

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interesting, can you share an example of how Blackbird is helping u?

PMJI, but I've found the Blackbird product even more valuable in my trading than Bloodhound, for the following reasons:
  • Removes emotion. Code your trading rules in the BH template and let it run.
  • Allows me to codify my trading rules separately per instrument instead of cobbling together notes and having to refer to them in the heat of battle while starting at a rapidly-moving DOM.
  • It allows me to run positions simultaneously on several instruments without the anxiety that I'm missing something on ES while I'm looking at a CL chart.

I could go on. I simply will not trade on NT8 until Blackbird is up and running smoothly. It's essential to my success.

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Hey PilotTrader,

I have found that scratch trades have really improved my bottom line. Having the ability to move your Stop from what ever it is to Breakeven +1 makes a big difference. Can you do this with Bloodhound?

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Hey PilotTrader,

I have found that scratch trades have really improved my bottom line. Having the ability to move your Stop from what ever it is to Breakeven +1 makes a big difference. Can you do this with Bloodhound?

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Not in Bloodhound but can easily be accomplished using Blackbird, which I currently utilize in a few of my strategies.

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Sure. On the BH/BB strategy I am currently working on, by merely setting a daily loss limit of $200, the profit factor increased from 1.33 to 2.05.



I been looking at both for your reasons stated in this and other posts. Looking to pick it up in the fall...

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Has anyone implemented BH with the footprint and other order flow type tools? I'd also be interested if it's possible with Bookmap or similar
Looking forward to the nt8 version.

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I been looking at both for your reasons stated in this and other posts. Looking to pick it up in the fall...

I stopped using this 2 years ago. The reason was that you could not acess the the build strategies code for walkforward test or any other test then standard backtest. Has this been fixed.

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Has anyone implemented BH with the footprint and other order flow type tools?
Looking forward to the nt8 version.

In the past we've tested order flow indicators from Gomi and maybe OFA and I seem to remember those indicators were compatible with BloodHound/BlackBird. It's been a while but they're probably still compatible.

If you search YouTube for "BloodHound Workshop Order Flow" you should find some videos on the topic.

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I am so looking forward to the release of NT8 versions of BloodHound and BlackBird. I have so many ideas to test and writing code for each one is time consuming at best. I tested the NT7 version a few years back and loved it but didn't have the funds for it at the time. Funds ready this time. LOL!
For those that do not know about it there is a webinar today at 415 pm eastern time US. Here is the link:

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I am so looking forward to the release of NT8 versions of BloodHound and BlackBird. I have so many ideas to test and writing code for each one is time consuming at best. I tested the NT7 version a few years back and loved it but didn't have the funds for it at the time. Funds ready this time. LOL!
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How much is the new version of both?

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How much is the new version of both?

Not sure yet. Should be covered in the webinar this afternoon. Web site indicates "special" pricing. We shall see what that means.

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Not sure yet. Should be covered in the webinar this afternoon. Web site indicates "special" pricing. We shall see what that means.

Have not been able to hold till the end as the webinar was as dull as it could possibly get and the problems with the visual. Did they reveal the price at the end? Some of the things i'd like to do is using it with volume profile but have not any ideas if it can do this. Not sure if it can interact with Rancho Dinero's volume profile tools? DO you know it?

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Have not been able to hold till the end as the webinar was as dull as it could possibly get and the problems with the visual. Did they reveal the price at the end? Some of the things i'd like to do is using it with volume profile but have not any ideas if it can do this. Not sure if it can interact with Rancho Dinero's volume profile tools? DO you know it?

As long as their indicators use a plot of some sort it should work. You can download the 30 day trial for free and test it to find out. There is a list of known incompatible indicators on their site: https://www.sharkindicators.com/documentation/indicators-that-dont-play-well-with-others/

Here is a link to the webinar special pricing: https://www.sharkindicators.com/nf/nt8intro/

Here is a link to download for NT8:https://www.sharkindicators.com/documentation/licensing/

You will have to run NT8 in Global Simulation mode for the free trial to work. Other than that it should work as normal.

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Not sure yet. Should be covered in the webinar this afternoon. Web site indicates "special" pricing. We shall see what that means.

$795 special gets the software for NT8 and several extras. A great deal.

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$795 special gets the software for NT8 and several extras. A great deal.

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"No" for NT7 and it won't be; nothing but bug fixes on NT7 from now on.

"Maybe" for NT8 but I wouldn't expect it for quite a while, realistically, because settling down and debugging their NT8 code, as well as making new functionality work, will be a huge job. They only released V.1.0 of Blackbird for NT8 yesterday (Aug. 24, 2018) and even Jeremy cautioned that no one should start live-money trading until they make triple-sure it works OK in Sim.

IMHO, the advantages of using BB/BH far outweigh the disadvantage of not having full backtest capabilities. I suggest you email Jeremy at Shark to discuss...I don't speak for him.

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Are the extras worth it? I am getting bloodhound but not sure if I should spend extra $300 for the extras.

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Are the extras worth it? I am getting bloodhound but not sure if I should spend extra $300 for the extras.

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Not in my opinion. The strategy packs are mediocre systems at best. I couldn't even get them to import into NT8. Keeps telling me that I don't have a proper installation of NT7. LOL! Some of them use indicators that they haven't even ported over to NT8 at this point.

I do like BloodHound though. Really nice for quit testing of system ideas.

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Not in my opinion. The strategy packs are mediocre systems at best. I couldn't even get them to import into NT8. Keeps telling me that I don't have a proper installation of NT7. LOL! Some of them use indicators that they haven't even ported over to NT8 at this point.

I do like BloodHound though. Really nice for quit testing of system ideas.

Thanks for the heads up!! Did you have a chance to backtest with the strategy packs? If so, how was the profit factor? I am still new to trading.

I guess I will save the money for blackbird then as PilotTrader said it is a game-changer for him with his screenshots.

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