Nope. Just read through the materials that they send with it. Several PDF files of strategies and what they are based on. Added indicators to my charts to match what was in the manuals and wasn't impressed with the results.
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When Sharkindicators folks had this on sale, I purchased these packs mainly to further my knowledge of using Bloodhound. IMO, it was worth it since I was able to understand and see how some of the solvers I have not used in the past actually worked in action.
Si provided workspace templates for these packs as a daily time frame. I tried various other time frames and was able to get profitable backtest results on one or two of these packs using uniRenko bars. (Yes, I know, one has to code exits properly to get the uniRenkos to backtest properly). Not yet to the point where I would trade with real money yet though, still tweaking.
Just my 2 cents on these strategy packs...
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this morning i've watched some intro-videos to get familier with bloodhound. But i've haven't seen anything about backtesting the created strategies? Is it not possible to backtest the new created systems with the common NT backtest + optimizing engine?
Is there really only one result value (-1 to 1) from the system? I would need additional values for stop- and target levels and so on.
In fact, there is no selled winning system in the world. But i don't meant any "ready" systems, i don't know the the company is selling any systems too.
My question targets the development process of strategies with Bloodhound. It seems that you can't produce full backtestable NT strategies as the result of the buildung process. You can only visualize your signal locations. That is, what i've seen so far.
Back testing is accomplished using NT Strategy Performance feature and/or doing Market Replay. I use both methods. You will not be able to optimize using NT Strategy Analyzer's Optimize feature however. To optimize, one will have to manually change Bloodhound solver parameter values via trial and error. That's how I do it at least.
As far as targets and stops are concerned, these are accomplished using Blackbird. One can also use Blackbird to trail stops, among other neat features.
Hope this helps.
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PilotTrader
P.S. Best way to figure out if Bloodhound and Blackbird will work for you would be to take the SharkIndicator 30-day free trial offer, IMO.
P.S. BTW, Bloodhound comes with a strategy called 'SiRaven'. With SiRaven, you will be able to backtest your Bloodhound templates where you can set entry parameters (i.e. market entry, limit, etc.) and specify fixed stops & targets, and limited Stop Loss trail. However, IMO, serious traders would really need to get Blackbird functionality to be able to trade optimally.
Thanks PilotTrader, for help me with that question. I think i don't give them a chance, because it's not fully integrated. It doesn't make sense to me to release 2 products to get one thing done.
You misunderstand the products. They are entirely different functionally...Bloodhound allows you to create "solvers" based on indicators, and code sophisticated logic between indicators to enable your strategy of entering and exiting trades. This is all accomplished within a visual programming interface. Blackbird does all of the trade management functions once you are ready to put on a trade. Very different capabilities. Watching the Shark webinars hosted by NinjaTrader will clarify those differences for you. They are fully integrated with one another.
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Thanks Geoff, i've get it now. It's still not my product, because my system development is more complex. So i also need the trade management parameter in an early stage.
will be great if BH developer clarify more aspects about parameters and modification I will to do into my custom indicators to get full working into BH system we are interested really to migrate our algorithms to BH software but we need to know the guide to fix some indicators source code to get ready into BH there is no way clear for me yet if we need provide public methods to draw functions or classes to get the signal available to Bh or giet visible using other parameters into BH or source code im developer and i wanna know it before try it as solution.
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Have question about Incoming Market Data Throttle in BlackBird. iF I understand it correctly its type of delay?A lower value increases how often BlackBird is updated, and may impact NinjaTrader performance. A higher value will decrease how often BlackBird is updated, and increase NinjaTrader performance. The value is the number of milliseconds that BlackBird waits between updates. The minimum value is 200 (ms). That means if i received signal first delay will be 250ms by NT8 chart update and than blackbird another 200ms for executions total 450ms. Is this correct?
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Hi guys,
It is my pleasure to welcome Jeremy Tang @ SharkIndicators for our 376th webinar event, on Thursday, January 23rd @ 4:30 PM Eastern US.
The title for the event is "Automated Trades That Mimic a Human Trader", and bullet points include:
Discretionary traders think auto traders suck, and vice versa. You're either team discretionary or team auto. But what if we told you it didn't matter. That you could have the best of both worlds. Regardless of your viewpoint you'd want to trade with the most sophisticated tools at your disposal, right? That's what we set out to build with BlackBird. Come see for yourself.
- Discover why the BlackBird trade manager has become an indispensable component to so many traders' toolkits.
- Learn why the entry is only a small part of the equation of a successful trade.
- This will be a focused demo session followed by an open Q&A.
I own some of their other indicators, I have never had a problem with tech support. Very timely, sometimes after hours I will get a response also. I would suspect, your email was lost in the shuffle.
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I used the support form that they have listed as a way to contact technical support. I'll try sending one directly to the email address. At least I can track exactly when I sent it...
I use Bloodhound and Black products for several years now. They always get back to me if I have questions. Plus They have work shops every thurs. and friday where you can ask questions
I've been with SharkIndicators since they began promoting BloodHound(setups) and Raven(trading) some years ago. Took Blackbird(trade manager) more years of development. I always use the support@sharkindicators.com for questions, although they do prefer a trader to use the support form because answers can be categorized and viewed by anyone in their forum. I have found using the email gets quicker responce, i.e. same day or within 24 hours. Questions relating to Bloodhound template configuration can be asked on Thursday and Blackbird on Friday. Registration for their free webinars are on their website. Of all the trading companies I've delt with in decades of trading I give them an "A" rating.
You say you are considering purchasing their products. You might ask them when they are having their next sales promotion. They have them several times a year and offer huge discounts for them individually or in packages. You might also ask for the last discounts they offered.
You said you contacted them via a technical support link. Not sure where you got that from. I usually just send them an email == their address is support@sharkindicators.com and I will receive an email confirmation back with a ticket number.
If you mail them with a question of how to make a strategy with your specific setup, well documented and, if possible, with screenpictures, then your question can, if desired, be handled in the webinar of thursday with full explanation of how to make your template. They will mail you the bloodhound template so you can use it. This is, in my eyes, an exellent support and service!
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Sometimes emails slip through the cracks. Perhaps a follow-up email letting them know you haven't received a response yet. Seem like a great group. Always respond quickly to my questions. And I ask some dumb questions sometimes.
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Thanks for bringing this to our attention. It looks like we did receive your questions and we have responded to both of your emails. Please check your spam folder. I will go ahead and PM you so hopefully we can get to the bottom of this.
Our website has a contact form, and sometimes our reply is "unexpected" by your email provider, and gets marked as spam. For that reason, using the direct email support@sharkindicators.com is best.
Thanks to everyone who replied saying we offer great support. That gives us motivation to keep our standards high.
Thanks to Keith for following up with me via PM. Still trying to determine what happened with the requests I sent via the contact form as I have checked all my email interfaces, spam folders, etc and cannot find any response.
The good news is I did use the direct support email address on a new request today. I received a "new ticket opened" confirmation fairly quickly. I got an answer to the question about 4 1/2 hours later so that is certainly reasonable response time.
I did down load the demo and was able to use Bloodhound to generate simple trade signals and then use Blackbird to"auto trade" those signals (in a sim account) with a simple trade management setup. Of course moving from "simple" to something useful will take more time but so for, so good....
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anyone know which time of the years they have a sale..and what the deals are...i am looking to get bloodhound (and possibly blackbird, but haven't found a usecase for it yet)....j
My understanding there sales are on sharkweek and blackfriday....but can't find any pricing what the pricing blodhound was last year, i did see the sale on blackbird..
There support is excellent. I had emailed them some questions about the product, and they went above and beyond to answer it, and get me the answers i need.
I just waiting for a sale to actually buy the product (bloodhound) where they include the advance strategy pack for free or something...
I am a user of Bloodhound and BlackBird since the end of December, and their Backtest Renko bars for a few weeks. I have sent many emails to support@sharkindicators.com. Mike is the one who usually answers, but keep in mind they are in Mountain time zone, and some of the replies come later than you might expect.
All my many questions have been answered. Also, on Thursdays they have live BloodHound webinars in which you can ask questions, and on Friday they have live BlackBird webinars. Zac runs these, and will even show you how to design strategies, especially if you email in advance.
There is a learning curve, but I have been able to build any strategy I can dream up, and right now I am in the process of creating SiBacktest Renko bar price action strategies.
I would buy the software again if I had to do it over.
Market Replay behaves much like live data, and doesn't suffer from the same limitations as Ninja's standard backtest behavior. So in that sense, no you wouldn't need the BacktestRenko bars. They're still popular for live trading because they give more control over their behavior than some other hybrid renko bars do.
I agree with what Keith said. I do like the SiBackTest Renko bars partly because I can backtest them. They can be drawn with backtest mode either on or off. When backtest mode is on, they look a lot like fairly ugly candlestick bars, but you can see where the actual open, highs, and lows of the bars occurred. This allows you to see what is actually going on behind the Renko.
However, one of the things I like most about them is that, with backtest mode turned off, the bars are highly configurable. I can not only define the brick size, but also the size of the reversal bricks and the number of ticks between each trend bar's high. Some bricks are drawn with only one tick from the high of the prior trend brick to the high of the next trend brick.
I personally don't like that brick appearance. For 4 tick Renko's for example, I like to use a 4 tick brick size, 4 ticks between the highs of each trend bar (making them appear uniform in size), and an 8 tick reversal. That way they look very much like the NinjaTrader Renko bar, but with tails to help define support and resistance. I also find that with these settings the bricks look similar with the backtest mode on or off, but even with the similar appearance, the backtest bars backtest accurately, while they do not test accurately if the backtest mode is turned off.
Market replay is different from backtesting. The reason traditional Renko bars cannot be backtested is that NinjaTrader assumes that the purchase price is at the open of the bar. But with Renko bars, all the bars appear to open at the the price indicated by the open of the bar as it is printed on the page. These are fake bars, and the actual open of the bar is usually someplace other than the printed open of the bar. The replay connection replays the actual open, high. low, and close of the bar, so you get filled at the actual open of the bar, not the printed open. On backtests, the fill is assumed to be at the printed open, like the open of a candlestick bar, rather than the actual real time open. Over the span of a backtest, even for a day's data for 4 tick Renkos, the results for standard Renkos are significantly better than what you would actually experience if real time. I did not fully appreciate this until I began using the SiBacktest Renkos.
-Rick
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It is my pleasure to welcome Jeremy Tang @ SharkIndicators for our 382nd webinar event, on Tuesday, April 28th @ 4:30 PM Eastern US.
The title for the event is "Lessons from a Veteran NinjaScript Developer", and bullet points include:
- Watch master developer Jeremy Tang code a NinjaScript indicator from scratch
- Tips and tricks on how to structure your indicator and make it organized and customizable
- How to develop your trading system using an alternative that requires no coding
- In depth Q&A, bring all your questions!
I just went to their YouTube channel ([yt]https://www.youtube.com/user/sharkindicators/videos/[/yt]) and didn't see this class, which I wasn't able to attend.
Does anyone have a link to their class replay either on their site or on futures.io?
Watching people code is actually very helpful, despite it seeming like it would suck. It doesn't.
I hope someone can spearhead more videos like this devoted to Ninja script. I know it's time consuming to prep the content and build the video, but it's gotta be good for the community as you build an on-ramp for people to get it more easily.
Kudos!
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I want to thank @SharkIndicators for sponsoring our June Journal Challenge!
They are giving away free fully-featured BloodHound licenses to ANY member who asks for one during the event. The licenses are fully-featured, but will expire on Nov 15 2020.
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Hi guys,
It is my pleasure to welcome Jeremy Tang and Zac White @ SharkIndicators for our 402nd webinar event, on Thursday, October 29th @ 4:30 PM Eastern US.
The title for the event is "15 Minute ABS (Automated Bot Setup)", and bullet points include:
- How regular traders are creating bots without knowing how to code
- How to get a bot to manage your trade like a discretionary human
- Why pre-planning trades is the secret weapon of successful traders
Wasn't there supposed to be a price special for members of Futures.io starting in November? I thought they were going to send out some kind of notification on this.
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BloodHound & BlackBird come with a 1 year maintenance period, during which you can install any updates that are released. After that period ends, you can continue using the latest version that came out before your maintenance period ended. If you would like to continue receiving the latest updates another 1 year maintenance period can be purchased for 155 USD or you can also change to an lifetime update for 720 USD.
Read an email to support for further details.
Greetings
Thanks and Greeting from Germany
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Thanks @Futuretrader2, that's accurate if you own BloodHound. If you own both products the price is 295 (which covers updates for both big products). These prices are subject to change, but they haven't changed in many years. If you're ever in doubt about anything, contact us so we have a chance to give you the full information before you decide to buy.
We'd rather have a happy non-customer than an unhappy customer. That's not always possible but it's an important everyday goal for us.
On a side note: we've had questions about the weekly workshops being cancelled last week. That was because of Thanksgiving. I believe Zac will be back starting tomorrow, and I'm working to get caught up on editing the recordings after our busy holiday season. See you guys in there.
