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I think I agree 100% with what you said with exception of the ‘f..’ word on your fourth bullet point (second item). The use of vulgarity always weakens someone’s point imho, and your points are too good for that.

You are right on this, I blame it on my choice of music yesterday
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I think there are several Al Brooks enthusiasts here (I count myself as one of them) who can't argue with that.

Indeed, I suspect that's part of the reason for some of the negative publicity: people want something that's "quick and easy to follow".

Whenever posting positively/supportively about Al Brooks and mentioning that I wouldn't be making a living at all, without having benefitted from his work, I've always mentioned that the books are hard to read and badly edited.





Clearly.





In this thread, some people have either tacitly assumed this to be so, or openly stated it, as you have yourself.

It isn't actually an objective statement at all: it's simply an interpretation, or a belief. It's opinion, not fact.

The silence from Al Brooks apparently tells some people that.

As Sam says, however, it doesn't really matter, since it apparently doesn't bother Al himself (or at least, he's decided - rightly, in my opinion - not to respond to it): the people who believe that presumably aren't potential Al Brooks customers anyway.

(Again, I'm not commenting on the trading room, having never seen it. I broadly agree with all the negative comments offered above, about "trading rooms" in general.)

Give me a break. Brooks claims to trade, he claims to trade what he teaches, he claims that he's a successful trader yet he can produce no proof. He's a dishonest, lying con artist. I have no problem if he markets his product as pure education. This is what price action is all about. Here's the theory and here are the patterns or ways to interpret a chart, no problem with that type of education product at all, but that's not what he's doing. He should be banned until he either produces proof of real trading or comes clean and says he doesn't trade.

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This is probably a pressure move from the website that does the reviews.

Don't have the facts? That's okay, just write something that puts the educator in the same category as the snake oil salesmen. The ball is now on the educator to prove them wrong, and if they don't bother then it taints their reputation.

Petty yes, but hey everyone has different ways of getting what they want.


What do you mean "Doesn't have the facts." Emmett did everything humanly possible to get "the facts" from Brooks but he wouldn't provide proof that he trades what he sells. He didn't provide that proof because he was unable to. Brooks doesn't trade the method that he sells.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Edit: I posted as BobWest posted. I agree, its just getting nowhere. We discussed above in another thread. Truly pro traders are rarely victims of deception by their very nature. Its not a fair world.


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Can we just have an end to all this now?

No one's opinion is going to be changed. No enthusiast of either (or any) side is going to budge. Nothing new is going to be said.



Let's just have an end, and agree that we don't agree, and move on.

Bob.

Isn't futuresIO a place where people don't get ripped off? Shouldn't there be some requirement that a vendor produce proof that what they are selling does what they claim it does? I think we can move on as long as out of all of this the bar for vendors being allowed to sell their product is lifted and they have to provide 3rd party verified proof that their product performs. All claims made by or implied by vendors need to be proven.

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This thread is moving into the "Trolling" category.

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Let's just have an end, and agree that we don't agree, and move on.

I didn't realise I was disagreeing with anybody, so I don't need to agree to and I'm not sure why you gave my two observational lines such short shrift, especially compared to some sermons that get posted. Honestly, observing forum herding behaviour just lately has been fascinating. If more took some peaceful time to do so they might figure a few other things out, like why the wave principle exists at all.

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I didn't realise I was disagreeing with anybody, so I don't need to agree to and I'm not sure why you gave my two observational lines such short shrift, especially compared to some sermons that get posted. Honestly, observing forum herding behaviour just lately has been fascinating. If more took some peaceful time to do so they might figure a few other things out, like why the wave principle exists at all.

Have a good weekend.

My mistake in what I was trying to utilize your words to convey. I wanted to say that I agreed with your point that all the analysis isn't going to change anyone's ideas.

I didn't mean to say anything about agreeing or not with you in terms of the controversy under way. I meant that it was time for the disputants, myself included, to move on, since nothing more was going to be said, and no one was going to be convinced.

Not that there was anything for you to agree to, or that I disagreed. That thought was not aimed at you.

I should have just bowed out a while ago, instead of adding to the heat here. I'll delete that post, since my meaning was unclear, and not add anything more to all this.

Sorry I didn't just do that sooner.

Your point about forum herd behavior is well-made, I'm afraid.

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What do you mean "Doesn't have the facts." Emmett did everything humanly possible to get "the facts" from Brooks but he wouldn't provide proof that he trades what he sells.

I think you answered your own question

What I meant by he doesn't have the facts, is that he is not in possession of the facts. I'm not stating whether he is right or wrong, because frankly I don't have the facts either.

Yes he tried to get them, but was unsuccessful. He can't confirm that Al is a trader or that he isn't. The best he can do is assume, and his post makes it clear that it's an assumption on what he believes. Everyone is entitled to their own assumption, but let's recognize that an assumption is just that, an assumption.



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He didn't provide that proof because he was unable to. Brooks doesn't trade the method that he sells.

That's a very big jump in logic to be honest.

Just because someone doesn't provide proof, doesn't mean they are guilty. I'm sure there's a name for that under one of the 100s of logical fallacies

There could be many reasons as to why he won't show proof. Being a fraud is one, prioritization of his personal matters over perceived credibility is another. And frankly it could be anything in between.

To be clear I'm on the side that says Al should provide proof as to whether or not he trades or just call himself a pundit. But I'm not one to let emotions trump logic because this is FIO and not reddit.

One thing is to have a reasonable argument between members based on logic, and another one is grabbing pitchforks and letting our emotions justify the hops in logic.

Let's keep FIO what it is, a great community.

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I didn't realise I was disagreeing with anybody, so I don't need to agree to and I'm not sure why you gave my two observational lines such short shrift, especially compared to some sermons that get posted. Honestly, observing forum herding behaviour just lately has been fascinating. If more took some peaceful time to do so they might figure a few other things out, like why the wave principle exists at all.

Have a good weekend.

Just a thought I had reading this, but I wonder if the forums become more hostile as the market becomes more volatile?

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