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Just took a look at the protradered.blogspot.com. Things have changed there. 'All trades are for educational purposes' is on the 1st line. 'No Refunds' on the 1st line.

The rest of the text sounds like some philanthropic foundation for the betterment of traders, with a few paintings thrown in.

You've got to love it !

As long as the key word 'education' is there you are home free. I see the link to alt blog is back on top. It looks like he changes his page again.

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Ed and his return to "teaching"

The Jaguar Trading Club's blog has been completely scrubbed. I wonder if Ed (or his attorney) understands that all of Ed's preexisting clients who joined the club and paid the fee, joined under the old blog page (and the contract at that time) and all its conditions (little to none). Changing the verbiage only affects new clients going forward. Changing the look and feel might make Ed feel better, but it is not what I encountered when I signed up. Additionally, if the old blog details were not preserved that makes legal action (in my opinion) a little easier for "disgruntled" members. I can only speak for myself, but I am not "cyber-bullying" as Ed has recently claimed some of us are. Everything I have pointed out is true and witnessed with my own eyes.

I do think Ed has plans to return to "teaching". He sent out an email describing his thoughts about everything that has happened. He said he is "closing down all public operations". I don't know what that means. Just a few months ago, during a webinar, he stated that he would no longer be accepting new customers and by the end of the presentation he was already making exceptions.

It is obvious to me that Ed does receive a fairly decent income from his blog. He claims he does not. If he does not make much income then why continue? He claims it is all about teaching others his profitable concepts. But, Ed (at least when I was in the room) constantly was taking vacations from the room. However, when he was on "vacation" and did not open the room, he still posted GS-type results to his blog daily. Posting "god-like" results while on vacation and ignoring his paying customers (most traders like to learn during live markets) was something that numerous members really disliked. If Ed loves to teach, he sure has a unique way of showing it.

I still want my money returned to me. I still want Ed banned from any further trader "teaching/education". Ed obviously reads futures.io (formerly BMT) and knows that there are several of us "disgruntled" members with strong determination to stop Ed from defrauding new clients. Ed, do everyone a favor and disappear from the trader education world. Recently you were posting results around $4K a day (everyday). My math says you make seven figures a year. Go out and enjoy all that trading income and cease your trading "education" business.

I also want to point out that Ed and The Jaguar Trading Club is no longer an Education Partner with NinjaTrader. That changed within the last week. I will not provide the details as to who did what. However, this is a solid step in removing Ed and the webinars he conducted that were designed to attract new customers.

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The Jaguar Trading Club's blog has been completely scrubbed. I wonder if Ed (or his attorney) understands that all of Ed's preexisting clients who joined the club and paid the fee, joined under the old blog page (and the contract at that time) and all its conditions (little to none). Changing the verbiage only affects new clients going forward. Changing the look and feel might make Ed feel better, but it is not what I encountered when I signed up. Additionally, if the old blog details were not preserved that makes legal action (in my opinion) a little easier for "disgruntled" members. I can only speak for myself, but I am not "cyber-bullying" as Ed has recently claimed some of us are. Everything I have pointed out is true and witnessed with my own eyes.

I do think Ed has plans to return to "teaching". He sent out an email describing his thoughts about everything that has happened. He said he is "closing down all public operations". I don't know what that means. Just a few months ago, during a webinar, he stated that he would no longer be accepting new customers and by the end of the presentation he was already making exceptions.

It is obvious to me that Ed does receive a fairly decent income from his blog. He claims he does not. If he does not make much income then why continue? He claims it is all about teaching others his profitable concepts. But, Ed (at least when I was in the room) constantly was taking vacations from the room. However, when he was on "vacation" and did not open the room, he still posted GS-type results to his blog daily. Posting "god-like" results while on vacation and ignoring his paying customers (most traders like to learn during live markets) was something that numerous members really disliked. If Ed loves to teach, he sure has a unique way of showing it.

I still want my money returned to me. I still want Ed banned from any further trader "teaching/education". Ed obviously reads futures.io (formerly BMT) and knows that there are several of us "disgruntled" members with strong determination to stop Ed from defrauding new clients. Ed, do everyone a favor and disappear from the trader education world. Recently you were posting results around $4K a day (everyday). My math says you make seven figures a year. Go out and enjoy all that trading income and cease your trading "education" business.

I also want to point out that Ed and The Jaguar Trading Club is no longer an Education Partner with NinjaTrader. That changed within the last week. I will not provide the details as to who did what. However, this is a solid step in removing Ed and the webinars he conducted that were designed to attract new customers.

You are right. Why am I bothering?

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You are right. Why am I bothering?

So Ed, you admit all of the allegations towards you, your teaching and website? Wow.

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You are right. Why am I bothering?

Nice to hear from you, we missed you

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Ed,

Please prove everyone on this thread wrong. I want to be proven wrong.

If you -
A) open your trade room on Monday to all
B) make 20 trades using 'your method', showing your DOM, proving that you are trading with real money in a live account
C) post 19 successful trades (which is a normal statistic for you over the last few months)
D) make all trades in the room, with you on the mic

I will -
A) apologize profusely
B) revoke my membership from this forum
C) shave my head in shame



Somehow, I think I will still be looking like Charles Manson this Christmas holiday


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@pvlee, Ed just should take a Topstep Combine. At least you get a verified 3rd party stats.
To tell you the truth, when he gets his head on straight I think he can pass it. To me ,to be a teacher/trainer passing it is a min. standard for anybody who takes $$ from others.

The sad part is that Ed has taken 70, well, its been more than that over the past 4 years, but to have 7 traders developed, not good. I think its less. You think if someone is paid to train, then training is the focus, but not Ed he for some reason blamed the students. I think its hard for Ed to do both well, trade and train/teach. I do not fault him in that, I fault him for blaming the students, as lazy. I know some that tried very hard, to become a student of his system, I was one.

I am not happy for being called a "cyber-bully" in his email to the students. We only made light on what we could prove, and we did. Nothing more, yet nothing less. We kept everything above board. That goes for @Tiger45, @opentrdr, @arafg, @Traderwolf. We took one liberity, and that was his paintings, well what do we know about paintings, really. Art appreciation 101, was a long time ago, and it was my only C in college.

We took this serious, we paid 3K to be told how lazy. etc. We just wanted to follow a trader who posted at first reasonable results, who may have took trading serious. When he took money he did do it too actually provide a quality service to the trading public? I hope he can get back to that, if that was ever his initial intentions.

If Ed really wants to Help traders, than he needs to read this thread and go back to what he initially promised in his blog and SF web sites. Good teachers, make hard subjects easier, I didn't say easy, just easier. It is always hard work, on both sides, when done correctly.
Trading like coaching: Good coaches, take average players and make them better with a lot of hard work on both sides

The question is, is Ed really a good coach? I cannot fully answer that, at this time I would have to say No since it seems he is in it for the income which he has gained through fraud due to his daily postings for the last 2 years..


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Ed,

Please prove everyone on this thread wrong. I want to be proven wrong.

If you -
A) open your trade room on Monday to all
B) make 20 trades using 'your method', showing your DOM, proving that you are trading with real money in a live account
C) post 19 successful trades (which is a normal statistic for you over the last few months)
D) make all trades in the room, with you on the mic

I will -
A) apologize profusely
B) revoke my membership from this forum
C) shave my head in shame



Somehow, I think I will still be looking like Charles Manson this Christmas holiday



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Ed,

Please prove everyone on this thread wrong. I want to be proven wrong.

If you -
A) open your trade room on Monday to all
B) make 20 trades using 'your method', showing your DOM, proving that you are trading with real money in a live account
C) post 19 successful trades (which is a normal statistic for you over the last few months)
D) make all trades in the room, with you on the mic

I will -
A) apologize profusely
B) revoke my membership from this forum
C) shave my head in shame



Somehow, I think I will still be looking like Charles Manson this Christmas holiday

I have been picking away at this entire thread over the last few days. It is clear that the vendor in question should join the incessant low life pool of shills, scammers and grifters that are scattered across the web, promising trading education and trading riches.

It disgusts me that people like this exist and take glee in fleecing genuine people wishing to get a helping hand in their trading education. It is shame this happens all too often and I myself have have fell victim to it in the past.

He is clearly not a trader. Never has been and never will be, but has managed to fly under the radar until recently.

The truth never goes away, and it always comes out. Looks like it's game over for this vendor.

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This is what Ed posted and deleted:

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So Ed, you admit all of the allegations towards you, your teaching and website? Wow.

Absolutely not. But of course you know this.

If you want us to make you look like what you deserve for being a fraud...keep it up!

We only stopped because we wanted too since you took down your fraudulent site postings. We have more to show the viewing public. It will be your call. You outright fraud!

Absolutely Not....Trade what you see? LOL, right! How about a 6k day, by using the look what I did using the remove drop down on NT7. Please do not get us started again, go back into the wood work, and take a time out. Remember, we let you off easy, this time. Ed Abreu, the Fraud (is a good keyword search). Remember, based on your fraud in the room and out they want thier money back!

Just because you deleted your fraudulent posts, doesn't mean they are gone. Isn't screen captures wonderful.


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...It is clear that the vendor in question should join the incessant low life pool of shills, scammers and grifters that are scattered across the web, promising trading education and trading riches.

It disgusts me that people like this exist and take glee in fleecing genuine people wishing to get a helping hand in their trading education. It is shame this happens all too often and I myself have have fell victim to it in the past.

He is clearly not a trader. Never has been and never will be, but has managed to fly under the radar until recently...

Yes, that was what made me post in this thread too.

As an outsider, I do not wish to create unnecessary posts as we all know there are always two sides to a story. But it became very clear and troubling that Ed's students have VALID reasons for exposing Ed as a fraud.

Ed's subsequent actions and behaviour seriously indicate that he is trying to hide evidence, instead of defending his teachings.

Even more indicative is that Optimus Futures and NinjaTrader took actions to dissociate themselves from him.

But what really galls me is that Ed claimed that he could get Big Mike to reveal the futures.io (formerly BMT) members in this thread. With such a claim, he is insulting the integrity of the futures.io (formerly BMT) forum.


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... Right after this thread began Ed got upset and tried to get other members to rat out anyone posting here and then he said he and Big Mike went way back and he would get Big Mike to tell him who the posters were...

Up till today, Ed has NOT refuted that statement made by arafg, nor any of the charges made against him in this thread.

@Jaguar52, are you going to refute the charges against you? Or are you going to continue to enrich yourself with your scheme to con traders with your lies?

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