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A new finance platform from Wolfram (power behind Mathematica) has just launched

Take a look:
Wolfram Finance Platform: Ultimate Financial Computation Environment

Depending on the final price - this may be quite big thing for algorithmic trading, but not only!

From the announcement email:

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Since founding Wolfram Research 25 years ago, we've applied
ultimate computation to transform a range of different fields.
The reason I was keen to get in touch today was because of our
plans to do this in finance.

In the 90s, our Mathematica technology transformed the R&D
process. It's been used extensively in financial modeling.

Then, in the late 00s, we released our Wolfram|Alpha technology
by applying computation to knowledge to transform answer delivery
(which for example powers knowledge queries in Apple's Siri
intelligent assistant).

Today we are introducing Wolfram Finance Platform--applying
ultimate computation to transform enterprise computation,
development, and reporting in finance:
https://www.wolfram.com/finance-platform

Let me know more about your ideas to incorporate Wolfram Finance
Platform into your current projects, and I'll ask a member of our
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So is anyone using this finance platform or regular Mathematica in their analysis...?

I just bought the regular version (1 gig download) and going to try and get real time input via DDE from metatrader. (this is how you get real-time to MS excel) I will give some feed back on this next week. Curious now that they have wavelets if there is something usable here for a retail guy.
https://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/new-in-8/wavelet-analysis/

Wanted to see if anyone else has some input...

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So is anyone using this finance platform or regular Mathematica in their analysis...?

I just bought the regular version (1 gig download) and going to try and get real time input via DDE from metatrader. (this is how you get real-time to MS excel) I will give some feed back on this next week. Curious now that they have wavelets if there is something usable here for a retail guy.
https://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/new-in-8/wavelet-analysis/

Wanted to see if anyone else has some input...

I'm using both Mathematica and MATLAB for schoolwork (only sporadically since the end of last year, so I'm by no means very experienced), but I haven't used them much for trading purposes. I found Excel and R more suitable for my needs.

I like the syntax of Mathematica, and the visualizations are beautiful. I was also interested in its symbolic capabilities for options modelling, but I never got around to doing much with it. The time series package seemed decent enough. I've yet to try the "Finance Platform", which looks interesting, but I assume that it's relatively expensive.

I ended up learning to program instead, and I'm now working, albeit quite slowly, on my own application. As I'm after something very specific, but rather simplistic, it makes more sense to build it from scratch. I still intend to use any of the other tools for rapid prototyping.

On a different note, the new "SystemModeler" (MathModelica) looks very cool and I look forward to playing with it.

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I bet the capabilities and options are incredible, but the ease of use is terrible.

Usually with platforms...simple and intuitive = limited and vast and flexible = ph.D to operate

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To be fair, Mathematica has had a (free) link to Bloomberg for years, and Mathematica is also compatible with RMDS.

I found MATLAB easier to use for trading-related analysis, and MathWorks have made numerous videos that help one get started quickly. The problem with MATLAB is that it is too expensive for most (?) on this board. While Mathematica discounts its product for hobbyists, MATLAB only has student/academic or commercial editions. This means that Mathematica will set one back $295, while MATLAB, with the appropriate toolboxes, costs at least $10 000.

Personally, I'd take a look at Python ( Python Data Analysis Library — pandas: Python Data Analysis Library) and/or R ( The R Project for Statistical Computing and RStudio) instead, at least for the kind of data analysis I do. I'm surprised that more aren't using F#, but this ( Announcing the F# R Type Provider BlueMountain Capital Tech Blog) is a good start. Of course, I'm still waiting for the rest of the world to realize that LISP is the ultimate language, for all purposes, (https://www.stat.auckland.ac.nz/~ihaka/downloads/Compstat-2008.pdf), but I'm not holding my breath.

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( @Lornz, you're not alone. I'm a big fan of Scheme. Never used it for trading, though. )

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( @Lornz, you're not alone. I'm a big fan of Scheme. Never used it for trading, though. )

Awesome! I'd never been interested in programming, but the MIT SICP lectures blew me away. Incredible stuff! God wrote in LISP!



On a different note, if anyone is interested in learning R (and statistics and computational finance), check out these courses offered by Coursera:

https://www.coursera.org/course/stats1

https://www.coursera.org/course/compfinance

https://www.coursera.org/course/compinvesting1

There's really no excuse for not learning this stuff anymore. I just wish they had offered it 10 years ago, when I got started...

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God wrote in LISP!

When I think LISP the only thing I see is nested functions and Polish notation - are you suggesting God is Polish?

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Are you trying to say Jesus Christ had a lisp?

"Are you trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curve ball?" -Harris

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Haha, I was referring to this:



I hadn't seen this before, but it miraculously appeared as a related video. I guess it confirms that too many parentheses will fry one's brain!



I actually find that the syntax more closely resembles how I really think than any other programming language, but I am not exactly the pinnacle of mental stability, so I might not be the best benchmark...



P.S. Everybody knows that God is Polish!

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LISP = Lost In Superfluous Parentheses

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Preview Wolfram Finance Platform, the new ultimate computation
environment for finance. This free online workshop provides you
with the opportunity to see the technology stack that will
dramatically improve your workflow.

Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012
New York time: 9am-noon EST
London time: 2-5pm GMT

Join us online for a keynote address by Conrad Wolfram,
presentations by Mathematica and finance experts, and time for
Q&A. Virtual seats are limited--see the event schedule and
register now:
Wolfram Training: Wolfram Finance Platform Virtual Workshop 2012

Please feel free to pass this information along to your team,
coworkers, and anyone in your network who might be interested in
Wolfram Finance Platform.

Regards,


Wolfram Training

Let's see what they've cooked

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So is anyone using this finance platform or regular Mathematica in their analysis...?

I just bought the regular version (1 gig download) and going to try and get real time input via DDE from metatrader. (this is how you get real-time to MS excel) I will give some feed back on this next week. Curious now that they have wavelets if there is something usable here for a retail guy.


Wanted to see if anyone else has some input...

I have had a chance to experiment with wavelets in matlab, for stocks analysis, the only problem is wavelet decomposition seem to use zero phase capabilities . making it impossible to use in case of time series data. It is best with offline data ....
did any one else happen to experience the same .. ?

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There will be a virtual seminar today, where the new Wolfram Finance Platform 2 will be presented:
https://www.wolfram.com/events/new-in-finance-platform-2013/

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Here's a good read on the Wolfram Finance Platform and using Bloomberg/Mathematica together in general:

Bloomberg to Mathematica | monkeywrench

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Hiya,




Anyone purchased the 'Wolfram Finance Platform' as Individual or Student and do they know the price breakdown with/without options, plugins, AI, etc? With/without refinitiv-data, or other tick data providers?


Tnx and bets of luck

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I just discovered this thread, which is quite old. Any updates? is there someone using Wolfram's product.

I looked at their website, I used to wolfram's Mathematica quite often at the university but that was 12 years ago.

For what I understood this is interesting only for "highly theoretical experiments", I don't know if you can actually generate trading system from Wolfram's application.

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I just discovered this thread, which is quite old. Any updates? is there someone using Wolfram's product.

I looked at their website, I used to wolfram's Mathematica quite often at the university but that was 12 years ago.

For what I understood this is interesting only for "highly theoretical experiments", I don't know if you can actually generate trading system from Wolfram's application.


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No one replied me either. I'm going to start a new thread for this.




Tnx and best of luck
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I have heard a good news about Mathematica and thus I interested in Wolfram Finance platform. Per my inquiry the platform costs about 10K EUR for annual license and its needs about 2K+ data fee. Can someone confirm if there is possibility to use a cheaper license and on what grounds can we request hat license?(Mainly for FX market)

At the end, how much this program is useful for creating and developing strategies and analyzing the RoI of invested capital under that scheme? Will it calculate VaR etc? And how much its useful overall depending to lowest available fully featured license for application and data feeds costs?(Mainly for FX market)



Insightful professional advanced response very welcome here. Feel free to talk like top leading edge technology researcher and we will contribute.


Also please advise how this can be compared to MATLAB based analysis of financial markets? (Mainly FX)




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No one replied me either. I'm going to start a new thread for this.




Tnx and best of luck
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That's a good idea!! Thanks a lot.

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I have heard a good news about Mathematica and thus I interested in Wolfram Finance platform. Per my inquiry the platform costs about 10K EUR for annual license and its needs about 2K+ data fee. Can someone confirm if there is possibility to use a cheaper license and on what grounds can we request hat license?(Mainly for FX market)

At the end, how much this program is useful for creating and developing strategies and analyzing the RoI of invested capital under that scheme? Will it calculate VaR etc? And how much its useful overall depending to lowest available fully featured license for application and data feeds costs?(Mainly for FX market)



Insightful professional advanced response very welcome here. Feel free to talk like top leading edge technology researcher and we will contribute.


Also please advise how this can be compared to MATLAB based analysis of financial markets? (Mainly FX)

Tnx and best of luck
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I am currently using Mathematica for other reasons and I am paying 22USD per month, I use the online platform which is a lot cheaper than buying or renting the desktop version. Apparently their finance platform is a completely separate product. I have been looking around and there is not much material to understand what can actually be done through the platform.
That is in itself is a bad signal for me because if it's not much advertised, I guess there will be few choices to integrate the platform with brokers.

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Sorry that I don't have any info on the finance platform.

@SBtrader82, not sure if you've heard of this. You can get a free copy of Mathematica by purchasing a RPi and installing raspbian. I have a Pi4 and have Mathematica v12 on it. With the case and all the fixins it was a little over $100.

Edit: install xrdp on the pi and you can remote desktop to it. That's what I do.

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Sorry that I don't have any info on the finance platform.

@SBtrader82, not sure if you've heard of this. You can get a free copy of Mathematica by purchasing a RPi and installing raspbian. I have a Pi4 and have Mathematica v12 on it. With the case and all the fixins it was a little over $100.

Edit: install xrdp on the pi and you can remote desktop to it. That's what I do.

Wow!! Thanks a lot, I really didn't know.

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I am currently using Mathematica for other reasons and I am paying 22USD per month, I use the online platform which is a lot cheaper than buying or renting the desktop version. Apparently their finance platform is a completely separate product. I have been looking around and there is not much material to understand what can actually be done through the platform.
That is in itself is a bad signal for me because if it's not much advertised, I guess there will be few choices to integrate the platform with brokers.




Hiya @SBtrader82






Thanks. The thing that concerns me is, if the platform of Wolfram Finance worth its fee, and will it give me a better analysis approach than previously developed applications. While my concerns are if a platform like Metastock can be the same as useful as this Wolfram Finance or not?
The bad aspect of Metastock is its paid plugins and indicators and systems, while everything costs hundreds to thousands to purchase(if you pay for a well-developed plug, indicator, system product) will it worth the money? Also, the cost of purchasing the platform and monthly data feeds ix an extra charge over it.
Comparing to MT4 that 99% of items written for it are publicly available.

Also, there will be a learning curve and time that spend on learning how to develop your ideas into code in Wolfram Finance, but I don't know will if it worth it? This is the second cost after the platform's cost and its data feeds cost.

I always look to find the best of the best technical analysis platform and I couldn't find it yet? Technical analysis platforms do you use?



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Sorry that I don't have any info on the finance platform.

@ SBtrader82, not sure if you've heard of this. You can get a free copy of Mathematica by purchasing a RPi and installing raspbian. I have a Pi4 and have Mathematica v12 on it. With the case and all the fixins it was a little over $100.

Edit: install xrdp on the pi and you can remote desktop to it. That's what I do.




Hiya @ brach






Thanks. What is special about R-Pi? There is slimline portable mini-PC and lightweight laptops that can do much better in mobile computing. If you don't mind, may I ask what do you exactly implement this R-Pi for?



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No one replied me either. I'm going to start a new thread for this.




Tnx and best of luck
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That's a good idea!! Thanks a lot.

I can understand the frustration of not getting any interest, but it actually is not a good idea to create a new thread to generate more interest in the topic. It simply fragments the topic between different threads, which can make the topic harder to follow. We discourage, and generally close, duplicate threads, to prevent a split topic.

Since the new thread has gone on for long enough to accumulate a number of posts, I have copied all those posts over to this original thread on the Wolfram Finance Plarform. They have been inserted here in date order, so some may appear out of sequence with a few of the recent posts in this thread.

I am closing the new thread to prevent a split topic.

It's perfectly understandable to want to revive interest this way, but your new posts here will bring the topic to people's attention if they have an interest.

I'm also moving this thread from "Platforms and Indicators," its original location, to "Trading Reviews and Vendors," which better indicates its purpose.

Hopefully there will be more interest in this topic going forward.

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Hi @Blonde

Mostly it's mostly for hobby / learning. I have an electronics kit that I can try various projects with to learn more about that topic. I use the Mathematica sometimes. Other than that it's available in case I need another computer to run stuff on e.g. some long-running process or utility.

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I don't know about the finance platform, but anything by Wolfram is excellent. Mathematica is an indispensable tool in all the sciences, particularly physics which is what I use it for. The big advantage is that the tutorials are great and there's a community for support. You'll find a lot of very interesting people in the community.

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