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 bellair 
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He has a free IRC chat room, but you need to register with him first. I'm still evaluating but so far have a positive feel about it. He has a pit trader background and I haven't seen his style of trading before. For example he thinks the TF leads the market much of the time. I like that he trades only a couple of hours during the opening and calls the trades beforehand with stop placement, and so far it looks like right-hand side of the chart live trading.

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Bellair I took Will's course many years ago. I can honestly say that he is the most honest and best educators I have seen trading futures. His track record is also the ONLY truly accurate one I have ever seen and yes he does trade LIVE money. He is a better trader than me. He always seems to make money almost every day. His method is not for the faint of heart as most of his trades can be fading extreme price moves, but not all. It is a real education though with a real book that he authored. It is not based on indicators like all the others out there people are pushing. I still check in to his room every so often.
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Bellair I took Will's course many years ago. I can honestly say that he is the most honest and best educators I have seen trading futures. His track record is also the ONLY truly accurate one I have ever seen and yes he does trade LIVE money. He is a better trader than me. He always seems to make money almost every day. His method is not for the faint of heart as most of his trades can be fading extreme price moves, but not all. It is a real education though with a real book that he authored. It is not based on indicators like all the others out there people are pushing. I still check in to his room every so often.
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I know I'm raising this from the dead, but would you say he made you a successful trader? And if so, why do you only check in every so often?

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 exptrader 
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On his web site he says he opens up his chat room to new members for free every once in a while. Has anyone ever gained access to his chat room without paying for his course? How often does he open up the chat room?

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On his web site he says he opens up his chat room to new members for free every once in a while. Has anyone ever gained access to his chat room without paying for his course? How often does he open up the chat room?

I think he normally does it between training about every 10 weeks. I wanted to go to the latest trial but he said he needed to start a new class immediately so he didn't have a trial last time. I think it's probably been about 5 weeks or so since he started the new class.

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I'd be interested in seeing this chat room once it opens up again. According to his daily blog it seems like he makes money just about every single day.

For anyone who has paid for his $3000 course, does that give you lifetime access to his chat room, or does your access expire at some point?

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Bellair I took Will's course many years ago. I can honestly say that he is the most honest and best educators I have seen trading futures. His track record is also the ONLY truly accurate one I have ever seen and yes he does trade LIVE money... I still check in to his room every so often.
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@longboat, hope you can respond to the recent questions in this thread. I would be interested too, if Will opens his chat room again.

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Ok I will try to respond to some questions. Yes if you pay for his course you do get Lifetime access to his room and you can take the course as many times as you want.
Will usually opens up the room after he does a webinar, which is rare. I would suggest that you email him your real name and email address and he will respond. He will tell you how or when you can get in the room. He is a totally a straight forward guy. No hard sell. He is a successful trader that doesn't need the income from teaching, so be honest with him. That is all he requires. He will not badger you with follow up emails to buy anything.
He calls his trades in advance, but you won't understand why or where unless you take the course. He will call out his fill price and when he he moves his stop or closes some of the position. You could follow him , but it would be risky not understanding where to place your order, but you would get a feel of the room.
Will is very honest.
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 exptrader 
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A few weeks ago I emailed them and got a form response saying the chat room would open up again "sometime in the coming weeks".

Looking at the daily blog though, Will seems to do a lot of scalping for small profits. I'm not sure if it'd be possible for others in the chat room to replicate his performance, since there would be some delay for him to post his entries and you to submit your trades.

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I emailed them yesterday and got the same response. As far as "scalping" note the TF is listed in points not ticks. So 4.0 points is 40 ticks per contact times 2 (if that is what you trade) is $800 for the TF in the day. I could live on that

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Had a 30 minute phone call with Will yesterday. Seems like a straight-forward guy. They no longer offer the Chat Room free to the public so you can no longer "try before you buy". So I was wondering if anyone here purchased his course and if so, what is your feedback? Was the course worth it? You can either reply here or PM me if that makes you more comfortable. Really appreciate it.

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Had a 30 minute phone call with Will yesterday. Seems like a straight-forward guy. They no longer offer the Chat Room free to the public so you can no longer "try before you buy". So I was wondering if anyone here purchased his course and if so, what is your feedback? Was the course worth it? You can either reply here or PM me if that makes you more comfortable. Really appreciate it.

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Just curious if you signed up for the course?

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Just curious if you signed up for the course?


Yes - I have signed an NDA (a requirement if you take Will's course) so I can't say much about it other than I am learning a totally different way of trading and I that I am happy I signed up.

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More reviews about Will could be find here:
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More reviews about Will could be find here:
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Got a more specific link than that? I'm not familiar with The Marketplace@IB and how to find more on him there.

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Please, can anybody confirm the trades published in ValhallaFutures are the one actually taken in the room ?
I mean, I would prefer to see the NT/Control Center image captured instead of smth written by hand.

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Please, can anybody confirm the trades published in ValhallaFutures are the one actually taken in the room ?
I mean, I would prefer to see the NT/Control Center image captured instead of smth written by hand.

I agree. Hand written trades without time stamps don't seem to be real enough for me.

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Open up the chart and and mark the trades, you will see how he trades, the style is very aggressive, for example after stopped out short he immediately goes long at some areas.



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I agree. Hand written trades without time stamps don't seem to be real enough for me.


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Open up the chart and and mark the trades, you will see how he trades, the style is very aggressive, for example after stopped out short he immediately goes long at some areas.

This is why it wouldn't be possible to follow his trades. Based on his blog, looks like he uses very tight stops (a point or less). TF frequently jumps 1-2 points in less than a minute, so by the time he's posted his trade and you enter the trade, he's probably already out of the trade and going in the opposite direction!

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Exptrader I dont know if youve taken time to go to his site and to listen to his webinars.. He clearly states he posts his trades well ahead of time with the codes that his members will understand. He explains this in detail on these. Having spoken to a few of his students they all say its quite easy to follow his methodology if you know what he' s looking at- hence the training to recognize the upcoming trades. There is nothing complicated about a stop and reverse trade as long as its executed ahead of time with proper parameters.

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ironman, thanks for explaining that. I will take a closer look at the material on his web site.

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If you look at his first 2 TF trades on Mon Oct 20, 2014 it seems like it would of been difficult to get the 2pts on his first TF trade (1086.7 and 1086.5) and then still pull off the next TF trade (1087.2 and 1086.5) on that next higher high fade. Can anyone see what I am talking about? The first trade doesn't look like it went down to 1084.7 or 1084.5 to get that 2 pts. At least not with the data on my chart. (Ninja).

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I don't know what is wrong with this guy from Valhalla, you may judge yourself upon my story:
I contacted him by his site and after an email we talk on Skype for about 1 hour.
After that call we agree to continue the collaboration and he send me an excerpt from his book and ask me about my opinion about what he wrote there. Meanwhile I was reading his book I ask him if he can provide something more accurate than his blog writings about the trade he takes. Since I understood from him he is using Ninja I ask him if he can provide imagine from his Ninja Control Center as those available on Jaguar Trading blog.
After this email he answer he can not provide such a thing and then never answer on any further emails nor Skype messages nor call tentatives from my side.
So, my advice is go find yourself a mentor that can provide a certified trade log statistics since there are more these days than used to be a few years ago and do not pay up front huge amount of money based on trades logged on a blog. Don't invest in someone who can't prove he deliver at least for himself what promised to teach you.
There are mentors who can provide Ninja Account performance posted during the trading day , mentors with verifiable trading log during trials even mentors who will charge you based upon your trading results.
Maybe he is a genuine trader and his only problem is a big ego (how could a future student to ask for performance proof ?) but big egos are usually poor teachers.

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I don't know what is wrong with this guy from Valhalla, you may judge yourself upon my story:
I contacted him by his site and after an email we talk on Skype for about 1 hour.
After that call we agree to continue the collaboration and he send me an excerpt from his book and ask me about my opinion about what he wrote there. Meanwhile I was reading his book I ask him if he can provide something more accurate than his blog writings about the trade he takes. Since I understood from him he is using Ninja I ask him if he can provide imagine from his Ninja Control Center as those available on Jaguar Trading blog.
After this email he answer he can not provide such a thing and then never answer on any further emails nor Skype messages nor call tentatives from my side.
So, my advice is go find yourself a mentor that can provide a certified trade log statistics since there are more these days than used to be a few years ago and do not pay up front huge amount of money based on trades logged on a blog. Don't invest in someone who can't prove he deliver at least for himself what promised to teach you.
There are mentors who can provide Ninja Account performance posted during the trading day , mentors with verifiable trading log during trials even mentors who will charge you based upon your trading results.
Maybe he is a genuine trader and his only problem is a big ego (how could a future student to ask for performance proof ?) but big egos are usually poor teachers.

Will actually trades on IB. He uses Ninja for charting. I don't know that many mentors that will show you their personal statements. Besides they can be altered. For example you point to the Jaguar Trading Blog site. In reading that futures.io (formerly BMT) review recently, it sounds like something fishy may have been going on there. So I hope you do your own due diligence and don't just rely on published results in determining what is right for you.

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Yes - I have signed an NDA (a requirement if you take Will's course) so I can't say much about it other than I am learning a totally different way of trading and I that I am happy I signed up.

Hi @BeachTrader,

May I ask you for an update on your brief review on Will/Valhalla Futures?

Not asking for anything about his method or system, but more in terms of integrity and fulfilling what he offers.

Btw, does he run a live trading room for his members?

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Will actually trades on IB. He uses Ninja for charting. I don't know that many mentors that will show you their personal statements. Besides they can be altered. For example you point to the Jaguar Trading Blog site. In reading that futures.io (formerly BMT) review recently, it sounds like something fishy may have been going on there. So I hope you do your own due diligence and don't just rely on published results in determining what is right for you.

I don't know if statement in Ninja can be altered or not , as they are published during the day the trades occur, but at least at Jaguar you can pay 50 bucks per month to see Edwin trading before paying him 3k upfront.
Or, you can go to TheTradingClan and pay them 199 per month (or wait till they have the free week) to see if their long trade log is true or not.
Beside this, a trading log can tell you more than if a system is profitable or not: since you may have access to see DD and MAE so you can see if the system fits you since you may make a lot of money but big losses can be hard to swallow.

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I took Wills course many years ago and learned a lot about market context. Most days are winners for him but no method is perfect. I he took a couple of losses in a row he would change to Sim and see how the next couple turned out before resuming live. This would help shake off the feelings of losing money and bring back confidence. You don't need to make several $K per day to be successful. At the end of the trading day he would go over every trade taken and examine what happened, with the room. This is something most traders never do. The daily tally of wins and losses are accurate.

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Hi @BeachTrader,

May I ask you for an update on your brief review on Will/Valhalla Futures?

Not asking for anything about his method or system, but more in terms of integrity and fulfilling what he offers.

Btw, does he run a live trading room for his members?


I have been with Will for several months now. His system is very unique to anything other trading I have done before. More like Elliot Wave but not really. Anyway, I enjoyed his classes and learned a lot. Not only does he teach you his method but goes further into market structure, trading plan, etc. You can re-attend as much as you want. He does have a mIRC room where he calls out his trades in print. But you need to take his course and have your own charts up to understand the calls. Will is a really good trader. I cannot achieve the same results as him because he has a great feel for reading the tick charts to refine his entries and exits. But I am still happy with my results. But as @Cristian pointed out, he is not for everyone and limits the number of people he accepts into his program.

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I don't know if statement in Ninja can be altered or not , as they are published during the day the trades occur, but at least at Jaguar you can pay 50 bucks per month to see Edwin trading before paying him 3k upfront.
Or, you can go to TheTradingClan and pay them 199 per month (or wait till they have the free week) to see if their long trade log is true or not.
Beside this, a trading log can tell you more than if a system is profitable or not: since you may have access to see DD and MAE so you can see if the system fits you since you may make a lot of money but big losses can be hard to swallow.

Then from Jaguar Trading Club Site:

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Anyway, let me give you a hint about all these paid trials many of you may not know :
Paying for trials is a hook because if you then make another payment (for bigger, much bigger, amount in many cases) you will not receive a refund from your credit card company upon your request without the payment receiver approval. The credit card company will inform the supplier about the refund request and the supplier will make known you made past payments to him for same purpose and since you know what you will receive for your money your complain is false.

Cristian, sounds like in your first quote above you are recommending finding mentors who let you try a week or a month to see if their results are valid, and then in your following post from Jaguar Trading Club thread you seem to contradict yourself by saying that paying for a trial is a hook to eventually rip you off (my words). Kind of confusing.

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Dear @eDanny and @BeachTrader,

Many thanks for your helpful comments!

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Then from Jaguar Trading Club Site:


Cristian, sounds like in your first quote above you are recommending finding mentors who let you try a week or a month to see if their results are valid, and then in your following post from Jaguar Trading Club thread you seem to contradict yourself by saying that paying for a trial is a hook to eventually rip you off (my words). Kind of confusing.

Sorry it sound confusing. No doubt you may ask for a trial but the trail can be free not only paid. TraderShark has free trial and TheTradingClan too.
In case you paid for trail keep eyes wide open during the trial period because if you will pay further the full course you may have hard times to get a refund.
An work around for these, which I advice, is to use a second CC for the trials (ask a friend, or use one from another bank and other financial services -Visa vs. Mastercard) this way the two payments can not be linked.

Another point to look for into a Trading room is to see if members can freely speak at the mic or at least chat to each other privately (not only to the moderator or only to Everyone chat). This one show transparency. This only characteristic can give you 95% chances to be in a authentic trading room.

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I have been with Will for several months now. His system is very unique to anything other trading I have done before. More like Elliot Wave but not really. Anyway, I enjoyed his classes and learned a lot. Not only does he teach you his method but goes further into market structure, trading plan, etc. You can re-attend as much as you want. He does have a mIRC room where he calls out his trades in print. But you need to take his course and have your own charts up to understand the calls. Will is a really good trader. I cannot achieve the same results as him because he has a great feel for reading the tick charts to refine his entries and exits. But I am still happy with my results. But as @Cristian pointed out, he is not for everyone and limits the number of people he accepts into his program.

So with the Elliot Wave reference you are talking about his patented indicator Serial Sequent Wave Method? In some of his videos he mentions that he believes he is not a real good trader. And that he has taught others to be better than him with his method. Do you find this to be true? And when he does his recap is it right after he is done trading for the day or later on after the market close?

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So with the Elliot Wave reference you are talking about his patented indicator Serial Sequent Wave Method? In some of his videos he mentions that he believes he is not a real good trader. And that he has taught others to be better than him with his method. Do you find this to be true? And when he does his recap is it right after he is done trading for the day or later on after the market close?


Correct about Serial Sequent. And Will is a great trader. He makes few mistakes but readily admits them and will note them in his journal. He normally posts his journal after he is done trading for the day.

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Trading the way Will does looks kind of scary. He seems to be picking tops and bottoms a lot. I know the way he manages his trades the way he does allows him to do this but it still looks scary.

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His market knowledge is great, I like his support and resistance indicators. I will post a more in depth evaluation when I have more time. So just a quick eval and recommendation. DO NOT SPEND YOUR MONEY. yes he has a chat room that he kind of calls his trades out ahead of time. This is an example of how it sounds when he makes a trade call- "selling the next push up" then next reply something like this "Filled at 10.09". OK, so i am looking at the chart (my chart) and thinking how did he get that fill at the top of the bar to the tick and it was only there for a split second. Then his next reply "out at 10.01, + .8. Well this is all great except you never see him make the trade, he just calls out trades very close to the example I gave you. Very rare VERY RARE does he say will sell at 10.09 limit so you can actually see if the trade really works. He never actually lets you see him trade. Anyone with good market knowledge can do what he does in terms of making calls like that. I want to be certain here that I am not accusing him of lying. I will say this, at the end of almost every day he states he is up 2, 5, 9 points in the TF, and also some trades in ES and YM and NQ. Only a few, very few days of tiny losses. If you could make 3, 5 9 points in the TF almost every single day would you be tradeing 1,2,3 lots for a trade room or trading 5, 10 20 lots from your beachfront balcony? After you pay your THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS for his course, he will tell you he does not care if you don't believe him. Before I took the course I was led to believe that I would be able (with certainty) to observe via chat room, or see that the trades he was making were real---NOT. You never see him trade, you never see an equity run, nothing. There are so many holes in this that I could go on and on. I put every waking moment, hundred of hours into his method, listened to all the other comments from other traders in the chat room, and some traders that had come back years later, and it sounded to me that the only one making any money was Will Scheier. PS: I guess after this post gets around to him, i will not be allowed in the room or the course again I have been touching base on this site(Big Mike's) for a few years now, and am so happy that I finnally have something real to offer. Became an Elite member yesterday.

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His market knowledge is great, I like his support and resistance indicators. I will post a more in depth evaluation when I have more time. So just a quick eval and recommendation. DO NOT SPEND YOUR MONEY. yes he has a chat room that he kind of calls his trades out ahead of time. This is an example of how it sounds when he makes a trade call- "selling the next push up" then next reply something like this "Filled at 10.09". OK, so i am looking at the chart (my chart) and thinking how did he get that fill at the top of the bar to the tick and it was only there for a split second. Then his next reply "out at 10.01, + .8. Well this is all great except you never see him make the trade, he just calls out trades very close to the example I gave you. Very rare VERY RARE does he say will sell at 10.09 limit so you can actually see if the trade really works. He never actually lets you see him trade. Anyone with good market knowledge can do what he does in terms of making calls like that. I want to be certain here that I am not accusing him of lying. I will say this, at the end of almost every day he states he is up 2, 5, 9 points in the TF, and also some trades in ES and YM and NQ. Only a few, very few days of tiny losses. If you could make 3, 5 9 points in the TF almost every single day would you be tradeing 1,2,3 lots for a trade room or trading 5, 10 20 lots from your beachfront balcony? After you pay your THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS for his course, he will tell you he does not care if you don't believe him. Before I took the course I was led to believe that I would be able (with certainty) to observe via chat room, or see that the trades he was making were real---NOT. You never see him trade, you never see an equity run, nothing. There are so many holes in this that I could go on and on. I put every waking moment, hundred of hours into his method, listened to all the other comments from other traders in the chat room, and some traders that had come back years later, and it sounded to me that the only one making any money was Will Scheier. PS: I guess after this post gets around to him, i will not be allowed in the room or the course again I have been touching base on this site(Big Mike's) for a few years now, and am so happy that I finnally have something real to offer. Became an Elite member yesterday.

I agree with kburks. I took his course, you get a lot of dos and don'ts, most of them useful, but you don't need to pay 3k because they are all in his book "Pivots, Patterns, and Intraday Swing Trades". The only thing that isn't is his Elliot Wave version of swing counting (which is not a true or fixed science, so take it for what it is).
Regarding the chat room, the only guy chatting is him, he doesn't allow free chat, if you do it he'll pull you aside and give you a speach on how the other members joined his chat in order NOT to hear comments like yours
Facts:
a) You will never see his trading screen, you trade on your own charts based on the calls in the chat room.Like kburks said he many times the call is a bit general "selling next push up", "buying next push down". All those calls can be done with if he broadcasts his screen. During traning session he's more than happy to broadcast his screen, only during live trading he's shy of doing that

b) Some of his fills and stops are ...pure magical

c) When i stopped joining his room the set of indicators I received from him stopped working, and I got a popup messages saying to contact his e-mail address to enable them This is completely against the agreement I signed but didn't want to have anything to do with the guy anymore so I just uninstalled them. Be warned!

d) TF moves sometimes 1 point quickly, the 5-7 ticks stops are a bit hard, I tried. Could be done but I don't think they are enough, even on tick chart. You are better off trading on 1 min in the direction of 15 min swings, and using something like VWAP which you can downloaded freely.

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I also found Will to be evasive. After reading about him here I contacted him and waited over 2 weeks before contacting me back. Tried to get in his chat room because i wanted to see him trade "live" and was told the room was only for students taking the class.. Asked him if he traded live while showing his dome because I didnt want to waste my time or his. Again nothing but evasive responses.
After a quick web search i found him to be located in a small apartment complex not far from where I live. quickly put 2+2 together and realized that someone claiming all the $ on his log would not logically live there.. Oh well again you have to due diligence with all the vendors never taking any references to their word... If you don't see the trades live with accurate fills you are just watching a circus. Like our friend Ed he talks a good game and is a published writer but a successful trader?

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I have been hot and cold with Will's method over the last few months. I think much of his system relies on experience, especially scalping experience. In reality, I don't like scalping that much - I have tried it several times and am not that great at it. I cannot achieve the same results as Will and have decided to move back to looking for only a couple of trades a day where I am more comfortable. Also, I am focusing on my trading psychology now, not just the method and am much more comfortable with my trading.

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I have been hot and cold with Will's method over the last few months. I think much of his system relies on experience, especially scalping experience. In reality, I don't like scalping that much - I have tried it several times and am not that great at it. I cannot achieve the same results as Will and have decided to move back to looking for only a couple of trades a day where I am more comfortable. Also, I am focusing on my trading psychology now, not just the method and am much more comfortable with my trading.

It is hard to admit when we are wrong, it's human nature. It is very hard when it cost us 3000.00 to be wrong, that's THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS. It was hard for me to admit it to myself. His system does rely on experience, and he is very experienced in making inquiring minds believe that they are one of only a hand full of people that he will let into his course. He is very experienced in making people believe that his THREE THOUSAND DOLLAR course is full of new trading knowledge, the 8-10 week course is nothing but a review of his 50.00 book (a good read mind you, just nothing new, reinvention of the trade wheel), oh that's right there were 2 times that he taught "Serial Sequen" (?SP), which basically just counts waves and puts a number above each new high. He is very experienced at teaching you everything about confluence between his indicators, on the 1 Min chart. Everything is taught on the one minute chart, and then in the chat room he makes all his trades on a tick chart (WHAT THE F#%$). And there is never confluence between his indicators when he calls a trade, a trade that you cannot follow. He is very experienced giving his lessons in 1 hour webinars, Wednesdays, and repeats it on Sundays, if you ask a question, he belittles you in front of the other class members, telling you to not ask that question, just listen and your question will be addressed in the lecture. Most do not ask questions much after the first thrashing, and when they do they are walking on eggshells, or kissing his ass thinking they don't want to spoil a relationship that is teaching them the holy grail. No offence BeachTrader, we have all been "Hot and Cold" with different trading methods. The bottom line is the book was not worth 3000.00, THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS. We are here in this Forum to get help, and give back after taking that help (at least I am). So please take a big deep breath, let the pain move through you, admit it. Then give back to other traders that may be close to dropping THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS (That's 3000.00 $$$). Pay it forward. The only thing I have ever purchased in my endeavor to learn how to trade, that was worth anywhere near 3000.00 is the 100.00 that I paid to be an elite member here on this forum. Please PAY IT FORWARD........

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It is hard to admit when we are wrong, it's human nature. It is very hard when it cost us 3000.00 to be wrong, that's THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS. It was hard for me to admit it to myself. His system does rely on experience, and he is very experienced in making inquiring minds believe that they are one of only a hand full of people that he will let into his course. He is very experienced in making people believe that his THREE THOUSAND DOLLAR course is full of new trading knowledge, the 8-10 week course is nothing but a review of his 50.00 book (a good read mind you, just nothing new, reinvention of the trade wheel), oh that's right there were 2 times that he taught "Serial Sequen" (?SP), which basically just counts waves and puts a number above each new high. He is very experienced at teaching you everything about confluence between his indicators, on the 1 Min chart. Everything is taught on the one minute chart, and then in the chat room he makes all his trades on a tick chart (WHAT THE F#%$). And there is never confluence between his indicators when he calls a trade, a trade that you cannot follow. He is very experienced giving his lessons in 1 hour webinars, Wednesdays, and repeats it on Sundays, if you ask a question, he belittles you in front of the other class members, telling you to not ask that question, just listen and your question will be addressed in the lecture. Most do not ask questions much after the first thrashing, and when they do they are walking on eggshells, or kissing his ass thinking they don't want to spoil a relationship that is teaching them the holy grail. No offence BeachTrader, we have all been "Hot and Cold" with different trading methods. The bottom line is the book was not worth 3000.00, THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS. We are here in this Forum to get help, and give back after taking that help (at least I am). So please take a big deep breath, let the pain move through you, admit it. Then give back to other traders that may be close to dropping THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS (That's 3000.00 $$$). Pay it forward. The only thing I have ever purchased in my endeavor to learn how to trade, that was worth anywhere near 3000.00 is the 100.00 that I paid to be an elite member here on this forum. Please PAY IT FORWARD........

Wow @kburks! I'm sorry your experience with Will was so crappy. I came to the decision that I don't want to trade like him, but my time with Will was not as negative as you. I had a different experience with the lessons - I enjoyed them, asked questions, and was not belittled. That would have pissed me off too. Anyway, I am not angry I spent $3,000 as I did learn about waves, market structure, types of days, etc. and still use many of his indicators in my current trading. Was it worth $3,000? Probably not in retrospect but I got a lot more value from it than the price of a book, that's for sure. But maybe that was just me. Will's course was better than some I took, but I am happier the way I am currently trading than with Will (mainly longer term price action).

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Wow @kburks! I'm sorry your experience with Will was so crappy. I came to the decision that I don't want to trade like him, but my time with Will was not as negative as you. I had a different experience with the lessons - I enjoyed them, asked questions, and was not belittled. That would have pissed me off too. Anyway, I am not angry I spent $3,000 as I did learn about waves, market structure, types of days, etc. and still use many of his indicators in my current trading. Was it worth $3,000? Probably not in retrospect but I got a lot more value from it than the price of a book, that's for sure. But maybe that was just me. Will's course was better than some I took, but I am happier the way I am currently trading than with Will (mainly longer term price action).

Pretty amazing how much people are willing to pay for trading courses. Its a huge industry...

I once offered free trading courses to people on another forum as a bet with another member, 2 years ago. I have a good reputation on that forum too, mind you i had no public track record. That in itself was the same as the guys that charged, i had 3 students in 6 months. They really were not interested when i told them there was nothing special about trading, other than lots of hard work, a ton of screen time, a large account and good risk management. Without the elusive attraction of a holy grail on offer, a couple walked away after a week. I hope they're in a better place, i hoped i saved them some money.

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I have heard a few of you Valhalla traders mention that Will uses tick charts when trading in the room? I remember seeing this in one of the extra videos on his site when you buy his book or on one of his webinars. But I don't remember where it was I saw it or what setting he used. I think I remember a 6 tick setting (range bars?) and a 233-tick setting. Am I close on either one? Thanks. Well, after looking at the book again, I did see that he has a 6 tick chart to look inside the 1-min bars on the companion site. Wow, those charts must move really fast. And I thought 4 tick range charts moved fast at the open.

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Does anyone know if Will Scheier of Valhalla Futures is still taking students? I've emailed him three times over 3 weeks and gotten no response. I even ordered the software he has for sale on his site. No response on that.

I've read his book twice and used some of his methods successfully, but I don't want to spend more time studying his system if he's no longer taking students.

I searched the futures io site and the most recent information on him is from 2015. Thus, if anyone has any recent information, especially the best way to contact him, I'd be very grateful.

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His blog is still being updated so he is in business. I had a chat with him years ago, he is heavily relying on his sequential indicator but has no evidence of ability to trade life. Yes, he has trading room, but doesn't invite visitors anymore. It makes sense to get free pass to the trading room and see trades placed live before shelling three grands for his course. And make sure sequential is upgraded to NT8, software you ordered is only for NT7 and most of it or all available here.


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Does anyone know if Will Scheier of Valhalla Futures is still taking students? I've emailed him three times over 3 weeks and gotten no response. I even ordered the software he has for sale on his site. No response on that.

I've read his book twice and used some of his methods successfully, but I don't want to spend more time studying his system if he's no longer taking students.

I searched the futures io site and the most recent information on him is from 2015. Thus, if anyone has any recent information, especially the best way to contact him, I'd be very grateful.


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His blog is still being updated so he is in business. I had a chat with him years ago, he is heavily relying on his sequential indicator but has no evidence of ability to trade life. Yes, he has trading room, but doesn't invite visitors anymore. It makes sense to get free pass to the trading room and see trades placed live before shelling three grands for his course. And make sure sequential is upgraded to NT8, software you ordered is only for NT7 and most of it or all available here.

dk27: Thanks very much. This is the first information I've gotten regarding Will and his website.

A question: When you referred to his sequential software, you noted "most of it or all available here." Could you please direct me to where that is available?

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I referred to his exhaustion grid software which are opening range, day, overnight highs, lows, etc. all available here in downloads section, but he is very secretive about sequential so I have no idea about it.


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dk27: Thanks very much. This is the first information I've gotten regarding Will and his website.

A question: When you referred to his sequential software, you noted "most of it or all available here." Could you please direct me to where that is available?


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I referred to his exhaustion grid software which are opening range, day, overnight highs, lows, etc. all available here in downloads section, but he is very secretive about sequential so I have no idea about it.

Unfortunately I was unable to find the exhaustion grid under downloads. I looked at all 430 NinjaTrader 7 downloads and "grids" and "exhaustion" under NinjaTrader 8 downloads, but couldn't find anything. I'm a newbie, so perhaps I just didn't do it right.

Could you give me the name it is listed under and in which download section is it located?

This newbie thanks you for your help!

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Exhaustion grid it’s just his way to call support and resistance to mess with newbies head. It’s not one indicator but many separate indicators. Rather search the words describing what every indicator does, for instance I searched “opening range” and got this. And not just my opinion, indicators created by Fat Tails are superior quality, I am pretty sure he has created and posted here most of “exhaution grid” indicators.

https://futures.io/local_links_sort.php?catid=19&filter=&sort=d&page=1&pp=10&keyid=707



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Unfortunately I was unable to find the exhaustion grid under downloads. I looked at all 430 NinjaTrader 7 downloads and "grids" and "exhaustion" under NinjaTrader 8 downloads, but couldn't find anything. I'm a newbie, so perhaps I just didn't do it right.

Could you give me the name it is listed under and in which download section is it located?

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Ok, now I understand, as I did see most of the elements of his exhaustion grid in the various programs in the download section. I've already started downloading some of them.
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Hi I rarely post (or read them) but I thought I would offer my brief experience with the new Valhalla Trading Room service.
I received an email out of the blue that the "Long Awaited...Valhalla Futures trade room-only subscriptions was now open!!"
I suppose I had gotten on their email list a way back. I had pretty much given up trading due to what I lacked (success, skills, money, confidence, etc...).

But, at $200 a month the opportunity to trail along and get results like they post Valhalla Futures - Daily Trade Blog seemed intriguing to me so I got a free Ninjatrader Demo account
and emailed Valhalla Futures with this basic question. "Are the entries and exits given verbally and in enough time to follow the trading room"? I was told "The entire VF Trade Room audio session is accompanied with ongoing commentary and observations of the market as it unfolds. Trades are announced ahead of entry, and exact fills are called out. Once in a position, the managements of that position is always communicated."

So like a guy who shoulda known better I signed on for a month at $200 and hoped for the best. I thought, "this could really be great and where is the risk at for $200"?

So my first day on 4/29 after much difficulty logging in I heard the trader get stopped out 9 straight times before a profitable trade. I say heard because there was no DOM to see and no real proof that there was and real trading (simulated or otherwise) going on. Just miserable trade results which somehow only netted a -33.75 total MNQ for the day. Interestingly too for a room with

Day two was much of the same but claimed a +32.5 MNQ net for the day...

Results aside, the entries were often stated after the fact and the stops were rarely addressed until after the fact when they were seemingly minimized. Never once did the trader get stopped out before price moved in his direction? Hmm...

The next few days were either not held (Internet problems or second Covid shot) or the results posted were quite good.

I asked for a complete refund after the second day they cancelled the room. I was told one would be forthcoming.

Interestingly for a room with 18 years of "track record" posted there were less that 10 people in it at all times.

So my experience was one of disappointment.

I would not recommend the room based upon my experience.

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