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Valhalla Futures / Will Scheier

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I also found Will to be evasive. After reading about him here I contacted him and waited over 2 weeks before contacting me back. Tried to get in his chat room because i wanted to see him trade "live" and was told the room was only for students taking the class.. Asked him if he traded live while showing his dome because I didnt want to waste my time or his. Again nothing but evasive responses.
After a quick web search i found him to be located in a small apartment complex not far from where I live. quickly put 2+2 together and realized that someone claiming all the $ on his log would not logically live there.. Oh well again you have to due diligence with all the vendors never taking any references to their word... If you don't see the trades live with accurate fills you are just watching a circus. Like our friend Ed he talks a good game and is a published writer but a successful trader?

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I have been hot and cold with Will's method over the last few months. I think much of his system relies on experience, especially scalping experience. In reality, I don't like scalping that much - I have tried it several times and am not that great at it. I cannot achieve the same results as Will and have decided to move back to looking for only a couple of trades a day where I am more comfortable. Also, I am focusing on my trading psychology now, not just the method and am much more comfortable with my trading.

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I have been hot and cold with Will's method over the last few months. I think much of his system relies on experience, especially scalping experience. In reality, I don't like scalping that much - I have tried it several times and am not that great at it. I cannot achieve the same results as Will and have decided to move back to looking for only a couple of trades a day where I am more comfortable. Also, I am focusing on my trading psychology now, not just the method and am much more comfortable with my trading.

It is hard to admit when we are wrong, it's human nature. It is very hard when it cost us 3000.00 to be wrong, that's THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS. It was hard for me to admit it to myself. His system does rely on experience, and he is very experienced in making inquiring minds believe that they are one of only a hand full of people that he will let into his course. He is very experienced in making people believe that his THREE THOUSAND DOLLAR course is full of new trading knowledge, the 8-10 week course is nothing but a review of his 50.00 book (a good read mind you, just nothing new, reinvention of the trade wheel), oh that's right there were 2 times that he taught "Serial Sequen" (?SP), which basically just counts waves and puts a number above each new high. He is very experienced at teaching you everything about confluence between his indicators, on the 1 Min chart. Everything is taught on the one minute chart, and then in the chat room he makes all his trades on a tick chart (WHAT THE F#%$). And there is never confluence between his indicators when he calls a trade, a trade that you cannot follow. He is very experienced giving his lessons in 1 hour webinars, Wednesdays, and repeats it on Sundays, if you ask a question, he belittles you in front of the other class members, telling you to not ask that question, just listen and your question will be addressed in the lecture. Most do not ask questions much after the first thrashing, and when they do they are walking on eggshells, or kissing his ass thinking they don't want to spoil a relationship that is teaching them the holy grail. No offence BeachTrader, we have all been "Hot and Cold" with different trading methods. The bottom line is the book was not worth 3000.00, THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS. We are here in this Forum to get help, and give back after taking that help (at least I am). So please take a big deep breath, let the pain move through you, admit it. Then give back to other traders that may be close to dropping THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS (That's 3000.00 $$$). Pay it forward. The only thing I have ever purchased in my endeavor to learn how to trade, that was worth anywhere near 3000.00 is the 100.00 that I paid to be an elite member here on this forum. Please PAY IT FORWARD........

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It is hard to admit when we are wrong, it's human nature. It is very hard when it cost us 3000.00 to be wrong, that's THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS. It was hard for me to admit it to myself. His system does rely on experience, and he is very experienced in making inquiring minds believe that they are one of only a hand full of people that he will let into his course. He is very experienced in making people believe that his THREE THOUSAND DOLLAR course is full of new trading knowledge, the 8-10 week course is nothing but a review of his 50.00 book (a good read mind you, just nothing new, reinvention of the trade wheel), oh that's right there were 2 times that he taught "Serial Sequen" (?SP), which basically just counts waves and puts a number above each new high. He is very experienced at teaching you everything about confluence between his indicators, on the 1 Min chart. Everything is taught on the one minute chart, and then in the chat room he makes all his trades on a tick chart (WHAT THE F#%$). And there is never confluence between his indicators when he calls a trade, a trade that you cannot follow. He is very experienced giving his lessons in 1 hour webinars, Wednesdays, and repeats it on Sundays, if you ask a question, he belittles you in front of the other class members, telling you to not ask that question, just listen and your question will be addressed in the lecture. Most do not ask questions much after the first thrashing, and when they do they are walking on eggshells, or kissing his ass thinking they don't want to spoil a relationship that is teaching them the holy grail. No offence BeachTrader, we have all been "Hot and Cold" with different trading methods. The bottom line is the book was not worth 3000.00, THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS. We are here in this Forum to get help, and give back after taking that help (at least I am). So please take a big deep breath, let the pain move through you, admit it. Then give back to other traders that may be close to dropping THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS (That's 3000.00 $$$). Pay it forward. The only thing I have ever purchased in my endeavor to learn how to trade, that was worth anywhere near 3000.00 is the 100.00 that I paid to be an elite member here on this forum. Please PAY IT FORWARD........

Wow @kburks! I'm sorry your experience with Will was so crappy. I came to the decision that I don't want to trade like him, but my time with Will was not as negative as you. I had a different experience with the lessons - I enjoyed them, asked questions, and was not belittled. That would have pissed me off too. Anyway, I am not angry I spent $3,000 as I did learn about waves, market structure, types of days, etc. and still use many of his indicators in my current trading. Was it worth $3,000? Probably not in retrospect but I got a lot more value from it than the price of a book, that's for sure. But maybe that was just me. Will's course was better than some I took, but I am happier the way I am currently trading than with Will (mainly longer term price action).

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Wow @kburks! I'm sorry your experience with Will was so crappy. I came to the decision that I don't want to trade like him, but my time with Will was not as negative as you. I had a different experience with the lessons - I enjoyed them, asked questions, and was not belittled. That would have pissed me off too. Anyway, I am not angry I spent $3,000 as I did learn about waves, market structure, types of days, etc. and still use many of his indicators in my current trading. Was it worth $3,000? Probably not in retrospect but I got a lot more value from it than the price of a book, that's for sure. But maybe that was just me. Will's course was better than some I took, but I am happier the way I am currently trading than with Will (mainly longer term price action).

Pretty amazing how much people are willing to pay for trading courses. Its a huge industry...

I once offered free trading courses to people on another forum as a bet with another member, 2 years ago. I have a good reputation on that forum too, mind you i had no public track record. That in itself was the same as the guys that charged, i had 3 students in 6 months. They really were not interested when i told them there was nothing special about trading, other than lots of hard work, a ton of screen time, a large account and good risk management. Without the elusive attraction of a holy grail on offer, a couple walked away after a week. I hope they're in a better place, i hoped i saved them some money.

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I have heard a few of you Valhalla traders mention that Will uses tick charts when trading in the room? I remember seeing this in one of the extra videos on his site when you buy his book or on one of his webinars. But I don't remember where it was I saw it or what setting he used. I think I remember a 6 tick setting (range bars?) and a 233-tick setting. Am I close on either one? Thanks. Well, after looking at the book again, I did see that he has a 6 tick chart to look inside the 1-min bars on the companion site. Wow, those charts must move really fast. And I thought 4 tick range charts moved fast at the open.


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