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I also would be very interested in reading about first experiences with that new vendor.

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you can put it together yourself, rjay bar + fattail stuffs.

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Has anybody got some experience with them by now ?

They currently offer a 'Scholar Apprenticeship" for whoppy $7.500, discounted by about $2.500 and give away two of them for free if you sign up for their room until April 30th, which will be $297 / Month including the indicators.

@ cory: As I already own RJay's Bars and use them, I would need to know WHAT kind of Fat Tails stuff to apply and how to determine the settings....any ideas are highly appreciated.

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His results have been amazing to say the least, but we don't know about the other days (in which a performance is not posted). Anybody can give an honest feedback?
Here are some of the room summary videos: FuturesWizards's channel - YouTube

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I did their trial for a week. It is unofficially live calls. It seems like the host is trading sim. Those good results are the combination of the room , which is only 2 hours and after room trades. So trades posted after 10am or so are not seen in the live room. It felt like it was always the same one or two people making comments which the host would respond to, which could not be seen as they always had the chat software closed so it didn't show the number of members nor chat text. They seem to have a programmer working on improving their indicators or something new coming up. The method itself seemed very similar to CJBooth's 6E trading strategy in particular the big trigger line and small trigger line pairs. Which in turn CJBooth said he learned from NexGen. They use fib extensions to gauge targets. And they have some proprietary generated s/r levels which seem pretty good for the most part. There was pressure to join the apprenticeship program. The whole method is seemingly explained only if one joins the apprenticeship. Again, why need to charge for costly mentorships when one is supposedly making big money trading? I still get daily result emails from them , but I'm too jaded to take seriously the almost always positive trade results posted anymore. The host trades better than average, but it still felt like sim. And I did not like the after session trade markups to bolster the daily report.

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oddly enough, I had the occasion to speak with an ex-apprentice. To say he was disappointed, would be the understatement of the year. I can't coment on the system as my information is second hand, but after talking with this individual, my advise would to be very very VERY careful about this group. He even gave up trading after his experience.

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oddly enough, I had the occasion to speak with an ex-apprentice. To say he was disappointed, would be the understatement of the year. I can't coment on the system as my information is second hand, but after talking with this individual, my advise would to be very very VERY careful about this group. He even gave up trading after his experience.

They have a new site "www.futuresgenius.com" ; . If you see the sample video on futuresgenius.com , it's the same host using the same "trigger-lines" envelope indicator. Before there was a proprietary histogram oscillator (only available if you signed up for the apprenticeship, otherwise it was $300/month for the live webinar room). Now it looks like the MACD-BB at the bottom.

new site:
Futures Genius | Welcome...


old futureswizards recording:
June 14, 2012 Trade Room Summary - YouTube, Home

And the email I got from futuresgenius: (combined .jpg)

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I hear you Big Mike, thanks for the suggestion. But report them for what? They still have the CFTC "hypothetical" disclaimer. I'm not sure they've done anything illegal. I was just pointing out it's their new brand as these vendor threads help serve as a warning. And I was mistaken, I looked on their new website and they did have an address which is the same as their old site. Only the phone number is different now. Just that I got their "$25k for December!" ad email and felt dismayed. Adding 10 contracts again on the next trade to make up for a 2 car loser which I saw in my trial. Like what FT71 would call "monkey trading".

Now that I think about it, about their "amazing" day's results I think I can guess how it was done now. At first their Ninjatrader "cut-out" record is pretty impressive. But first there was a sim session. Then he does a replay over his original sim session duplicating the trades and carefully including some "losers" to show "good money management". Then removes the "account" column from the table which can be done in NT. Then the replay results are shown without the column showing it was the replay account.

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I'll think about it. My shared experience with them serves as a good warning.

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