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deanoky · (login for full post details)

Has anybody had experience with WoodiesBars?

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deanoky · (login for full post details)

I went to the webinar yesterday. Much of it is the old familiar Woodie's CCI with some new fancy colors and b/g coloring.

The "WoodiesBars" according to him were orignally done by rjay. He has had somebody at Microtrends further develop them "according to his specs".

He seems very paranoid about someone stealing his idea. You have to be in the room ($99.95/month) to see the system. If you want the software, the lease is $199.95/month, but you also have to continue to pay the monthly room fee or you can't have the software.

If anybody joins the room, would be interested to hear your opinions. I know that some people think Woodie walks on water, some think he is the devil. I really don't care, I just want to know if he may have come up with a tradeable system.

bluemele · (login for full post details)

deanoky

I went to the webinar yesterday. Much of it is the old familiar Woodie's CCI with some new fancy colors and b/g coloring.

The "WoodiesBars" according to him were orignally done by rjay. He has had somebody at Microtrends further develop them "according to his specs".

He seems very paranoid about someone stealing his idea. You have to be in the room ($99.95/month) to see the system. If you want the software, the lease is $199.95/month, but you also have to continue to pay the monthly room fee or you can't have the software.

If anybody joins the room, would be interested to hear your opinions. I know that some people think Woodie walks on water, some think he is the devil. I really don't care, I just want to know if he may have come up with a tradeable system.

It amazes me in that it is so much easier to build gadgets and sell them to people than to actually trade. I guess not so amazing.

MWinfrey · (login for full post details)

bluemele

It amazes me in that it is so much easier to build gadgets and sell them to people than to actually trade. I guess not so amazing.

reinventing yourself ever once in a while creates the illusion of progress. ain't it great.

deanoky · (login for full post details)

Well, my curiosity got the best of me, and I bought a month in the room. It was amazing. It is kind of like dealing with the airlines. There is a constant push by the mods to use PFG for a broker. There is a guy who will teach you how to use the Woodie stuff for $60/hour. There is another lady who teaches head stuff for a fee and the mods are pushing people to her.

They are so secretive about their new charts and strategy that they are afraid to say anything helpful. When asked which one of the setups works best, "....Woodie won't let us say". When asked about stops and targets, "....you have to figure that out for yourself". When asked for some place to study and read about the new charts, "....Woodie will not allow any written material on his new stuff".

I give up. Don't they know that if you put this stuff out there in any form, it is no longer a secret? They only thing they accomplish is making it harder for the people who pay.

My advice, don't waste your time or money. Just my humble opinion.

Ben16JP2 · (login for full post details)

Are the Woodie Bars similar to RJ's Channel Trend Bars? Or any other bars you have come across?

deanoky

Well, my curiosity got the best of me, and I bought a month in the room. It was amazing. It is kind of like dealing with the airlines. There is a constant push by the mods to use PFG for a broker. There is a guy who will teach you how to use the Woodie stuff for $60/hour. There is another lady who teaches head stuff for a fee and the mods are pushing people to her.

They are so secretive about their new charts and strategy that they are afraid to say anything helpful. When asked which one of the setups works best, "....Woodie won't let us say". When asked about stops and targets, "....you have to figure that out for yourself". When asked for some place to study and read about the new charts, "....Woodie will not allow any written material on his new stuff".

I give up. Don't they know that if you put this stuff out there in any form, it is no longer a secret? They only thing they accomplish is making it harder for the people who pay.

My advice, don't waste your time or money. Just my humble opinion.

MWinfrey · (login for full post details)

Ben16JP2

Are the Woodie Bars similar to RJ's Channel Trend Bars? Or any other bars you have come across?

They are BetterRenko found on this website in the downloads...

deanoky · (login for full post details)

I will put up a better renko chart to see how it compares. I did not lease the software, but they broadcast charts on 4 different symbols in the chat room, and I should be able to tell.

Tiberius · (login for full post details)

deanoky

I will put up a better renko chart to see how it compares. I did not lease the software, but they broadcast charts on 4 different symbols in the chat room, and I should be able to tell.

jing or snip your monitor screen for a look see. this thread is all talk and no images.................

deanoky · (login for full post details)

It does look like the Woodiesbars are BetterRenko. They are colored by the CCI patterns, so that is different, but the body and tails look just like Better Renko.

The settings they are using for CCI are NOT standard Woodie. If I thought it had merit, I suppose I could eventually figure that out. But, I am not interested in trying to steal their setup, just evaluate it.

Jeff Castille · (login for full post details)

MWinfrey

They are BetterRenko found on this website in the downloads...

Hey Mike,

Actually, I believe that Woodie is using Median Renko.

Jeff

Tiberius · (login for full post details)

got this 6.5 indie from somewhere, not here. take it and recode it for all the bells and whistles. but then I have no idea what it does.

aligator · (login for full post details)

Jeff Castille

Hey Mike,

Actually, I believe that Woodie is using Median Renko.

Jeff

You are correct Jeff, Woodie himself admitted they are Median Renko developed by Roonius and it seems OK to him to charge $300 per month for others' work.

Jeff Castille · (login for full post details)

aligator

You are correct Jeff, Woodie himself admitted they are Median Renko developed by Roonius and it seems OK to him to charge $300 per month for others' work.

Preying on the ignorant.

deanoky · (login for full post details)

Tiberius

got this 6.5 indie from somewhere, not here. take it and recode it for all the bells and whistles. but then I have no idea what it does.

Got an error message. Seems like it may have a conflict with somthing I already have.

Sad Planet · (login for full post details)

This is what they look like.

Why the Woodies Bars Collection? - MicroTrends NinjaTrader Indicators and Strategies

aligator · (login for full post details)

Tiberius

got this 6.5 indie from somewhere, not here. take it and recode it for all the bells and whistles. but then I have no idea what it does.

Tiberius,

Three is newer version of this indicator for NT7 by Snaphook. Not sure if its here but you can certainly find it on Ninja forum. It works great, but then again even Woodie does not trade the WCCI anymore.

bluemele · (login for full post details)

Jeff Castille

Preying on the ignorant.

Yes, two things need to happen.

1. I need to let go of the fact that 99% of 'successful traders' are actually vendors. haha.... And, be ok with it.

2. We need regulatory change. (I hate more government) The 'educators' need to be 'stopped out'.

Big Mike · (login for full post details)

bluemele

Yes, two things need to happen.

1. I need to let go of the fact that 99% of 'successful traders' are actually vendors. haha.... And, be ok with it.

2. We need regulatory change. (I hate more government) The 'educators' need to be 'stopped out'.

I think as for #2, the People can educate themselves. This thread for example can educate someone.

Mike

Tiberius · (login for full post details)

aligator

Tiberius,

Three is newer version of this indicator for NT7 by Snaphook. Not sure if its here but you can certainly find it on Ninja forum. It works great, but then again even Woodie does not trade the WCCI anymore.

Thanks aligator, you are correct. Happy Thanksgiving

not sure what's what with the indies

Trafford · (login for full post details)

Has woodie stopped trading CCI's then? uhm I wonder

Check out RJAY's Renko Hybrid as a much better alternative and you can get a free trial, you can't get that at Mr. woodie

aligator · (login for full post details)

Sad Planet

This is what they look like.

Why the Woodies Bars Collection? - MicroTrends NinjaTrader Indicators and Strategies

A little pity push from MicroTrends. Every one of those indicators was taken from others and packaged as ....bars. Shame on them.

bluemele · (login for full post details)

Big Mike

I think as for #2, the People can educate themselves. This thread for example can educate someone.

Mike

Yes, but what % do you think it will affect? That is great, and I hope it places high on the search engines!

I find as I do more business how little I actually understood as to what is true 'business' and what is just ripping someone off without telling them. Sorry for being a Negative-Nancy, but these people need to be put to rest....

sharky · (login for full post details)

i see that is one of my old templates lmao,once again someone is trying to sell my ideas that i give away for free...sharky

puma · (login for full post details)

deanoky

Well, my curiosity got the best of me, and I bought a month in the room. It was amazing. It is kind of like dealing with the airlines. There is a constant push by the mods to use PFG for a broker. There is a guy who will teach you how to use the Woodie stuff for $60/hour. There is another lady who teaches head stuff for a fee and the mods are pushing people to her.

They are so secretive about their new charts and strategy that they are afraid to say anything helpful. When asked which one of the setups works best, "....Woodie won't let us say". When asked about stops and targets, "....you have to figure that out for yourself". When asked for some place to study and read about the new charts, "....Woodie will not allow any written material on his new stuff".

I give up. Don't they know that if you put this stuff out there in any form, it is no longer a secret? They only thing they accomplish is making it harder for the people who pay.

My advice, don't waste your time or money. Just my humble opinion.

Hi deanoky,

I can confirm all of that.
It is a tragedy!

Over the years ken wood and his doodle PFG Niel - his Broker - have hurt a lot of people.
Ken Wood is an ego-manic. All he does must be seen in this light.

(nontheless I met wonderful people & trader there - no thanks to woodie and most of them left already )

here is a screenshot of today:

vegasfoster · (login for full post details)

puma

Hi deanoky,

I can confirm all of that.
It is a tragedy!

Over the years ken wood and his doodle PFG Niel - his Broker - have hurt a lot of people.
Ken Wood is an ego-manic. All he does must be seen in this light.

(nontheless I met wonderful people & trader there - no thanks to woodie and most of them left already )

here is a screenshot of today:

Little known fact, I know an instructor at Colorado Springs who told me the US Airforce has started using that template to screen jet fighter candidates, sound logic being if you can decipher that template then the instrument panel on a jet fighter will present no real challenge to you.

aligator · (login for full post details)

vegasfoster

Little known fact, I know an instructor at Colorado Springs who told me the US Airforce has started using that template to screen jet fighter candidates, sound logic being if you can decipher that template then the instrument panel on a jet fighter will present no real challenge to you.

Vegas,

Next, he will take credit for his template as the control system used by Air Force to fly F-19s

puma · (login for full post details)

^^^ lol

aligator · (login for full post details)

After the MedianRenko bars sold by Woodie as Woodie bars, here is the "new" Woodie Bars presented by Woodie in NT Webinar;

As you may notice the bar type and all indicators remarkably resemble those from futures.io (formerly BMT), even with the same fonts and colors, and are leased monthly for about $299 by Woodie and Tom from MicroTrends (Room and Template).

Bars - UniRenko Bars by @monpere from futures.io (formerly BMT)

BackGround trend - by @ThatManFromTexas from futures.io (formerly BMT)

Gradient Bars - Gradient Color Bars by @aligator from futures.io (formerly BMT)

Divergence - Price Action Swing by @dorschden from futures.io (formerly BMT)

Supper CCI - CCI by @sharky from futures.io (formerly BMT) or @ThatManFromTexas

Funny that Woodie said he copied the background trend from @ThatManFromTexas but did not give any credit to others for indicators and UniRenko bars.

It is so sad that some people are still paying monthly lease for these bars and indicators that are available on futures.io (formerly BMT) for free.

I know that Woodie has been banned from futures.io (formerly BMT) but his partners Tom from MicroTrends and others are quite active.

I hope @Big Mike will look into this and ban pirates so that people here are encouraged to contribute and upload indicators of value.

Also, while I like NT very much, they may be doing themselves a disservice endorsing some partners with questionable and unethical practices.

MWinfrey · (login for full post details)

Seems Woodie is becoming more and more shameless as time goes on.

cory · (login for full post details)

MWinfrey

Seems Woodie is becoming more and more shameless as time goes on.

he takes the saying 'Age has its privileges' to the next level.

plethora · (login for full post details)

I'm not convinced that when you pay $299 for the Room you receive a template or indicators or anything more than the Room. Woodie must have been asked a dozen+ times during the NT Webinar about the price of his indicators and he flat out refused to answer. Plus, the price of the indicators is no where on his website. Appears to be a case of "you can look but not touch."

ETA: Agreed that NT is doing a disservice by ponying up with marketeers who have nothing substantive to offer. Of the hundreds of Webinars NT has cashed in on I can't think of one that had genuine value, compared to, say, MarketDelta in which one always takes away something positive. Look closely at the credentials of some of those presenters. Not to overuse the word, they're "shameless" and that's the course NT is carving out for themselves by sponsoring these clowns.

Big Mike · (login for full post details)

You guys should be writing emails to NinjaTrader with as much factual information as possible to back up your claims, if you want them to take any action. I would put in subject line "Attention Ray" if it were me.

Woody has been banned on futures.io (formerly BMT) for a long time. If someone can provide usernames of any of his programmers or secondary accounts, please do so.

Mike

aligator · (login for full post details)

plethora

I'm not convinced that when you pay $299 for the Room you receive a template or indicators or anything more than the Room.

The template and woodie's indicator package are offered on MicroTrends website. Woodie mentioned that in the Webinar too. ($199 package lease + $99 room) per month.

Big Mike

If someone can provide usernames of any of his programmers or secondary accounts, please do so.

Mike

MicroTrends is developing and marketing Woodie Bars and his indicator package. They have them on their web site for monthly lease.

Tom from MicroTrends provides direct support to Woodies room and apparently does most of the programing, but I have no idea about his or other Woodie's associates' user names on futures.io (formerly BMT) or if they are futures.io (formerly BMT) members.

Big Mike · (login for full post details)

aligator

The template and woodie's indicator package are offered on MicroTrends website. Woodie mentioned that in the Webinar too. ($199 package lease + $99 room) per month.

MicroTrends is developing and marketing Woodie Bars and his indicator package. They have them on their web site for monthly lease.

Tom from MicroTrends provides direct support to Woodies room and apparently does most of the programing, but I have no idea about his or other Woodie's associates' user names on futures.io (formerly BMT) or if they are futures.io (formerly BMT) members.

MicroTrends was banned on futures.io (formerly BMT) a while back for piracy. I do suspect he or others have other usernames though and are accessing Elite content.

Let me know if you know of others.

Mike

garciaal · (login for full post details)

Could some point me to the Super CCI. I saw where the credits were given and i did a search, but could not find it.

Perhaps it is a different name on futures.io (formerly BMT).

Thanks,
Al

SarahKrantz · (login for full post details)

Big Mike

You guys should be writing emails to NinjaTrader with as much factual information as possible to back up your claims, if you want them to take any action. I would put in subject line "Attention Ray" if it were me.

Woody has been banned on futures.io (formerly BMT) for a long time. If someone can provide usernames of any of his programmers or secondary accounts, please do so.

Mike

Mike,

I think John Gromala is a better contact. john.gromala@NinjaTrader.com

aligator · (login for full post details)

aligator

After the MedianRenko bars sold by Woodie as Woodie bars, here is the "new" Woodie Bars presented by Woodie in NT Webinar;

As you may notice the bar type and all indicators remarkably resemble those from futures.io (formerly BMT), even with the same fonts and colors, and are leased monthly for about $299 by Woodie and Tom from MicroTrends (Room and Template).

Bars - UniRenko Bars by @monpere from futures.io (formerly BMT)

BackGround trend - by @ThatManFromTexas from futures.io (formerly BMT)

Gradient Bars - Gradient Color Bars by @aligator from futures.io (formerly BMT)

Divergence - Price Action Swing by @dorschden from futures.io (formerly BMT)

Supper CCI - CCI by @sharky from futures.io (formerly BMT) or @ThatManFromTexas

Funny that Woodie said he copied the background trend from @ThatManFromTexas but did not give any credit to others for indicators and UniRenko bars.

It is so sad that some people are still paying monthly lease for these bars and indicators that are available on futures.io (formerly BMT) for free.

Here is a little statement by the man himself, you be the judge:

"thanks that man from texas, i have introduced new patterns but i'm not releasing to public as i found some renaming them and selling them and some just copyright infringement from my book. for better than 10 years i made all my things free including woodie pivots which many use as well. i'm just not doing that anymore. " - Woodie

You can look it up here in post#22:

Woodies CCi

:)thanks that man from texas, i have introduced new patterns but i'm not releasing to public as i found some renaming them and selling them and some just copyright infringement from my book. for better than 10 years i made all my things free including …

I know that Woodie has been banned from futures.io (formerly BMT) but his partners at MicroTrends and his other elves are quite active.

Cloudy · (login for full post details)

I just happened to see "woodies cci club " in Ninjatrader's "ecosystem" in the email. Amazing, the new "woodiesbars"
for August, 2014! I guess woodies CCI has evolved?

soch · (login for full post details)

I just saw Woodie's webinar on NT yesterday - I like what I saw as far as indicators and chart set-up and was wondering if any member of futures.io (formerly BMT) might have already put something similar together that I could take a look at rather than build it from scratch.

thanks

Big Mike · (login for full post details)

If you read the thread you will know the story, and why Woodie is banned on futures.io (formerly BMT). It's too bad @NinjaTrader allows him to remain a partner.

Sent from my phone

Segwin · (login for full post details)

I was looking at Woodies CCI that is shipped with NT7. I'm always open to new ideas but thought I'd poke around here for more insight. Great thread.

I love this place. My 100.00 investment is chicken feed compared to what can be gained from Mikes place and all the good folks that post here.

+1

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