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someone buy the institutional version? I would like a review of the training offered there, if that institutional training is of quality and worth paying. Thank you

Bump - I'm also curious about the Axia training. The price includes one year of trading a live account which saves you the $50/month for a year - if the training is solid it looks like a good deal.

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Please advise. I'm looking to purchase a trading platform for backtesting and automated-trading executions, something that will also work well with Jigsaw.

I have already purchased Jigsaw daytradr lifetime licence and the training course.

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Just a quick note that we've renamed Pete's username on the site from DionysusToast to @Jigsaw Trading. This is just an FYI to avoid any confusion.




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Bump - I'm also curious about the Axia training. The price includes one year of trading a live account which saves you the $50/month for a year - if the training is solid it looks like a good deal.

Well - I could give you a review ;-)

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Any plans to add futures spread trading functionality?

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Demand is low for synthetics at the moment though.

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Just want to give a shout out to Peter and Jigsaw trading. I've been a long time user of the Jigsaw DOM plugin, and it's been a great tool to help me see what's happening in the market i'm trading.

The customer service Peter provides is also top notch. Today, he helped me at ES market open to activate a license. He used remote access to fix the issue I was having, and got me up and running in time to trade the morning session.

Thanks for the help, Peter ! I recommend Jigsaw and their product line for anyone who wants to get an edge using traders' trading tools.

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Since Big Mike closed the thread "Jigsaw Journalytix is BAD, Jigsaw is a joke.", I'll post the same thread here. He said he's closing it so he doesn't split topics. We also know that Jigsaw pays Futures IO. IDK. Anyway, here's the same post since Mike wants it in this thread.




Jigsaw Journalytix is BAD. Jigsaw is a joke.
I'll start by saying that Jigsaw itself is a good tool. What's bad is Journalytix. Specifically, the "leader board".

Here's the problem. You have a bunch of people trading on SIM or DEMO that don't take it seriously. They're always the top dogs on the leader board. These guys would never trade the same way with real money.

IF Peter Davies was serious, he would create two leader boards. One with only SIM trading and another with only LIVE trading. It's technically easy for him to do that. Then maybe people would take the leader board seriously.

I mean seriously. If I wanted to be top dog, sure I can martingale my way to number one. Get in a trade and keep adding until I have no choice but to make money on the trade.


Look at today. Here's the"top 3" on the leader board: https://gyazo.com/00d2abcc1466cbba2724cc74bad6be21

Look at #1: https://gyazo.com/32c2966dfe35c7d461386d52768ffd90

It's a demo account. Does anyone seriously think he made $600,000 in June and $400,000 in August? Of course not. It's easy when it's Monopoly money.

How about #2: https://gyazo.com/ce1b01e3438bf0d62be453d2f17b2ae6

Again, demo. If it was real money, he wouldn't have a $400,000 draw down in the month.



My point is people look at this as a joke. Peter has the technical ability to have two leader boards. One for only live trading and one for this fake trading. Obviously, people would take the live trading leader board seriously. When I click on the individual names, over 90% of these guys are trading demo. There's a reason no one takes it seriously.


If Jigsaw wants a serious and "professional" platform, they need to take this seriously. At this point, people look at Jigsaw as a joke. I mean seriously. The guys in #1 and #2 are making $500k or losing that amount on demo. Really?


I don't know why Peter won't make the adjustment. He can even have a feature to filter out only live trading and you see who really does well. Then people will really look at Jigsaw as a serious platform.

Supposedly, they're a "competitor to Trading Technologies X_Trader. There's no competition. X_Trader blows them away. Maybe if they took every aspect of their business seriously and catered to serious traders, people would view this different.

This isn't my view only. I talk to a lot of traders and hear the same thing across the board.

It's a simple fix. Fix that and people will respect Jigsaw. Making a guy #1 because he can trade 1,000 ES contracts on DEMO is a joke. Seriously. We want to see real live trades. We want to see how real traders with real money are doing. No one cares about some guy trading Monopoly money. We all have that ability to trade that way. We want to see who actually does well with REAL money. Peter I hope you read this and actually implement a change.

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Since Big Mike closed the thread "Jigsaw Journalytix is BAD, Jigsaw is a joke.", I'll post the same thread here. He said he's closing it so he doesn't split topics. We also know that Jigsaw pays Futures IO. IDK. Anyway, here's the same post since Mike wants it in this thread.




Jigsaw Journalytix is BAD. Jigsaw is a joke.
I'll start by saying that Jigsaw itself is a good tool. What's bad is Journalytix. Specifically, the "leader board".

Here's the problem. You have a bunch of people trading on SIM or DEMO that don't take it seriously. They're always the top dogs on the leader board. These guys would never trade the same way with real money.

IF Peter Davies was serious, he would create two leader boards. One with only SIM trading and another with only LIVE trading. It's technically easy for him to do that. Then maybe people would take the leader board seriously.

I mean seriously. If I wanted to be top dog, sure I can martingale my way to number one. Get in a trade and keep adding until I have no choice but to make money on the trade.


Look at today. Here's the"top 3" on the leader board: https://gyazo.com/00d2abcc1466cbba2724cc74bad6be21

Look at #1: https://gyazo.com/32c2966dfe35c7d461386d52768ffd90

It's a demo account. Does anyone seriously think he made $600,000 in June and $400,000 in August? Of course not. It's easy when it's Monopoly money.

How about #2: https://gyazo.com/ce1b01e3438bf0d62be453d2f17b2ae6

Again, demo. If it was real money, he wouldn't have a $400,000 draw down in the month.



My point is people look at this as a joke. Peter has the technical ability to have two leader boards. One for only live trading and one for this fake trading. Obviously, people would take the live trading leader board seriously. When I click on the individual names, over 90% of these guys are trading demo. There's a reason no one takes it seriously.


If Jigsaw wants a serious and "professional" platform, they need to take this seriously. At this point, people look at Jigsaw as a joke. I mean seriously. The guys in #1 and #2 are making $500k or losing that amount on demo. Really?


I don't know why Peter won't make the adjustment. He can even have a feature to filter out only live trading and you see who really does well. Then people will really look at Jigsaw as a serious platform.

Supposedly, they're a "competitor to Trading Technologies X_Trader. There's no competition. X_Trader blows them away. Maybe if they took every aspect of their business seriously and catered to serious traders, people would view this different.

This isn't my view only. I talk to a lot of traders and hear the same thing across the board.

It's a simple fix. Fix that and people will respect Jigsaw. Making a guy #1 because he can trade 1,000 ES contracts on DEMO is a joke. Seriously. We want to see real live trades. We want to see how real traders with real money are doing. No one cares about some guy trading Monopoly money. We all have that ability to trade that way. We want to see who actually does well with REAL money. Peter I hope you read this and actually implement a change.

I don't know one trader(Jigsaw user or otherwise)who cares one iota about some other traders results.The main reason most traders I know who are using it...are using it for execution practice and concept/trade setup validation...in SIM. The crazy pnl swings you are seeing are non-serious results and so what!?Who cares what someone else is doing or not doing?It's not a trade copy service or trader sim audition...you have Topstep for that. As long as "you" take your use of it seriously...nothing else matters.

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Actually if it was real trades, you would have a serous benchmark to compare your trades to. In that sense, it would be useful. With Jigsaw not splitting fake trades from real trades, you can't take that benchmark seriously.

They advertise it as the entire package. Execution. Journal. If that's the case, part of what you're paying for should be to compare your live trades to others grinding it out.

Am I profitable? Yes. Do I make a living off of trading? Yes I don't have another job and pay my bills from this. It would be nice to compare how I do to others that are trading live as well.

That's not only my opinion. Other traders I've talked to feel the same. Some may not care about comparing live trades to what other live traders are doing but a lot of traders do care about that. What they don't want is to compare to some guy trading Monopoly money. It's technically an easy add in for Jigsaw to implement if they wanted. It's been a requested feature for a long time but Peter seems hesitant to implement that. Maybe seeing traders "making" $500k would provide incentive for potential customers? IDK.

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