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I am pleased to announce that we have added Jigsaw Trading to our Elite Partner program.



This means that Elite Members can receive a 10% discount off the purchase of a Jigsaw Lifetime License.

Note: Big Mike Trading does NOT receive compensation for these referrals, we simply worked out these special deals to help our Elite Members who have chosen to support the site. Even though we believe these are great products and services, you should always do your own research before doing business with a company.

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is that the reason he's not labeled as a "vendor" anymore? lol


No, it has nothing to do with it.

There is an error in the reputation script at the moment that will delete the Vendor text when someone is promoted to Market Wizard. I have my developer working on it already.

I also want to remind you, and everyone else of the following:

Note: Big Mike Trading does NOT receive compensation for these referrals, we simply worked out these special deals to help our Elite Members who have chosen to support the site. Even though we believe these are great products and services, you should always do your own research before doing business with a company.

Just in case you missed reading that -- because it almost sounds like you are inferring something nefarious on my part.

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No, it has nothing to do with it.

There is an error in the reputation script at the moment that will delete the Vendor text when someone is promoted to Market Wizard. I have my developer working on it already.

I also want to remind you, and everyone else of the following:

Note: Big Mike Trading does NOT receive compensation for these referrals, we simply worked out these special deals to help our Elite Members who have chosen to support the site. Even though we believe these are great products and services, you should always do your own research before doing business with a company.

Just in case you missed reading that -- because it almost sounds like you are inferring something nefarious on my part.

Mike

really!!

I was pretty sure it had something to do with the market wizard status. but I wasn't sure if you saw it, because I didn't see the problem mentioned anywhere (of course I might have missed it).

so, I'm really sorry for trying to be helpful.


ps and yes you're right, I normally don't read that stuff in red. because I couldn't care less either way. and it's none of my business anyway.

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Hey all, I've been SIM trading for a few months now and my main focus has been order flow scalping combined with aspects of market profile theory, day types, POC's etc etc. I'm a big advcoator of the Jigsaw Tools, in my opinion they're almost essential for scalping the thicker markets. I'm also a believer in the methodology of John Grady of NO BS Trading. Seeing as this is an appropriate thread I'd like to post a video of a trade I took today using the Jigsaw Platform and explain how, to me, it can be used properly to execute a trade based on whatever premise it may be (fading, playing the breakout, trading value etc). My expertise lies not with making videos, so the quality is pretty s****y. Play the video in the highest quality and you should be able to see the numbers on the tape on the right hand side of the screen.

This trade was taken just minutes after the market had opened, the thesis of the trade was trying to catch the opening drive, and it was taken based on several factors which I will try to explain as well as my thought process during the trade and my entries.



Basically the way that I see it the market at the opening bell can do one of two things: Show strong conviction to one side or the other, or range until a directional bias is formed and the market takes off one direction. The market opened at 1754 even and sold down to 1752.50, now at this point I'm looking to do two things, short the opening drive to the downside or play it the opposite way and look for the drive to the upside. On the reconstructed tape on the right I have a size filter set to only show order sizes 50 or larger, with a block filter set at 100. As the market approaches 1752.50 you will see that there is decent size stepping up to buy into the selling pressure, and what follows large size at the market will be large size on the limit, if that makes sense. The big boys use algos not only to piece in a large order in smaller quantities, they also use them as a defense mechanism as the market goes against them in the form of large limits, or limits that will constantly refresh, even instantly build as price ticks up or down. This is most apparent in the last 15 minutes that the market is open when these algos are firing at all cylinders. It is not uncommon during this time to see 10 thousand plus contracts on the ES trade at one price and not go bid or offer as they try to push price in one direction or another at the close. However without the Jigsaw depth and sales DOM you will have an extremely hard time detecting these things as they occur, the bid refreshing, large hidden orders on the limit that are used in order to hold price where it is etc. In the video at 1:46 to 1:51 1752.25 will go offer from 1752.50 and then tick back up, as soon as it does there are instantly 500+ contracts built on the bid. So, size buying on the way down and instant refreshing on the bid as it ticks up means that: someone is trying stop the market where it is, and you better believe they will bid it up. Using both the Jigsaw DOM and recon sales you can recognize that this is happening, and can prevent you from getting ran over going short. You can see there is some decent size selling on the way down but at this point I know it's going to take a huge push, thousands of contracts to push this through any lower, this rules out any conviction down and means 1 of 2 things, the market is going to at least range and there is a strong possibility that there is going to be a drive to the upside, past the opening price at 1754. At around 2:00 minutes I see a quick pop to the upside and so I enter on a limit at 1752.75 and the trade quickly goes in my favor. At this point I'm hoping for a quick pop past the open to 1756 and if it doesn't then I'm out. This is where the Jigsaw tools again provide vital information. I work the order at 1754, I could have gotten another tick or so but just as the big players stuck the market at 1752.50, the big players on the opposite side start to do the same thing around 1754.25, which is ultimately what causes the market to range at the open: there is no consensus on where fair, accepted value should be. If you have large size in agreement at the opening bell, that's when the market can move 5 or 6 points rapidly in 1 direction. It wasn't the trade I was hoping for but a 5 tick scalp in under 2 minutes is nothing to turn your nose up at. Once you see size step up to sell the market, the offers start refreshing and rapidly build on a tick down there is absolutely no point in staying in the trade from a scalping standpoint, which you will see if you look closely at the offer side of the market as I get out of the trade. This is what sets Jigsaw apart from other DOMS and other order flow software, by effectively learning to use it, it allows you be able to recognize these things as they happen. Price eventually did reach 1756, it wasn't until about 10 minutes later and not before price actually fell through my entry, which unfortunately isn't on my video, but even then I could have simply re entered the trade. If you are considering order flow as a method of trading, then there is absolutely nothing that can compare to the Jigsaw tools, IMO.


I'm considering making more videos (hopefully better quality) in a journal centered around my current methodology; hopefully those who read this post and watch the video find it entertaining and can take something from it. You might have to watch it a couple time to really pick up on what I'm saying, being able to ascertain the information that the Jigsaw platform is providing you with takes a while to pick up on.


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I've been wanting to trade using order flow analysis for a long time. I'm glad I found this group. I believe Jigsaw has a lot to offer traders. Here is a video of one of my favorite CL trades using Jigsaw's order analysis tools.

I'm sorry about the video quality.

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This is just a note to let everyone know that Jigsaw Trading is now a futures.io (formerly BMT) site sponsor. A product demo promotional webinar will be scheduled for the near future.

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This is just a note to let everyone know that Jigsaw Trading is now a futures.io (formerly BMT) site sponsor. A product demo promotional webinar will be scheduled for the near future.

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No, it has nothing to do with it.

There is an error in the reputation script at the moment that will delete the Vendor text when someone is promoted to Market Wizard. I have my developer working on it already.

I also want to remind you, and everyone else of the following:

Note: Big Mike Trading does NOT receive compensation for these referrals, we simply worked out these special deals to help our Elite Members who have chosen to support the site. Even though we believe these are great products and services, you should always do your own research before doing business with a company.

Just in case you missed reading that -- because it almost sounds like you are inferring something nefarious on my part.

Mike



I have noticed a distinct pattern in the type of companies you allow to be site sponsors. They are consistently
great people with great products.

Don't think you're sneaking anything past me

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I have noticed a distinct pattern in the type of companies you allow to be site sponsors. They are consistently
great people with great products.

Don't think you're sneaking anything past me

grazie

The promotion you quoted existed long before they became a sponsor. futures.io (formerly BMT) still receives no compensation for any referral.

You'll note there are multiple offers for Elite Members from companies that are not site sponsors. They are independent of each other.

In addition, I routinely and consistently deny offers from companies that hand out referrals or affiliate compensation agreements.

I also routinely deny site sponsorship based on having high standards. If I had no such standards I could have far, far more money in my pocket. But I also couldn't sleep at night.

There are countless companies that take advantage of inexperienced traders. I do my part to fight them.

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Anyone has experience with Jigsaw Live trading room durin Eurex session with the trader named Stephen Kelly?
I heard he trades his live account and show his DOM in the room?
Any feedbacks or reviews?
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Why not take a free trial to see for yourself? Peterīs a stand-up guy and as transparent as they come in my experience - Iīm going to check it out myself, didnīt know he had a live room.




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I think the trial period is gone.I didnt have much time to join during the trial period coz of the fact that the room only runs 3 hours during european session. During short period of time I was in there during the trial, Stephen didnt trade live and only talked about his method.So,I am not sure he is trading live now.
There is no trial now I guess

Yes. I canīt find a free trial either. That surprises me. Iīd too welcome reviews on this trade room, Iīm not putting down any hard cash without a trial (or at the least a money back guarantee), been down that road too many times now.

Thereīs a few links for chat room/live room/ but I canīt see any current trial. Maybe Peter can confirm?

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Why not take a free trial to see for yourself? Peterīs a stand-up guy and as transparent as they come in my experience - Iīm going to check it out myself, didnīt know he had a live room.





Yes. I canīt find a free trial either. That surprises me. Iīd too welcome reviews on this trade room, Iīm not putting down any hard cash without a trial (or at the least a money back guarantee), been down that road too many times now.

Thereīs a few links for chat room/live room/ but I canīt see any current trial. Maybe Peter can confirm?

it used to be on skype before he moved it,

so, where is it now?>

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I saw a few posts on this elsewhere, the free trial has apparently been stopped and replaced with a 14 day no questions money back guarantee.

Personally I like the look of it from looking at the functionality it offers, looks like a very powerful DOM especially. Not sure I'd execute off of it though, simply because of the extra cost (As I've said elsewhere I'm personally not a fan of extra monthly costs).

I must add, I'm like you in that I'm very careful before parting with cash on tools. But I like what I've seen so far so I'm going to see for myself and take it from there. Overall the cost is very competitive for what they offer, so not something I'll quibble over spending on it if it turns out to be useful.

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Not ignoring you guys - but this is a review thread, so it's not the place for me to discuss the products, it's a place for other people to do it.

There is an AMA thread where you can stick pins in me though....


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Why not take a free trial to see for yourself? Peterīs a stand-up guy and as transparent as they come in my experience - Iīm going to check it out myself, didnīt know he had a live room.





Yes. I canīt find a free trial either. That surprises me. Iīd too welcome reviews on this trade room, Iīm not putting down any hard cash without a trial (or at the least a money back guarantee), been down that road too many times now.

Thereīs a few links for chat room/live room/ but I canīt see any current trial. Maybe Peter can confirm?

I only re-posted this in this thread because Big Mike said to, to avoid a "split topic". Just to re-interate, this discussion started by Justtradeit84 was about the Stephen Kelly room, not about "Jigsaw Trading Products".

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I saw a few posts on this elsewhere, the free trial has apparently been stopped and replaced with a 14 day no questions money back guarantee.

Personally I like the look of it from looking at the functionality it offers, looks like a very powerful DOM especially. Not sure I'd execute off of it though, simply because of the extra cost (As I've said elsewhere I'm personally not a fan of extra monthly costs).

I must add, I'm like you in that I'm very careful before parting with cash on tools. But I like what I've seen so far so I'm going to see for myself and take it from there. Overall the cost is very competitive for what they offer, so not something I'll quibble over spending on it if it turns out to be useful.


The DOM is brilliant, hands down the best DOM on the market, of any I have ever tested anyway. For the money itīs exceptional.

The last posts were actually regarding the Steven Kelly trade room which is hosted by Jigsaw and the lack of free trial for that service, so the "split topic" issue has actually caused confusion IMO.

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Pete's response time can be frustrating if your having an issue but, overall its a great product and Pete does a good job helping you set things up and get trading. I'm still not a fan of not looking at charts.... but using this dom over the summer when its slow will probably help your entries. I don't have the best luck using his ideas on the ES but the 30yr works much better. If I use the Dom and a renko chart on the side its easier for me to understand the overall flow of the market for the day.

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It would be nice to have an option which would allow to combine the two middle columns of the recent trades into one.

Until now I used volume profile on X_trader, but if I have to constantly look at it and if I blink I could miss the difference that's been added, especially when there have been trades at that price earlier that day. If it goes from 16853 contracts to 18134 I might miss it. In fact, I miss it all the time. Jigsaw would definitely be an advantage but using three DOMs and charts these two columns seem like way too much information for me. I don't care if somebody sees an opportunity and dumps a tick or somebody buys in the wrong place. I'd not be able to follow three doms like that.

Thanks!

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Jigsawtrading 5.3 now adds a new punch , the orderflow heatmap. .

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Jigsawtrading 5.3 now adds a new punch , the orderflow heatmap. .

Thanks, didn't know that. Any chance you could show a detailed pic of it, and how we'd use it? Or perhaps Peter already has a video on it? Cool, thanks again, gh

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Thanks, didn't know that. Any chance you could show a detailed pic of it, and how we'd use it? Or perhaps Peter already has a video on it? Cool, thanks again, gh





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I hope Jigsaw adds the ability to adjust brightness to the heatmap.

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I hope Jigsaw adds the ability to adjust brightness to the heatmap.


Make sure you contribute your suggestions/thoughts on the Jigsaw Auction Vista beta forum at Peters website.

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Jigsawtrading 5.3 now adds a new punch , the orderflow heatmap. .

Nice...So Jigsaw copied Bookmap, who copied Nanex.

Jigsaw might aswell just add all the same features as Bookmap and then try and innovate from there.

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Nice...So Jigsaw copied Bookmap, who copied Nanex.

Jigsaw might aswell just add all the same features as Bookmap and then try and innovate from there.

You don't trade heatmap without understanding of orderflow. Else its just a fancy set of discolights.

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Seeing this is a vendors and product reviews thread I thought I'd chip in and add my 2 cents.

I'm nearing the end of my second week of Jigsaw tools adoption. If I were to sum up my experience in one sentence: I wish I had got this sooner.

Since late July last year I had been studying Order Flow concepts and videos. I had amassed several hours of screen-time watching the DOM (I have CQG which has a decent ladder), but I was still struggling to make sense of where the strenght of a move was.

Certainly all the time I had put in studying helped but it was only when I had these tools in front of me that I could apply what I had studied. Within the space of a couple of days, I was able to 'see' what was going on, as it were.

These tools are definitely keeping me out of otherwise bad trades. If in the past I were tempted to click the mouse, now I have a much better grasp of the developing situation and can weed out setups where entering is not a good idea.

It's early days but my entries also seem to be more precise as well, which of course is helpful because it makes me limit my downside risk.

This is an excerpt from my trading log of today: "[...] the belief was that price had a good chance to go down. It did go down about 14 ticks my way before reversing. That's when I held the trade. In the end it reached my intended risk limit following a burst of many buy orders (including one above 1000), seeing as the price had reached my risk limit I got out, thinking there may be a chance that the bulls would take control. Also the volume difference between buyers and sellers had narrowed whereas before it was leaning on the sellers side."

Three weeks ago I could not have written something like that, because I had no way to read the market this way.

It's like John said in the Bible "I was blind, but now I see"

I look forward to developing further my use and understanding of the tools and in the future incorporating the ones I have yet to explore.

Thanks Jigsaw.

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I've been using Jigsaw for several years now. It's a great product. I recommend you use it with EminiWatch.

These tools are for experienced traders. You must learn the fundamentals first and supplement it with basics in volume and divergence. These tools are not just red light green light systems. Most beginners will blow up just following blindly. Study first, learn how the markets work, and then trade.

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Hi,

i want to know if it's possible with the jigsaw dom to have the last volume traded at bid/ask. I don't want the accumulated volume, only the last volume traded.



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Not ignoring you guys - but this is a review thread, so it's not the place for me to discuss the products, it's a place for other people to do it.

There is an AMA thread where you can stick pins in me though....


lol nice one. why pins if headed in the right direction. however need more

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lazy sunday...trying to play with data and 1st attempt at Ninja's market replay which is sweet.

Had some of the OF tools up and JS also.

Data played back 8-23-2015 approx 22.14 pst. JS caught the quick upturn shown here...though few points. All OF tools are great so is JS with the heatmap and DOM.
Jigsaw is a great OF tool....however expectations are high


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lazy sunday...trying to play with data and 1st attempt at Ninja's market replay which is sweet.

Had some of the OF tools up and JS also.

Data played back 8-23-2015 approx 22.14 pst. JS caught the quick upturn shown here...though few points. All OF tools are great so is JS with the heatmap and DOM.
Jigsaw is a great OF tool....however expectations are high


JS & BM, you are keen! All you're missing now is Jtools!

It's interesting seeing what other people look at when following orderflow. It's often very different to what I'm looking for.

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JS & BM, you are keen! All you're missing now is Jtools!

It's interesting seeing what other people look at when following orderflow. It's often very different to what I'm looking for.

lol....this is not for trading. This is to refine certain entry.exit if at all.

I dont really share any of the stuff i trade off.

Thats all in the charts.....any OF event is plotted there. However the above tools Jigsaw / BM/AD are great and can also catch significant OF events.

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Btw have you played with jtools. Nanex feed cannot be compared to the feeds and stuff we talk of here.

Jtools their free tools for the feed ofcouse is great.

That will come too...in course of time. Not now. May not need jtools the feed itself is okay once on that level with custom development.

also its not just about speeds and feed or great tools. Ofcourse with some feeds like nanex you can do more.
But at the sametime if you see hftalerts stuff which uses nanex. I think i have quite similar stuff....with a platform such as tradestation catching exact events

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lol....this is not for trading. This is to refine certain entry.exit if at all.

I dont really share any of the stuff i trade off.

Thats all in the charts.....any OF event is plotted there. However the above tools Jigsaw / BM/AD are great and can also catch significant OF events.

Haha fair enough, either do I.

I can't agree with the premise that "it's all in the charts", it sounds like the talk of some disillusioned chartist, which I'm sure isn't you!... If you're following the order book, then you're getting a glimpse of information that isn't already on the chart, might be hidden on the chart, or might not ever show up on the chart, however, could still have had some potential influence on where the market traded.

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Haha fair enough, either do I.

I can't agree with the premise that "it's all in the charts", it sounds like the talk of some disillusioned chartist, which I'm sure isn't you!... If you're following the order book, then you're getting a glimpse of information that isn't already on the chart, might be hidden on the chart, or might not ever show up on the chart, however, could still have had some potential influence on where the market traded.

Hi everything of the DOM is eventually plotted on a chart. anyways will not go against you. but as these tools are refined and other capabilities added.....i think astute traders can take advantage of the same to integrate into their trades. also not everything is of the DOM......lol....truth is multidimensional. you cannot capture the entire market of the DOM....unless reading tape to a fair degree via various exchanges. again possible of tradestation.

anyways for this conversation...i think JS and some of the tools i mentioned.....are continuously being improved. If i miss something on a chart...which is shown in these tools....i want to have it. so you are correct in some sorts

as a trader....i dont think...one should be concerned how many tools...how many feeds one uses. as much of this is also analytic or research. If profitable and on the correct side....none of the above matters is what i think.

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Btw have you played with jtools. Nanex feed cannot be compared to the feeds and stuff we talk of here.

Jtools their free tools for the feed ofcouse is great.

That will come too...in course of time. Not now. May not need jtools the feed itself is okay once on that level with custom development.

also its not just about speeds and feed or great tools. Ofcourse with some feeds like nanex you can do more.
But at the sametime if you see hftalerts stuff which uses nanex. I think i have quite similar stuff....with a platform such as tradestation catching exact events

Not personally, I've seen it in use, though. That's where I first came across the heatmap.

I'm not sure if I would ever really utilize a Nanax solution.

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Hi everything of the DOM is eventually plotted on a chart. anyways will not go against you. but as these tools are refined and other capabilities added.....i think astute traders can take advantage of the same to integrate into their trades. also not everything is of the DOM......lol....truth is multidimensional. you cannot capture the entire market of the DOM....unless reading tape to a fair degree via various exchanges. again possible of tradestation.

anyways for this conversation...i think JS and some of the tools i mentioned.....are continuously being improved. If i miss something on a chart...which is shown in these tools....i want to have it. so you are correct in some sorts

as a trader....i dont think...one should be concerned how many tools...how many feeds one uses. as much of this is also analytic or research. If profitable and on the correct side....none of the above matters is what i think.

At the end of the day you want to keep things as simple as possible, therefore, use the least amount of tools as possible. I guess the same is true even for an algorithmic solution, where you want to limit the degrees of freedom.

I think everyone has their own delusional belief about the market and use tools or certain events to rationalize it. My opinion is that if what you believe works for you, then so be it.

IMO orderflow tools like Jigsaw help in providing certain traders with an edge, or at least make them privy to information that influences their trade decisions- it can paint a picture of the nuances that make you profitable. The heatmap/ Auction Vista is like a hack for people with limited experience of how to trade from the orderbook, where instead of having to remember how the book reacted at certain levels, you now have a record of it with visible reference points.

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Lol..let's keep this to jigsaw and my last post on this

I think jigsaw is good..has good intent. I don't use it to take trades. I use for analysis.

However if some benefit from it... I will only support it.
For me personally though I don't take trades of jigsaw... I see no harm for people who use it. It's their choice and whatever suits them. Some use MP..some OF..etc etcc. I think there is no right ..or wrong. Atleast I won't comment.

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Hi,

I launch again the question, because more posts were added and i want to know if it's possible with the jigsaw dom to have the last volume traded at bid/ask. I don't want the accumulated volume, only the last volume traded. I know that jigsaw have snapshot trades, but my interest is only to have the best bid/best ask with the last volume traded. I don't know if it exist on jigsaw on there is a way to do it in the configuration.



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Hi,

I launch again the question, because more posts were added and i want to know if it's possible with the jigsaw dom to have the last volume traded at bid/ask. I don't want the accumulated volume, only the last volume traded. I know that jigsaw have snapshot trades, but my interest is only to have the best bid/best ask with the last volume traded. I don't know if it exist on jigsaw on there is a way to do it in the configuration.



Thank's



For sure the built in NinjaTrader super DOM just has what you are looking for, the last trade vol. Also the Rtape or regular time and sales gives you the last traded vol. On ES this last traded vol changes so rapidly it's extremely hard to make use or sense of it thats why adding it up, accumulating it, at each price has such a benefit, at least during RTH.

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For sure the built in NinjaTrader super DOM just has what you are looking for, the last trade vol. Also the Rtape or regular time and sales gives you the last traded vol. On ES this last traded vol changes so rapidly it's extremely hard to make use or sense of it thats why adding it up, accumulating it, at each price has such a benefit, at least during RTH.

Ron

Hi Ron,

Thank's for your input. I have the jigsaw dom and want to know if it's possible to configure the dom in the way i want or not. I try it to do it but i wasn't able to do it. I have 9g and i have this option, but i compared with other dom and the info that i receive from 9g seems to be incomplete.
I wil ask in the 9g thread becasue maybe is somenthing that i configure incorrectly

BTW i don't know if i can get this with the jigsaw dom. About the use, can be useful when you are looking only that, no more parameters, looking what is taken and what is added. The eyes and mind can capture this with practice and can be used in the trading with

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Hi Ron,



Thank's for your input. I have the jigsaw dom and want to know if it's possible to configure the dom in the way i want or not. I try it to do it but i wasn't able to do it. I have 9g and i have this option, but i compared with other dom and the info that i receive from 9g seems to be incomplete.

I wil ask in the 9g thread becasue maybe is somenthing that i configure incorrectly



BTW i don't know if i can get this with the jigsaw dom. About the use, can be useful when you are looking only that, no more parameters, looking what is taken and what is added.

The eyes and mind can capture this with practice and can be used in the trading with



Only issue with the eyes catching the info is that the platform and the screen can only show some of the info during RTH due to the swiftness of the action so whatever you see is not the complete story. We are taking about milliseconds between trades, a single second divided into hundreds and hundreds of trades at different points during RTH and being so, indiscernible.

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I think on the Jigsaw DOM you could reduce the circled current trades option down from 2.5 seconds to 0 or 1 millisecond so as soon as price moves up or down it resets. If I have understood you correctly.

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I think on the Jigsaw DOM you could reduce the circled current trades option down from 2.5 seconds to 0 or 1 millisecond so as soon as price moves up or down it resets. If I have understood you correctly.

Hi @matthew28
Thank's. Seems that maybe this is what i need. I will try it and i will let you know.
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Coming back after Easter I found my Jigsaw DOM missing one level. I mean: it will only show 19 levels instead of 20, alternatively scraping one level on the bid or on the ask, apparently with no particular method. This happens on both my PCs, located in different places and totally different internet connections.

However, Jigsaw DOM works fine in replay. So I would guess this might depend on the interaction between Jigsaw and my data feed (Continuum).

Anyone else experiencing my same problem?

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Coming back after Easter I found my Jigsaw DOM missing one level. I mean: it will only show 19 levels instead of 20, alternatively scraping one level on the bid or on the ask, apparently with no particular method. This happens on both my PCs, located in different places and totally different internet connections.

However, Jigsaw DOM works fine in replay. So I would guess this might depend on the interaction between Jigsaw and my data feed (Continuum).

Anyone else experiencing my same problem?

not sure.... will keep any eye out. however the magic happens within the 1st 10 levels of depth. most of the trading mechanisms/agents adjust/re-adjust within the 1st 10 is what i understand...and that is what should move price up and down.

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not sure.... will keep any eye out. however the magic happens within the 1st 10 levels of depth. most of the trading mechanisms/agents adjust/re-adjust within the 1st 10 is what i understand...and that is what should move price up and down.

Paps, I'm probably not getting your point, I'm afraid. What I'm trying to say is that, since a few days, Jigsaw doesn't show all the levels, as in this screenshot where I compare Ninja Level II and Jigsaw:



as you can see, Jigsaw shows only 9 levels on the bid, whereas Ninja correctly shows also the 10th level (2055.00 with 736 contracts).

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chk if this helps..by configuring in settings

Thank you Paps, I already tried different numbers>10 for those settings to no avail.
I will try after Globex opening to do the opposite, setting only 9 lavels, to see if at least I can have the same number of levels on both sides of the dom. It would be a temporary workaround.

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Thank you Paps, I already tried different numbers>10 for those settings to no avail.
I will try after Globex opening to do the opposite, setting only 9 lavels, to see if at least I can have the same number of levels on both sides of the dom. It would be a temporary workaround.

I've been told by Jigsaw support that they will fix this in the next release.

I have now reduced the DOM to 9+9 levels as Paps suggested, and the displayed info seems to be reliable again now.

UPDATE: no way! Even if I reduce the number of levels Jigsaw will not update the DOM correctly.

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I've been told by Jigsaw support that they will fix this in the next release.

I have now reduced the DOM to 9+9 levels as Paps suggested, and the displayed info seems to be reliable again now.

UPDATE: no way! Even if I reduce the number of levels Jigsaw will not update the DOM correctly.

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Here are the changes in Jigsaw beta 5.....



Peter is by far, by FFFFAAAARRRRR, the fastest in bringing updates, beta and regular, new and useful features, to the trading community hands down!!! He must have an army of developers.....lol

Peter @DionysusToast I hope you sell more Jigsaw memberships than you can currently imagine!!! You completely deserve 10's of millions in revenue!

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FYI - the issue was with Ninja + Continuum feed.

All fixed if you download the latest version now.

Peter, thank you very much! It's great to have Jigsaw D&S back up and running! I also appreciate the personal effort you put into this.

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I just purchased Jigsaw a few days ago and installed version 5.3f. I can get Auction Vista working but I was wondering if it's possible to change the timezone setting on the x-axis to my local time. I cannot see where to do that on indicator settings or even on the setup icon (wrench) on the jigsaw DOM box.

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Hi guys,

It is my pleasure to welcome back Peter Davies from Jigsaw Trading on Monday, September 26th @ 4:30PM Eastern US.

This webinar takes a look at the Jigsaw Tools in a stand alone environment. Historically, the Jigsaw tools have been plug-ins for existing trading platforms. Now it is being transitioned to a stand alone platform. In effect, the goal is to plug gaps that traditional charting platforms ignore without turning Jigsaw into a traditional charting platform!

This will be the first webinar where we discuss the architecture of the product, the unique features and take a look at where Jigsaw is heading in the future.

- One size fits all platforms vs specialization
- The plug-in isn't dead! New platforms supported
- Standing Alone. The benefits to users and Jigsaw
- Traditional platform 'bug bears' and why we avoided them
- Exit strategies
- Intelligent orders
- Exchange Traded Spreads
- Volume Stops
- What's coming next?
- How will this impact the existing 3000+ users?

Stocks, futures and options can be charted the same way but trade execution tools are massively different between them. Traditionally we have mostly seen charting platforms and execution platforms combined. In our opinion that's like combining your toaster and your lawnmower. Charting is absolutely important but execution can no longer take a back seat.

You can visit Jigsaw's website here:
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I can only wish all the best for Peter Davies and the Jigsaw team for taking the leap to standalone! Their tools, attitude and helpfulness is one of the best I have come across in the retail trading business.

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I'm looking into jigsaw trading and honestly I'm so new at this that I need a bit of guidance making a decision.

I've seen positive reviews so far, and I want to ask those traders who were once at a similar situation to mine.

I know nothing about the DOM, or about time and sales. Am I better off learning the DOM on NinjaTrader first and then looking into something like jigsaw? Or is jigsaw easy enough to pick up on its own that I'm better off just diving right in?

Would you say this is too much for a trader who's been full time live for ~6 weeks? I know this is a big gap in my trading style so I want to learn it ASAP, but I often tend to bite off more than I can chew.

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I would recommend to start with Jigsaw. Not so much because I, and many here do recommend it, but because it has all you need to start learning, and is highly configurable, unlike NT's DOM which is just as useful as staring at a wall. You can look and look you will not see much, even more so as a beginner. Jigsaw is a no-brainer here!


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I'm looking into jigsaw trading and honestly I'm so new at this that I need a bit of guidance making a decision.

I've seen positive reviews so far, and I want to ask those traders who were once at a similar situation to mine.

I know nothing about the DOM, or about time and sales. Am I better off learning the DOM on NinjaTrader first and then looking into something like jigsaw? Or is jigsaw easy enough to pick up on its own that I'm better off just diving right in?

Would you say this is too much for a trader who's been full time live for ~6 weeks? I know this is a big gap in my trading style so I want to learn it ASAP, but I often tend to bite off more than I can chew.

DOM without context is useless but I took a look at your trading journal and it looks like you have a methodology that can provide you with that context.

It may take several months to be very good at it but depends on how long you spend on it. I had a month of drills in the Futex price ladder course before they shut it down (without telling customers) but you can find some of their lessons on youtube. Here is one:



They don't have all their lessons from the course on youtube but some good ones. I also recommend Grady's NoBSdaytrading courses.

It will just take time and you will get a feel for it. After getting used to it you'll realize that candles lag and you don't have to depend on a candle to close for confirm that you have to get out of a trade.

I don't recommend learning it on a fast market like CL but as John Grady suggests learning it on a slow and thick market like the 30-year Treasury. In the price ladder drills we often did them on the Bund.

Good luck and have fun!

BTW I'm also Canadian, from Vancouver.

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@SoftSoap
Agree with the above. Watch John Grady's first webinar for this forum
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He is a jigsaw user and you will see why watching the Ninja DOM will be unproductive. And then John did a second webinar last night which should be uploaded today or tomorrow.

The Jigsaw product is very good and they do a lot of continued development on it.

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Thank you @NGtraderand @matthew28. Nice to hear some reassurance.

Does anyone know if there is a free trial available? I'm pretty set on buying this but I'm the kind of guy who likes to test drive things first to feel comfortable.

I found something a trial eminitrader JigSaw Trading Free Demo Request - Eminis Trader

But I didn't see that on the main jigsaw trading website and I'm a bit hesitant to give out my information to an unknown site.

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Thank you @NGtraderand @matthew28. Nice to hear some reassurance.

Does anyone know if there is a free trial available? I'm pretty set on buying this but I'm the kind of guy who likes to test drive things first to feel comfortable.

I found something a trial eminitrader JigSaw Trading Free Demo Request - Eminis Trader

But I didn't see that on the main jigsaw trading website and I'm a bit hesitant to give out my information to an unknown site.

You're welcome Softsoap.

Actually when you buy it from the official Jigsaw Trading website you can use it for 14 days and if you aren't happy you can request a refund:

Buy Now

Buy the software, get the course, join the community. If you want a refund within the first 14 days, send us an email and we will give a refund.

This is what happened with a friend of mine, she does not have reliable internet where she lives so she could not make full use of the tool and she asked for a refund and got it.

I know 14 days isn't a lot of time.

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If its Order Flow one needs to watch. Jigsaw is one of the finest tools out there.

however typically order flow or the sense of it when seen on the DOM is intimidating if looking at it 1st time.....unless already good with the concepts and have watched DOMs in the past.

hence per mho if someone just does 14days....may not really get a sense of the tool. And if not savvy with OF...will be just numbers flashing on the DOM. Like everything takes time to learn n digest..so does tools.

i can vouch for amazing support ....its been yyyyears since i got this. However Pete recently spent more than an hour or two on some stuff i was facing with no expectation for any future business.

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You're welcome Softsoap.

Actually when you buy it from the official Jigsaw Trading website you can use it for 14 days and if you aren't happy you can request a refund:

Buy Now

Buy the software, get the course, join the community. If you want a refund within the first 14 days, send us an email and we will give a refund.

This is what happened with a friend of mine, she does not have reliable internet where she lives so she could not make full use of the tool and she asked for a refund and got it.

I know 14 days isn't a lot of time.


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Good points on the 14 days.

IMO - there's only 1 way to go in those 14 days & that's with the "new to Jigsaw Tools" video...

It's what we send to all new customers and gives you a structured way to spend the first 14 days.

Drills, 1-2 times a day, 60-90 mins a time. Or more if you have a brain the size of a planet.

The point is that of course you can't become an expert in order flow in 14 days but you can get enough out of the trial to see if that's the direction you want to go in.


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If its Order Flow one needs to watch. Jigsaw is one of the finest tools out there.

however typically order flow or the sense of it when seen on the DOM is intimidating if looking at it 1st time.....unless already good with the concepts and have watched DOMs in the past.

hence per mho if someone just does 14days....may not really get a sense of the tool. And if not savvy with OF...will be just numbers flashing on the DOM. Like everything takes time to learn n digest..so does tools.

i can vouch for amazing support ....its been yyyyears since i got this. However Pete recently spent more than an hour or two on some stuff i was facing with no expectation for any future business.

cheers n goodluck

I have not looked at the video but your tool should help you answer simple questions like price is testing the prior day high at 2186.25 do i fade or wait for a break and take the PB for more continuation? Price makes an impulsive move up and retraces to the VWAP or VPOC do i take the PB at this level? Price chops around the 1 min. opening range and value is overlaping this area with a slight bias down, what do i do... wait for more info or take a trade at the open after an impulsive move to the downside etc etc etc.

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I have not looked at the video but your tool should help you answer simple questions like price is testing the prior day high at 2186.25 do i fade or wait for a break and take the PB for more continuation? Price makes an impulsive move up and retraces to the VWAP or VPOC do i take the PB at this level? Price chops around the 1 min. opening range and value is overlaping this area with a slight bias down, what do i do... wait for more info or take a trade at the open after an impulsive move to the downside etc etc etc.

What you say is valid. I think the tool does that if one can understand the tool.

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Softsoap when I bought Jigsaw in May I made the commitment to myself that I would really put in the effort to learn it. I'm usually one to get something, use it half-heartedly then jump to something else. I'm trying to change that pattern.

Even if you pick up one thing from it ie. absorption and learning how to spot an iceberg order it will help your trading within a short time.

Check out the PATS thread where I have been posting my SIM trades and I include markups in the DOM to explain why I entered or exited:


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Thanks everyone for the advice, you guys have been extremely helpful.
I'm going to make my purchase on Monday so I get the most out of that 14 day period.

I have 2 questions that are data-related that I didn't see on the FAQ:
Is the data from IB good enough? or do I need to get non-filtered data?
My understanding is you need additional data to run the DOM properly, my current subcriptions on IB data are:
  • CME (GLOBEX) Level II Non-Professional
  • US Securities and Futures Value Bundle

Will I be able to use all the jigsaw products properly or do I need to subscribe to a new set of data?

I trade the NQ by the way.

PS- I started watching some of the videos and wow I can honestly say I am very impressed. I'm a visual learner so I love video formats. I got a lot to watch this weekend!

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Thanks everyone for the advice, you guys have been extremely helpful.
I'm going to make my purchase on Monday so I get the most out of that 14 day period.

I have 2 questions that are data-related that I didn't see on the FAQ:
Is the data from IB good enough? or do I need to get non-filtered data?
My understanding is you need additional data to run the DOM properly, my current subcriptions on IB data are:
  • CME (GLOBEX) Level II Non-Professional
  • US Securities and Futures Value Bundle

Will I be able to use all the jigsaw products properly or do I need to subscribe to a new set of data?

I trade the NQ by the way.

PS- I started watching some of the videos and wow I can honestly say I am very impressed. I'm a visual learner so I love video formats. I got a lot to watch this weekend!

Unfortunately IB data is definitely not good enough. Which of course is a pain, and means additional expense - I subscribe to IQ feed which then powers Ninja, which I have only started using so I could install Jigsaw (you can use IQF on the free Ninja : Ninja will try to direct you towards Kinetik which is fine, but you do have the option...)
Pete Davies/Jigsaw will shortly be releasing a stand alone edition which cuts out the need for running Ninja. But you will still have to pay for a quality data feed.

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Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has done any research into the difference between Jigsaw's Vista and Book Map?

Thank you in advance

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Hi,



I was wondering if anyone has done any research into the difference between Jigsaw's Vista and Book Map?



Thank you in advance



Jigsaw's got Peter....... Enough said.....

If you don't know Peter or haven't had a chance to exchange emails or chat with him you probably won't understand the above. From friend to helper to developer to hard worker to great trader to going out of his way to assist and help you @DionysusToast is the real deal. Peter is an innovator.

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@SoftSoap

As a newbie trying to figure out volume profile/order flow trading I can attest to the amazing Jigsaw software and educational resources that Peter Davies has provided. This guy is a gem in the online, retail trading world. Also - as an Elite member at futures. io (which is supported by another rock solid individual in Big Mike) Jigsaw offers a 10% discount on the software. As we say in Canuckland (Vancouver) - you can't beat that with a stick!!

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Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has done any research into the difference between Jigsaw's Vista and Book Map?

Thank you in advance

Hi there,

well, the thing is that with purchasing Jigsaw you get so much more than "just" a heatmap. You get the whole package (including the arguably best DOM in the industry, Peter's excellent support etc.) PLUS a heatmap. And all this - considering the futures.io discount - for about a third of the price of Bookmap (Bookmap used to be significantly cheaper in the past, but they had a hefty price increase last winter I think). Moreover, Bookmap seems to be charging extra for just about everything (with a monthly fee of USD 10 per add-on), like e.g. iceberg alerts (which - surprise surprise - come free of charge with Auction Vista ). When comparing both products, keep in mind that Auction Vista is relatively new while Bookmap has been on the market for quite some time; Peter and his team will continuously improve Auction Vista, though.

I actually purchased Jigsaw when Auction Vista was not even available as of yet. And I thought about buying Bookmap to have a heatmap along with the DOM back then (I liked the graphic information as opposed to pure numbers in the DOM; easier to grasp for most people that are beginners in orderflow reading). Glad that I didn't, as now - with Auction Vista - I have a heatmap free of charge, so to speak...

Don't get me wrong: Bookmap seems to be a very good product from what I hear (never used it myself). And from the experience of a trading friend who doesn't have a very good internet connection it seems to cope better with that than Jigsaw/Auction Vista. Plus they have some excellent education on the use of Bookmap for their customers (some of it being available free of charge for everyone).
But anyway, if you consider what you get when purchasing Jigsaw, it is a no-brainer for me...

I hope that Peter will hold a few more webinars and/or produce some more videos on the use of Auction Vista to fill the gap education-wise...

Just my 2 cents.

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A couple of links for info. on Jigsaw's AV:

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Hi guys,

It is my pleasure to welcome back Peter Davies from Jigsaw Trading on Monday, September 26th @ 4:30PM Eastern US.

This webinar takes a look at the Jigsaw Tools in a stand alone environment. Historically, the Jigsaw tools have been plug-ins for existing trading platforms. Now it is being transitioned to a stand alone platform. In effect, the goal is to plug gaps that traditional charting platforms ignore without turning Jigsaw into a traditional charting platform!

This will be the first webinar where we discuss the architecture of the product, the unique features and take a look at where Jigsaw is heading in the future.

- One size fits all platforms vs specialization
- The plug-in isn't dead! New platforms supported
- Standing Alone. The benefits to users and Jigsaw
- Traditional platform 'bug bears' and why we avoided them
- Exit strategies
- Intelligent orders
- Exchange Traded Spreads
- Volume Stops
- What's coming next?
- How will this impact the existing 3000+ users?

Stocks, futures and options can be charted the same way but trade execution tools are massively different between them. Traditionally we have mostly seen charting platforms and execution platforms combined. In our opinion that's like combining your toaster and your lawnmower. Charting is absolutely important but execution can no longer take a back seat.

You can visit Jigsaw's website here:
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Register for the event (space is limited):
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As usual great stuff from Pete - really looking forward to the new RTP! I also appreciated the background info. on the design ideas. Thanks for this!

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I thought Pete had said in the webinar that RTP was available to download and try out but I don't get the download link on my members Jigsaw page - or is that suppose to be upcoming in beta mode (vs. current alpha I believe) Can anybody clarify?

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I thought Pete had said in the webinar that RTP was available to download and try out but I don't get the download link on my members Jigsaw page - or is that suppose to be upcoming in beta mode (vs. current alpha I believe) Can anybody clarify?

The video mentioned you need to email him

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I thought Pete had said in the webinar that RTP was available to download and try out but I don't get the download link on my members Jigsaw page - or is that suppose to be upcoming in beta mode (vs. current alpha I believe) Can anybody clarify?

Last email I got on the subject was an invitation to join the Alpha release. I don't think the beta has been released yet.

I have yet to watch the video though.

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Last email I got on the subject was an invitation to join the Alpha release. I don't think the beta has been released yet.

I have yet to watch the video though.

Sorry yes it just mentioned Alpha release.

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Pete mentions exchange traded funds in this video which I hadn't heard about before - an instrument which looks to be very interesting and available to trade with RTP.

I got the invitation email as well to join Alpha but was a few days late in looking at it and there wasn't a link to the RTP download so I just figured he had all the testers needed. Looking forward to trying it out!

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Hi,

Can RapidTraderPro replay past days sessions? Or at least: if I connect to my datafeed, can I load past days in the Auction Vista chart to visually review them?

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Can RapidTraderPro replay past days sessions? Or at least: if I connect to my datafeed, can I load past days in the Auction Vista chart to visually review them?

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You'll have to ask Peter at Jigsaw, I am surprised he hasn't replied to you already.

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I received an email about a promotion on Jigsaw tools between now and the end of the year, and wanted to pass it along.

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Special Offers Celebrate 4,000 Customers and the New Year - Jigsaw Trading

Look's like they have a $400 discount on some products and 20% off on others.

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It is my pleasure to welcome back Peter Davies with Jigsaw Trading on Thursday, March 9th @ 4:30PM Eastern US.

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- Defining "the open" in a 24 hour market
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I like it, just a bit of critique: maybe put a short quick fast forward video clip to see what's going on at the open, because it's just easier to see it then using slides when Peter trying to explain things. Other than that, thank you for this webinar.

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