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 squ1d 
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At this point in time I consider D&S a must have. It's an incredible DOM.

I'm not sure it gives an edge by itself, but the information in there is invaluable at times. You can clearly see iceberg orders, and other things that are simply useful when timing the market.

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Can the jigsaw tools be used for forex trading?

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Can the jigsaw tools be used for forex trading?

I'd assume it can be used on futures based on Forex like the E6, but since the Forex market doesn't have volume I don't know how it would be of any advantage.

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WHEN JT FIRST STARTED VENDING THE PRODUCT A FREE TRIAL WAS THE NORM, NOW YOU PAY FOR THE PRODUCT WITH A MONEY BACK GUARANTEE, MY POINT IS THE POLICY SPELLS OUT HOW GOOD THE PRODUCT ACTUALLY IS

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Sorry if this isn't the correct thread for my question which is to do more with T&S in general, and not a comment re jigsaw (I have never used and do not use it - but it sure looks like a useful tool). I am just posting this here because the contributors seem to know - or will appreciate T&S issues more than say a FX trader commenting who doesnt/cant even use T&S.

Anyway - here goes.....

Ive noticed using several different platforms (TT and CTS) that often the Volume at Price - or Market Profile as some scalpers like to call it does not correspond with T&S.

eg 1467.25 may have a volume of 15,678 contracts traded there so far. You see 200 trade on T&S, but when you look at the MP/[email protected], it now reads 16,020 or something.

Odd?

Well the explanation is that the exchange tends to send out updates now and then. (Eurex, CME, LIFFE anyway). Also, spread trades are going off, as well as wholesale trades (cross, blocks, EFP's etc) that tend to get reported later.


So apart from the wholesale trades, how useful is T&S if it's not so accurate? At an estimate, maybe T&S reports say 80%. I just find it annoying when I see MP increase by say 2000, just to see T&S report a 50 lot or something when I want to see how many were bought or sold.

Thoughts.....

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What Product do you use for T&S and Volume Profile? I am pretty sure that the Jigsaw tools add it up correctly, at least the Depth and Sales does and this is what I am using. I have the the T&S (Jigsaw) up but I don't really look at it, I do the math in my head which is not a big deal after watching the DOM for several months. Maybe Peter the great has an answer for you but I completely trust this product!

Edit: Sorry I just saw that you mentioned using TT and CTS (I had a couple of beers and I am watching the Us Open so please forgive me) I would be very surprised if the XTrader would not be accurate but I have never used it before because it was too expensive and after Jigsaw there was no turning back for me! So I can't really comment on that...

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Thanks Kairos - to be honest, I dont really think Jigsaw would help. I dont thinks it's a data feed issue or a platform issue (TT, CTS or Jigsaw). I do have an IQ Feed (who also white label as Kinetic for you NT users), and I'm pretty confident it's comparable with TT and CTS. Therefore I'm sure Jigsaw would also be comparable with TT over the internet...

My question is really around the premise of using any T&S, or the usefulness of T&S in general given T&S doesnt seem to report all trades.

Apparently, my investigations to date lead me to believe there are 2 ways to distribute data. One is via TCP/IP which apparently is slower and will not get all the prints, but it is more reliable in that the data will get to you. I cant remember the other protocol - perhaps it native exchange protocol which will vary. Either way, the alternative to TCP/IP is faster, will give you every print, but cant guarantee it will get to you over the internet.

I get the impression most feeds distributed over the internet such as IQ/Kinetic, TT etc will be TCP/IP

Maybe some of the more techie minded people here can comment on the merits of TCP/IP?

I'm getting the idea that traders who trade over the internet are probably better off with TCP/IP feeds, where as if you are sat in a prop firm or similar with a leased line/direct connection, you'll go for non TCP/IP and get everything.

Am I making any sense?

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08-29 ES Looking at Recon Tape - YouTube

This answers your question I think, even though you don't get all trades reported you can see when the tape gets faster and this is the reason why I like it.

Hope that helps

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