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The other thing that always makes me cringe is when someone claims..."works on any market, any instrument, any timeframe, any chart......"

Okay, let's be real here. If you developed a "system" that could be used on ANY chart, with any instrument, on any time frame, and it made considerable profit with dreamy drawdown.....why on Earth would you sell it.

What you're basically saying is...the system has no saturation.

You'd be like the borg. Once you took over one instrument to the point of saturation, you'd simply move to the next one. There'd be no limit to how much money you could make.

"A dumb man never learns. A smart man learns from his own failure and success. But a wise man learns from the failure and success of others."
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Hi,

true sentence. I - try to - do, my employees do, my kids do and even my dog is learning every day.

Thatīs why Iīm happy where I am.


PS: and if you could write this also in 5 languages then you can say dumb. LOL

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The other thing that always makes me cringe is when someone claims..."works on any market, any instrument, any timeframe, any chart......"

Okay, let's be real here. If you developed a "system" that could be used on ANY chart, with any instrument, on any time frame, and it made considerable profit with dreamy drawdown.....why on Earth would you sell it.

What you're basically saying is...the system has no saturation.

You'd be like the borg. Once you took over one instrument to the point of saturation, you'd simply move to the next one. There'd be no limit to how much money you could make.


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Did I say "rich quick"? I wrote 2 years and also 2 blown out accounts.

Strange.




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Not possible, sorry. Just look to the far right column when using "New Posts", it shows the forum so you can skip the ones that you don't want to read.

BTW, the best thing experienced traders can do here on futures.io (formerly BMT) is to help less experienced traders. Many of which are drawn in to the "get rick quick" style of trading through purchasing indicator systems or purchasing automated trading solutions. So I hope you will not skip the thread, but instead choose to help your fellow members and continue to educate them.

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Did I say "rich quick"? I wrote 2 years and also 2 blown out accounts.

Strange.

I am talking in general terms - I have not looked at this site or the product.

When I say get rich quick, I mean your latest "discovery" of this solution. As in --- if you found this system 2 years ago, you would be rich right?

Any system advertised in this way, to me spells out "get rich quick". If the system were advertised in a way that said you had to closely monitor it, and constantly adapt it to the current market, it is one thing - but any system advertised as just turn it on and it makes money, to me that is "get rich quick".

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I was honestly looking to buy this product, but in doing so I always look for reviews and such of the product. Which lead me to this forum.

In short, I have no experience in trading futures, or forex, I know nothing. I figured maybe one of you can point me in the direction of a product that is worth the investment and time.

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In short, I have no experience in trading futures, or forex, I know nothing. I figured maybe one of you can point me in the direction of a product that is worth the investment and time.

There is no "product" that is going to make you money trading. The sooner you realize this, the better.

There are no short cuts. There are no holy grails.

If you want to become a neurosurgeon, earning hundreds of thousands per year, you have to attend many, many years of medical school, you need degrees, licenses, and a huge amount of hands-on experience.

The same is true of almost any professional career. Trading is no different.

The best resource for information is to read the posts and threads on the site, and start participating on the forum. In a few years, you'll begin to make sense of it all, and you'll have a chance to earn some money if you have worked very, very hard.

Mike

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I was honestly looking to buy this product, but in doing so I always look for reviews and such of the product. Which lead me to this forum.

In short, I have no experience in trading futures, or forex, I know nothing. I figured maybe one of you can point me in the direction of a product that is worth the investment and time.

You could start by looking at the free resources at the exchanges, e.g.:

Futures & Options Education for Effective Trading Strategies and Risk Management - CME Group

CBOE - Options Learning Center (Options)

For a comprehensive understanding of the mechanics of the futures market, get this book :

Amazon.com: The CME Group Risk Management Handbook: Products and Applications (Wiley Finance) (9780470137710): CME Group, John W. Labuszewski, John E. Nyhoff, Richard Co, Paul E. Peterson, Leo Melamed: Books

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Everyone wants some extrinsic agent to make the decisions for them, to remove stress.

If you're paying for a room and you're A) successful and B) Actually learning how to replicate the results so you can eventually do it on your own (in intimate detail), then that's great. It's a good bridge.

My experience with the one trading group I was in, was that the moderator used different charts than me, had different platform and there was no video feed, only skype, and so even though the group was profitable, I felt like if the moderator was runover by a bus tomorrow, took an oathe of silence at a temple, moved to Antarctica,....whatever, I'd be left high and dry.

So I set out to learn and discover on my own.

I think groups and seminars and training are great when you're just starting out, but I also feel that eventually, if there is such a thing as intrinsic reward (job satisfaction, pride, sense of accomplishment, etc) with trading, it's only found when you blaze your own path.

Is it more stressful making your own trading decisions? Surely. Is it more rewarding? Possibly. Is it less "risky" in terms of discovering the group or the leader left, died, was sued and shutdown, etc, tomorrow? I'd say absolutely.

Furthermore, you may discover that the trading room you're using is holding you back from profits you never realized you could attain.


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Hi trendisyourfriend

Iīm not owner of the room and I donīt get a commission and moreover I donīt know the actual room-fee as Iīm lifetime member (as in 2 other rooms).

I informed you about quality. If you use it is on your end.

PS: trendisyourfriend untill the end, and this only 20% of the time, Barry says (great teacher too, other room)

Greetings

Tony,
this guy a makes sensible point - What happens if JAM is affected by any of these events tomorrow, you can continue working with the indicator/strategy but there would be any further enhancements to it?
How many people are in the group?
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I am talking in general terms - I have not looked at this site or the product.

When I say get rich quick, I mean your latest "discovery" of this solution. As in --- if you found this system 2 years ago, you would be rich right?

Any system advertised in this way, to me spells out "get rich quick". If the system were advertised in a way that said you had to closely monitor it, and constantly adapt it to the current market, it is one thing - but any system advertised as just turn it on and it makes money, to me that is "get rich quick".

Mike

Mike,

You have never been in the room and I have never stated "get rich quick" nor have I ever stated "just turn it on and make money" I would appreciate it if you would come in and learn what we really do so you will be properly informed. In fact we teach that trading is very hard and hold nothing back during our "free trials" I would expect these comments from the uninformed but not from the "owner and supposedly "unbiased"
Please retract your statements as they are not true!

BTW, we do teach traders safety and focus on no blown out accounts!

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JamTheTrader View Post
Mike,

You have never been in the room and I have never stated "get rich quick"

Jam, my reply was not regarding anything you wrote. If you look again, you'll see my reply was to someone else.

Mike

Due to time constraints, please do not PM me if your question can be resolved or answered on the forum.

Need help?
1) Stop changing things. No new indicators, charts, or methods. Be consistent with what is in front of you first.
2) Start a journal and post to it daily with the trades you made to show your strengths and weaknesses.
3) Set goals for yourself to reach daily. Make them about how you trade, not how much money you make.
4) Accept responsibility for your actions. Stop looking elsewhere to explain away poor performance.
5) Where to start as a trader? Watch this webinar and read this thread for hundreds of questions and answers.
6)
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