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I find that these bars take a really long time to load, my cpu usage spikes and computer fan kicks into high gear while they are loading, and sometimes locks up NT until the chart loads. That process very seems CPU intensive.

monpere,

I know that there are some chart types out there that do take a long time to load.

I have been using RenkoHybrid and ChannelTrend chart types for 2 years and have not noticed this issue.

Is this occuring with indicators already added to the chart? If you add a new chart or update a chart without indicators are the cpu usage values similar? How much historical data do you normally load.

Also, if you use even number tick bar size settings, it will reduce the cpu time needed by reducing the number of fractional calculations needed to calculate bar construction on the chart. I have updated the web site to reflect these preferred settings.

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Yes, I had the same issues. Until I removed indicators that were added to the chart type.

It would lock up my PC/NT (which isn't a slow one) for at least 20 seconds. Loads quickly by itself, but probably something with the way the indicators are analyzing the chart bars drawn?

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Testing these bars out with my Autotrader on CL during my normal trading hours today from 8:00am to 12:00pm. Looks promising. It slightly outperformed my live trading today... but obviously, I was not concentrating because I was too busy observing the autotrader with the new bar type

@monpere, how goes your testing? I am finding the bars move so quickly that trying to get an order in manually or automated any where near the second bar after a reversal is near impossible. Are you finding this? And what have you found to filter the the chop successfully? Please share what you feel you can. Thanks.

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@monpere, how goes your testing? I am finding the bars move so quickly that trying to get an order in manually or automated any where near the second bar after a reversal is near impossible. Are you finding this? And what have you found to filter the the chop successfully? Please share what you feel you can. Thanks.

I tested with market orders, and generally there is a couple of ticks slippage. They seem to perfrom pretty well outside of chop, but chop areas become huge killers, they can take the profits away very quickly. The testing I did was just applying my current strategy to these new bars without any alteration. I have not thought around the chop issue yet. I would have to do some more testing and analyzing for that. Given that these are manufactured bars that do not show real price action, I cannot backtest them without changing code to account for that, so my tests have just been in live market sim. Obviously, that way it takes way more time to play with these new bars.

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I tested with market orders, and generally there is a couple of ticks slippage. They seem to perfrom pretty well outside of chop, but chop areas become huge killers, they can take the profits away very quickly. The testing I did was just applying my current strategy to these new bars without any alteration. I have not thought around the chop issue yet. I would have to do some more testing and analyzing for that. Given that these are manufactured bars that do not show real price action, I cannot backtest them without changing code to account for that, so my tests have just been in live market sim. Obviously, that way it takes way more time to play with these new bars.

Hi monpere,

I find that using NT's downloadable market replay data, works as well as live for testing purposes.

Speeds up the testing quite a bit because you can accelerate the clock.

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@monpere
Are the channel trend bars continuing to work for you?

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@monpere
Are the channel trend bars continuing to work for you?

I only used them during the trial period. They seemed to work ok, but not significantly better then the regular range bars I use. I personally found them to be a bit visually deceiving as they smooth out the price action by artificially repainting the bars. This effect makes your indicators look totally wild. I use RSI and stochastic, and the indicator patterns using the trend bars were totally different then with any other types of bars I've used, so not sure the traditional indicator usage would work all that well with them. Overall, using the trend bars with my particular automated strategy did not significantly increase the strategy's profitability. Gabryele seems to do very well with them in the Blueline Delight strategy thread, so you may want to check out that thread.

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I only used them during the trial period. They seemed to work ok, but not significantly better then the regular range bars I use. I personally found them to be a bit visually deceiving as they smooth out the price action by artificially repainting the bars. This effect makes your indicators look totally wild. I use RSI and stochastic, and the indicator patterns using the trend bars were totally different then with any other types of bars I've used, so not sure the traditional indicator usage would work all that well with them. Overall, using the trend bars with my particular automated strategy did not significantly increase the strategy's profitability. Gabryele seems to do very well with them in the Blueline Delight strategy thread, so you may want to check out that thread.

Hi monpere,

Just a couple of items regarding the ChannelTrend bars.

First, unlike some other bar charts out there that do repaint their bars, none of my bar charts repaint.

I believe repainting to be an unacceptable way of doing things and I would never do that.

My some of charts do have indicator characteristics built into them and that makes them a little different.

I understand that ChannelTrend's characteristics may be a little to "clean" for some traders.

To resolve this issue, I have created an indicator that plots price action inside each bar on the ChannelTrend chart.

This indicator will be given away for free!!!

It is in beta right now. I posted a picture earlier this week but it got censored.

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Hi monpere,

Just a couple of items regarding the ChannelTrend bars.

First, unlike some other bar charts out there that do repaint their bars, none of my bar charts repaint.

I believe repainting to be an unacceptable way of doing things and I would never do that.

My some of charts do have indicator characteristics built into them and that makes them a little different.

I understand that ChannelTrend's characteristics may be a little to "clean" for some traders.

To resolve this issue, I have created an indicator that plots price action inside each bar on the ChannelTrend chart.

This indicator will be given away for free!!!

It is in beta right now. I posted a picture earlier this week but it got censored.

RJay

Sorry about the nomenclature, by repainting, I meant that the bars on the screen are not showing real price action, maybe a better term would be artificial bars, visually altered, or OHLC altered bars.

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Sorry about the nomenclature, by repainting, I meant that the bars on the screen are not showing real price action, maybe a better term would be artificial bars, visually altered, or OHLC altered bars.

Having not used these (or even have NinjaTrader installed anymore), do you mean like HeikenAshi ? In terms of false OHLC?

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