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Regardless of what was said, how it was said, how it was interpreted, trust issues or no trust issues. All I read is Emmett wanting you to prove that you traded your software on a real account making real money. That can only be via redacted trading statements that can be linked back to real trade signals that your indicators foretold the user to take.

I don't think it gets any simpler than that. It's like you verbally telling the tax man you have paid your taxes, only for the tax man to say you haven't. So you prove it with a copy of your verified tax return.

Upload your statements to Dropbox and provide a public link and then all this goes away and Emmett will probably give you a 5 star review. Random Joe Blow making a comment on Emmett's thread saying how great the indicators are means nothing.

Proving with hard evidence means more business for you, more income. Winner, winner.

Please don't promote yourself here by linking to the statements as it would violate the forum rules, but there are a number of ways for you to validate yourself outside of this forum.

So don't dance around with a response here. My question is, are you going to provide proof (outside of this forum) with trading statements (not an Excel spreadsheet) - your real broker statements - that can be matched to your software signals?

Put them in Dropbox and provide a public link on Emmett's blog. If you do that, boom, all this bad feeling I see out there goes away. A very, very simple fix.


I don't think they have to prove anything here. They market a product. They publish their phone number. If you are considering the product, call them, ask every question and ask for every shred of detail you need in order to make your purchasing decision. If you get it, great - buy the product. If you don't get it, don't buy the product. Asking a vendor to come here and prove something will likely lead nowhere due to the fact that almost anything (including posting brokerage statements) would be considered marketing and thus a violation of forum policies. At least that's the way I understand it. Good luck.

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I don't think they have to prove anything here. They market a product. They publish their phone number. If you are considering the product, call them, ask every question and ask for every shred of detail you need in order to make your purchasing decision. If you get it, great - buy the product. If you don't get it, don't buy the product. Asking a vendor to come here and prove something will likely lead nowhere due to the fact that almost anything (including posting brokerage statements) would be considered marketing and thus a violation of forum policies. At least that's the way I understand it. Good luck.

Does it sound like I am interested in this product from my writing? Not in a million years. I am just saying that with a very simple fix, all this goes away.

I stated that they should do all of this outside of this forum, which was clearly written in my post.

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Does it sound like I am interested in this product from my writing? Not in a million years. I am just saying that with a very simple fix, all this goes away.

I stated that they should do all of this outside of this forum, which was clearly written in my post.

No, it didn't sound like you were interested in the product. It sounded like you were provoking someone to "prove" that what they are marketing is valid. And that's giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you are goading them to prove their worth to someone who makes their living writing online reviews of trading products, which is the way I actually understood your post to read, then it's even worse. They don't owe you that - at all. They would be better off proving (or trying to prove) their worth to their customers or potential customers.

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flux capacitor

hi guys, I have purchased this product and it is useful to some degree,
however they have no customer support I was locked out of the members area
so I sent them an email to unlock it but I have had no response. The unlocking system
does not send you an email so you cannot unlock to get in to the members area.
over all communication was good when you are paying after that buyer beware!!!!
the only good that came out of it is I went back and studied a lot more now I trade on a blank
chart no flux for me!!!

siroko69

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No - I only work with people that I trust. I don't trust Mr. Moore.

On every occasion and at every opportunity we were lied to, misled, and treated like vermin. I explained to Mr. Moore that my personal trading record (we trade our own funds using our own systems derived from the software) wasn't proof positive that the method works - as he couldn't verify if I was actually using my system as outlined in the reviews.

I sent 5 customers to him who were willing to provide their account results. As this doesn't tie in with his business model (he can't get a percentage of a sale that was already made), these customers were ignored. Ultimately Johnny, we teach (as is taught here at BMT/IO) that trading is a personal journey - and no 2 customers use the software the same way. By referring customers to him, I wanted the community at TS.org to see what their experiences as an end user would be as opposed to someone like me who sees the signals day in and day out for 7 years. This was rejected.

We've been told just now that our customers would be allowed to post their results on the page. As of now (3 hours later) those posts haven't been approved......We'll see.

Thanks for your interest and involvement John. If you want to connect off forum, let me know.

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ALL posts were approved as far as I can see. I guess mr moore is not always at his desk and sometimes it might take a few hours for him to review posts.
Did you send your statements showing your trading? He has promised to rewrite the review if you do. If would surely attract many customers if your had a proven trading record.


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ALL posts were approved as far as I can see. I guess mr moore is not always at his desk and sometimes it might take a few hours for him to review posts.
Did you send your statements showing your trading? He has promised to rewrite the review if you do. If would surely attract many customers if your had a proven trading record.

I think the silence over these last months is proof enough, is it not?

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I think the silence over these last months is proof enough, is it not?

The following things were offered to Mr. Moore:

A. You can interview anyone of 10 actual customers who stepped forward to share their actual live trading results with him. Why customers?, you ask. Because there's no way to verify whether or not the system my corporation is trading, is the system I'm teaching to my customer. For example (think this thru, it's so important everyone open up their minds here and not fall for Emmett (don't ever call him Mr. Moore, he doesn't deserve that respect) and his little game. It's a fairly obvious thing to do, wouldn't you think?

Here are 10 people that bought the system - who are not vendors - who want to share their results with you. Just call these 10 numbers and speak to them. Look at their results, and interview them for your article.

No response. Ever. No interest whatsoever. Why?

B. You can take the software for free - I'll give you the rules based trading system we teach our customers - and you can trade it in sim or live or whatever by yourself. Post the results at the end of the month, end of a few months, whatever. We'll train you and give you our best stuff for free.

No response. Ever. No interest whatsoever. Why?


I'm going to say this again for everyone in case they forgot.....Mr. Moore doesn't trade the system he is reviewing, or in any of the conversations I've had with him said he trades. I've asked.

Here's the business model some people online have alleged ( I can't confirm this as I didn't get that far with him / wouldn't play the game)

a. "Review" someone
b. "request" a trading record
c. If the trading record is good (no one knows "what" was traded in the record after all) offer to promote the product
d. Get an "affiliate commission".
e. Make every vendor who doesn't play the game a pariah, pushing people to the "affiliate sales" companies.


Think this through for yourself right now....if Mr. Moore has access to 5 star trading systems, has fully "vetted" them for the public, where's HIS trading record? If he has access to the absolute best this industry has to offer, and has proof beyond all doubt it works - where are HIS trades? It would seem like a 'no-brainer', right?

There are a few links you guys can check out before you jump on this pile:

A Review of Emmett Moore | Trading Schools.Info

Emmett Moore - Global Trade Room

http://www.emini-maven.com/wordpress/2015/08/emmett-moore-proof-positive-that-a-leopard-cant-change-its-stripes/

Now ask yourself - if other people had these experiences with and doubts about this individual with these types of accusations - would you give him your personal financial information? Would you give someone accused of SEC fraud any of your information?

Think for yourselves guys - use your heads. BMT / IO is a great place for everyone to learn. But there's a right way to do it. I don't mind taking my lumps in here, but please don't hold me to this guy's standard. It's just not something I'll do.

Please send me a Private Message if you have any questions about BTTFT services

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I will remove myself from this thread.

Some posts I made a while back were removed and in hindsight rightly so. My aim was to get some honest accountability provided from the vendor, but my angle was probably offside.

For all the traders whom stumble across this thread or any other thread for that matter with reference to a vendor, be diligent and do your homework.

As part of your vetting process you should verify any vendor's claims. Requesting vendor's redacted trading statements is perfectly reasonable for a system you are looking to purchase. There is no CFTC ruling or law that states a vendor cannot supply this. All personal information can be redacted.

If the vendor cannot supply or won't supply, then they lose your business. If they don't trade their own system then start asking more questions. If they refer you to testimonials of other "satisfied" traders, you will never know how independent these "satisfied" traders really are. So stay frosty every step of the way.

If @Big Mike feels the need to remove this post, then sobeit. I will now bow out of this thread, but in the future I hope to see some real reviews by real traders of this system.

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I will remove myself from this thread.

Some posts I made a while back were removed and in hindsight rightly so. My aim was to get some honest accountability provided from the vendor, but my angle was probably offside.

For all the traders whom stumble across this thread or any other thread for that matter with reference to a vendor, be diligent and do your homework.

As part of your vetting process you should verify any vendor's claims. Requesting vendor's redacted trading statements is perfectly reasonable for a system you are looking to purchase. There is no CFTC ruling or law that states a vendor cannot supply this. All personal information can be redacted.

If the vendor cannot supply or won't supply, then they lose your business. If they don't trade their own system then start asking more questions. If they refer you to testimonials of other "satisfied" traders, you will never know how independent these "satisfied" traders really are. So stay frosty every step of the way.

If @Big Mike feels the need to remove this post, then sobeit. I will now bow out of this thread, but in the future I hope to see some real reviews by real traders of this system.

My understanding is that Flux is a tool to use rather than a system to trade. If I'm incorrect, then my apologies. But if it's a tool then it would be the users proficiency using the tool that counts. Most folks probably didn't ask @NinjaTrader or @sierra Chart or @gomi or @Fat Tails or @bookMap, etc. for redacted trading statements before trying their products. TaylorMade says my new driver will add 10 yards to my drives. I don't give a darn if someone at TaylorMade can hit this driver 10 yards farther. What I care about is how it can improve my game.

That said, I totally agree with your suggestion to "stay frosty" when evaluating any vendor trading claims.

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i own jigsaw bookmap and ninja but those other tools dont make claims like this on their websites:

We find recurrring patters humans cant see" " predictions play out in the market with unbelivable accuracy"
"knowing the past you can tell the future"
"prove to youself that histrory does repeat"

yet No evidence if the vendor trades. not even backtested results demonstrating empirically.

check out this thread

BackToTheFutureTrading.com flux capacitor | Forex Peace Army - Your Forex Trading Forum
you will notice around Mid june 2014 a rush of extremely positive reviews. amazing timing.
the owner himself states, and this is 2 years ago that he has sold 1500 roughly: arent you slghtly curioius whether he trades using this tool that predicts the future with amazing accuracy?

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