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...So much so that people who've come to the event who are great programmers (great like Cory and Gomi are in here, great) have gone back to their desks and written algorithms that approximate what I've created.....

https://futures.io/local_links.php?action=ratelink&catid=4&linkid=125

stop twisting the fact and mention my name, I wrote my indicator because I like the look of betteremini indicator as clearly stated in the link above and the logic is from Jack Hershey teaching and it has never changed since the day I wrote it (9/2009). Other programmers might add bell and whistle but the logic is still the same saying I re-wrote the logic because of you is so disingenuous. I demand a retraction of your statement or present concrete evidence that I re-wrote my indicator based on yours. You remind me of a certain other vendor saying gone for good but keep on coming back, Mike banned him eventually.

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Assumption is the worst form of Judgement

@Big Mike
THis is what you wrote ....Stop posting or risk being banned for rude behavior.

I demand a public apology from Michael an for him to come out and tell everyone as to why he lied and can this man be ever trusted in this Forum and does this community need someone who fabricates truth..

And based on the Log...(attached again ) where is that rude behaviour...This log was sent to me by Michael and the facts holds...Liars and dishonest people always leave a trail and he thought he was being the Superman by lying the way he has in here.

Mike, I need you to come back as you jumped to the conclusion based on what Michael wrote and now you have the absolute proof in form of the Log records.No where in that Log i shouted or even used bad language that Michael has accused me off.

Michael has totally twisted the truth to build his side of story and he sold it to you. No verbal communication takes place apart from the moderator who has full control.

There is something called Honesty...Credibility and fairness. I come to you to seek your guidance.

Just like you told me to stop this with the fear of being Banned....will you be fair now based on the full proof provided to you.

Michael has twisted the situation and has lied ..A complete and utter lie and there is a good name for people who lie.

@BTTFT Michael ... How can this man be trusted ..Micheal went on to write something that did not even take place...He LIED about what i said...The attached LOG is the truth and now everyone can see what a Liar and fabricator Michael is....And you want to trust this Michael with your hard earned money....

A man who is so confidently twist the truth to show how Mighty he is has no room in this Forum or community. And sold his story which has been bought so easily..

Here is what Michael wrote......and once again i attach the log ...Such a sad human being that he will lie to this extend ...
You come in the room, throw 82 questions at me in 15 minutes, expect an answer right away, and then hurl several personal insults at me before you storm out of the room BONZAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!

None of this happened and yet i am accussed by Michael of this huge intergrity issue....
I would LOVE to see Saten run a live GoToMeeting with 86 people screaming questions at him and see how nicely he reacts when someone like him shouts "YOU'RE A PIECE OF S**T HAVE A NICE DAY A**HOLE", and then leaves the room before you can react.

I know you made it very clear that....This is not a defense of the vendor. This is a defense of the principles of this community.

@Big Mike, my credibility and integrity is on line here....So which side you going to take to protect this community

Now you have the proof and in the Webinars the attendees do not have the chance to speak and in this case the only interaction that I had was via the logs

I need to see what you going to do Mike as the truth needs to be known

Saten

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Hi Matthew,

I'm willing to, and do share everything I've learned and know about what I know Matthew. So much so that people who've come to the event who are great programmers (great like Cory and Gomi are in here, great) have gone back to their desks and written algorithms that approximate what I've created (which is awesome...it means I taught it well enough that someone else could replicate it). While we're not IO or BMT - we attempt to uphold the ideals and the high bar established here with as close to an open source community as I can achieve as a paid provider. As a general rule, people who want to learn will learn.

I'm glad you're in here Matt, and appreciate your comments. I'm a BMT member, and was a customer/trader long before we ever ended up doing this. I'm not perfect - but am progressing as an educator (there's no school for webinar presenting, btw...you learn as you go). Sometimes I get in the way of the message or lesson I'm trying to communicate despite my best intentions, amplified by the "online" phenomenon where people type things bravely they would never say to someone's face. It's hard to bat 1,000 when people and personalities and everyone's history gets intertwined. You do your best and try to learn from it, I guess.

Many times people are abusive, or contrarian for contrarian's sake because of how they were treated by the last educational provider, and project that onto the next person (I used to do to that, at least). I had one BMT member since this last guy's rant approach me civilly and respectfully - willing to take the software for free with the training and report back what he saw here - so we're going to work with him and happy to do so in a spirit of honest skepticism. If your'e up for that as well, I'll be happy to extend it to you with a lifetime license gift out of respect for what happens in these forums and for Mike who I believe to be one of the good guys. (again, PM me).

I appreciate this community, and thank you for your insights. Will try to learn from them going forward.

Have a great trading week everyone.

Hello Michael,
Sorry for the late reply.
You may have misunderstood my original post. Rereading what I wrote perhaps I was a little too brief and unclear. When I skimmed through the thread my impression was surprise that you seemed to be rewarding someone that you alleged had been unprofessional and insulting to you, by giving them all your software for free. I was just commenting from a business perspective that that would likely encourage the sort of customers you may not want and annoy or upset the customers that you already have.
Thank you for the offer to test drive your software/product but I will decline as I am trying to stick with what I am doing and work that out for myself. But like I say, thanks again.
Matthew

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Thank you for the offer to test drive your software/product but I will decline as I am trying to stick with what I am doing and work that out for myself. But like I say, thanks again.
Matthew

Smart idea.

(I don't know anything about the software and am not commenting on it. But I do know the dangers of changing your approach too much, having done it more than enough.... )

Bob.

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Sharmas and BigMike remind me of an old married couple.
One is always threatening the other...and the other is always calling him out.
Like on 50 different threads on here.
Fantastic entertainment.

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I just found myself going down the rabbit hole and reading this entire thread. Interesting.

Emmett Moore over at Trading Schools did a full review of BTTF trading. Trashed it basically.

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re: Emmet Moore

Hey Johnny - yeah, about Mr. Moore.

Emmett contacted me when I was leaving for a flight in an Airport to Portland. He told me that he was going to do a review on my product - and I asked him how he was going to do that without having the software?

I told him I would do 2 things for him.

First - I told him that I would give him a copy of the software for free to use and evaluate.

Second - I told him that I would send 5 customers to him that had the software for over a year. That he could ask them anything he wanted, see their trading performance - and get a "boots on the ground" assessment for his review.

We agreed that he would wait until I got back from my trip (I was visiting my brother in Oregon after not seeing him for 3 years)

That's when things went to s**t.

When I got back - he'd posted his "review".

He based his review on watching my sales webinar. (I s**t you not).

When I called him back, he said that he would "be happy to change his 'review' " if I would send him an audited statement of my personal trading record. When I asked him about everything we had discussed in the airport (giving him a copy of the software to train him on, and having him talk to the customers) he said "he didn't recall" that conversation (I recorded him saying this to me during the call....you can judge for yourself when he says this if he's lying).

5 of my customers contacted him. They all said the same thing. "Mr. Moore wasn't interested in anything we had to say".

When my customers tried to post a review underneath in the comment section, one of 2 things happened. They either couldn't post their comment altogether, or they couldn't post higher than 1 star (all 5 had the same experience).

What we were able to find out was this Johnny.

Mr. Moore has a deal where he does exactly what we just described. He essentially "extorts" you and tells you he's going to leave a 1 star review online unless you are able to send him your personal trading records. When he sees your personal trading records - he approaches you with an "offer" to "promote" your service. If you agree - he tells people that your software which normally costs "x" costs "x+1000$", and gets a kickback for every customer he sends to your "successful" website. (see how that works?). Unless you play Mr. Moore's game - you're shamed in public with an eternal "review" of something he never reviewed.

Mr. Moore actually made "defamatory" statements about us in his review (that's when you say something like, "I'm pretty sure my neighbor's a whore...she dresses trashy", and post it online). I had our attorney go through it, and he couldn't believe the things Mr. Moore wrote. Our attorney contacted Mr. Moore's attorney who conceded that Moore went way over the line in his "review" and had him go back and edit the review.

We were told that the customer's ability to post more than 1 star was a "glitch" that had been "fixed".

We were told that they didn't know why people couldn't post a review at all, and that the "glitch" had been "fixed".

My offer to give Mr. Moore the actual software was rejected - and we were told Mr. Moore doesn't trade and wouldn't use the software. As of today - he hasn't opened the code once on his machine, or spoken with a single customer about their experiences with it, which begs the question, "what did he review"?

Johnny, I have people on IO that are "reviewing" the product for us now (I gave them free copies to work with). If you'd like to be part of that process, please contact me via email and I'd be in your debt. In the spirit of BMT and helping traders in this and other communities, we need to start filtering out guys like this who benefit financially from manipulating the traders in the community for financial gain. Let me know - and thanks for the heads up.

Michael

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Hey Johnny - yeah, about Mr. Moore.


When I called him back, he said that he would "be happy to change his 'review' " if I would send him an audited statement of my personal trading record.
Michael

So did you send him the statements from your personal trading record?

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re: statements

No - I only work with people that I trust. I don't trust Mr. Moore.

On every occasion and at every opportunity we were lied to, misled, and treated like vermin. I explained to Mr. Moore that my personal trading record (we trade our own funds using our own systems derived from the software) wasn't proof positive that the method works - as he couldn't verify if I was actually using my system as outlined in the reviews.

I sent 5 customers to him who were willing to provide their account results. As this doesn't tie in with his business model (he can't get a percentage of a sale that was already made), these customers were ignored. Ultimately Johnny, we teach (as is taught here at BMT/IO) that trading is a personal journey - and no 2 customers use the software the same way. By referring customers to him, I wanted the community at TS.org to see what their experiences as an end user would be as opposed to someone like me who sees the signals day in and day out for 7 years. This was rejected.

We've been told just now that our customers would be allowed to post their results on the page. As of now (3 hours later) those posts haven't been approved......We'll see.

Thanks for your interest and involvement John. If you want to connect off forum, let me know.

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No - I only work with people that I trust. I don't trust Mr. Moore.

On every occasion and at every opportunity we were lied to, misled, and treated like vermin. I explained to Mr. Moore that my personal trading record (we trade our own funds using our own systems derived from the software) wasn't proof positive that the method works - as he couldn't verify if I was actually using my system as outlined in the reviews.

I sent 5 customers to him who were willing to provide their account results. As this doesn't tie in with his business model (he can't get a percentage of a sale that was already made), these customers were ignored. Ultimately Johnny, we teach (as is taught here at BMT/IO) that trading is a personal journey - and no 2 customers use the software the same way. By referring customers to him, I wanted the community at TS.org to see what their experiences as an end user would be as opposed to someone like me who sees the signals day in and day out for 7 years. This was rejected.

We've been told just now that our customers would be allowed to post their results on the page. As of now (3 hours later) those posts haven't been approved......We'll see.

Thanks for your interest and involvement John. If you want to connect off forum, let me know.

M

Regardless of what was said, how it was said, how it was interpreted, trust issues or no trust issues. All I read is Emmett wanting you to prove that you traded your software on a real account making real money. That can only be via redacted trading statements that can be linked back to real trade signals that your indicators foretold the user to take.

I don't think it gets any simpler than that. It's like you verbally telling the tax man you have paid your taxes, only for the tax man to say you haven't. So you prove it with a copy of your verified tax return.

Upload your statements to Dropbox and provide a public link and then all this goes away and Emmett will probably give you a 5 star review. Random Joe Blow making a comment on Emmett's thread saying how great the indicators are means nothing.

Proving with hard evidence means more business for you, more income. Winner, winner.

Please don't promote yourself here by linking to the statements as it would violate the forum rules, but there are a number of ways for you to validate yourself outside of this forum.

So don't dance around with a response here. My question is, are you going to provide proof (outside of this forum) with trading statements (not an Excel spreadsheet) - your real broker statements - that can be matched to your software signals?

Put them in Dropbox and provide a public link on Emmett's blog. If you do that, boom, all this bad feeling I see out there goes away. A very, very simple fix.

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