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Nimble et al

Thanks for your responses. Nimble your detail was very helpful...especially as to whether it will compliment/add to what one is already doing.

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I actually think Michael and his group are straight shooters.

I agree. I felt Michael really went out of his way to be fair to me when I brought an issue up. Their marketing is a little over the top, but don't most people over sell a little.

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Just wanted to send a quick shout out to tradingonvolume and others for their insight into the BTTF indicator. I just read your posts on this thread and found them very informative. Keep up the good work!

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im curious if anyone has attempted to make their own version or something similar?

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I had a winning day and took the plunge. I regretted it within nanoseconds but they will not give you your money back even if you haven't downloaded their crap. And it is crap! It doesn't work and their stats are not accurate. And lets say they speak with forked tongue. RUN!!!

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im curious if anyone has attempted to make their own version or something similar?

Yes, and you can do the work to figure it out. Here is a nugget: the power zone just uses a 120 period SMA, and the difference between the SMA and price. Thats the easy part, the harder part is actually collating the data and putting the markers on a chart in the future.

There is no magic data mining going on.

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BarryM purchased the Flux, earnestly asking for a 3 part payment plan. I spent a total of 3 hours across two evenings beyond webinar time with Barry describing in detail what the Flux was, and wasn't.

Barry was a swing trader and couldn't wrap his head around day trading concepts despite spending dozens of hours with him during live support and personal live support on the phone and through multiple goto sessions. He wanted a specific "trade now" system that gave more signals than his swing trading system put out. I have the original email stream if anyone is interested in seeing what was specifically promised to Barry so far as expectations were considered.

Barry paid 1/3rd of the payments, and then bailed on the program after 3 weeks despite being told there was a 3-4 week learning curve on the program before he bought. He was summarily warned before he purchased, to not purchase, if he was not sure and committed to the learning process, which he was not.

After leaving the program, Barry continues to come into our live room and harass veteran users during live market sessions. It is continually disappointing to me that men like Barry and "Saw" find a soapbox in this forum to post undisputed and historically inaccurate experiences. It is liable, and slanderous, and should have legal repercussions. Logging in, without any screenshots or statistics and saying, "these men are horrible liars" normally has a financial penalty...

For the record, I worked with the Trading Authority after working with a local investment fund for 1 year in the High Point region of North Carolina. I was specifically recruited to come and assist their founder with his online marketing. After 1 year, I was asked to leave the TTA after helping the developer of the Flux (Ben Letto of AffordableIndicators.com) market his program internally to his mailing list of 200+ clients. When the founder of the TTA discovered that I had helped Ben (a self confessed "non-sales" guy), and not "cut him in", I was immediately dismissed from the company. At the time, I had 3 children a wife and no other job prospects. I asked Ben if we could market the Flux to a larger audience and formed BackToTheFutureTrading.com, underpinning the company with the same concepts I had taught and believe in to this day - backtesting, statistical development of specific market conditions, money management rules, trading plans, and personality specific market setups.

There are clients that are still trading the original TATI strategy from the TTA on the 6E, using a TLR setup when the daily ATR of the 6E is over 140. I cannot control what the TTA founders do or did after I was dismissed.

Many of the TTA clients that knew me from my run there eventually found me and followed me over to BTTFT where they became satisfied, long term clients.

I have never lied to any of the 450+ clients that have purchased this tool set, and can demonstrate a 1% return rate, which is unheard of in this industry. I, in fact, strongly urge people to not spend their money on any tool or trading system or indicator until they have done their due diligence and determined if the programs are a fit for their personality, trading style, and unmet indicator needs. Were I to ever find myself lying to customers to get them to put their money down, the 2 other partners would summarily dismiss me and continue forward without me, as we are all born again Christians who put integrity and honesty before profit.

We have actually turned potential clients back to this forum to download their own free copies of great tools like the VolStop instead of spending money with us.

The PowerZone is an analysis tool that uses any SMA (120 is default) to historically discover trending zones using anywhere from 2 weeks to 20 weeks or more of minute based data. Using a 2-3 week period of analysis historically shows a statistically relevant repetition of trending moves moving forward in the future. The PowerZone is one of about 12 time cycle analysis tools in the package.

As always, please exhaustively research any trading tools or mentors that you are considering. I believe Big Mike's forum to be an excellent source of free information and training, and recommend it to anyone searching for credible and powerful techniques to use in day to day trading.

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It's interesting that there seem to be a lot of threads at the end of the year that are all bashing and asking for proof of profitability etc. Everyone must be looking at their bottom line for the year and not liking what they see.

I stick by my original comments earlier in the thread, and that I think Michael is a good guy and treated me right. I can also confirm that they are willing to spend a lot of time with you. Of course, you still have to do the work.

I did the work to figure out the flux after I bought it (and I still own a license), because I did not like needing a license and because I am one of those people that just like to know how things work. Do I still use the flux? No, because I am no longer using Ninja, and I have moved away from using indicators for the most part over the last year. Do I think it is magical? Ah, no. Do I think you can use it? Perhaps, but YMMV.

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i agree with aslan,all trading methods takes time to learn,i hope everyone has a good new year and i would suggest for everyone to pick a method this year and spend 90 days studying only it,learn every aspect of the method or system follow all the rules and if that doesnt work move to the next method,if you guys would put real effort into any system or method you would find one that worked for you,ive looked at 5 systems this last year and i got all of them to be profitable for me,do i use them no because i dont need a system or method i have my own and you will too once you find a method that works you can hone it to your own personality...sharky

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So many deleted posts, reprimands, and negative views about this product! I've never used this product myself, but I think there has to be some reasons for these sentiments. I personally would not be comfortable with, or spend much time and effort on any product which generates that much polarity.

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've had this indicator for a year but have never been able to realize its genus (too many dots for me) .. In a nutshell indicator divides the days up (all mondays, all tuesdays, etc) then uses this info per day to identify which times of that day showed potential.. The times the dots print are available before todays trading day..
Enclosed is a chart and an explanation from the vendor,, for me there seems to be too many false signals to be of any use..
Comments would be appreciated? txs all

Please no "vendor" bashing,, want this to be educational... txs

think #7 comment below is a bit of a stretch.....
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1.go back and circle the red amacd at 5:40...that occurs at the double bottom after an impulse new low move.

2.Circle the green dot at 6:30ish, where the market stopped, and attempted to punch higher (pivot).

3.Circle the red market at 11:00 on the down leg of the reversal low.

4.Circle the red Powerzone red marker and AMACD marker at the bottom of the impulse move through to a double bottom on the new low at support.

5.Circle the green pz dot at 2:15 est.

6.Circle the green amacd dot at 15:00...the beginning of the bull flag.

7.Circle the red amacd marker at the small pivot high in the asian session.....

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've had this indicator for a year but have never been able to realize its genus (too many dots for me) .. In a nutshell indicator divides the days up (all mondays, all tuesdays, etc) then uses this info per day to identify which times of that day showed potential.. The times the dots print are available before todays trading day..
Enclosed is a chart and an explanation from the vendor,, for me there seems to be too many false signals to be of any use..
Comments would be appreciated? txs all

Please no "vendor" bashing,, want this to be educational... txs

think #7 comment below is a bit of a stretch.....
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1.go back and circle the red amacd at 5:40...that occurs at the double bottom after an impulse new low move.

2.Circle the green dot at 6:30ish, where the market stopped, and attempted to punch higher (pivot).

3.Circle the red market at 11:00 on the down leg of the reversal low.

4.Circle the red Powerzone red marker and AMACD marker at the bottom of the impulse move through to a double bottom on the new low at support.

5.Circle the green pz dot at 2:15 est.

6.Circle the green amacd dot at 15:00...the beginning of the bull flag.

7.Circle the red amacd marker at the small pivot high in the asian session.....

If you only look a the dots at, double bottom, pivot, reversal, support, bull flag, pivot high, etc, as is indicated in the post by the vendor. Why don't I just look for these market structures myself, instead of buying this indicator? or just buy an indicator that actually identifies these market structures for me, instead of a deluge of dots that hopefully land near one of these structures?

Throw enough dots on a chart, some of them are bound to hit something!

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After sitting through many of their presentations I would only take trades when a big dot matches their S/R lines. Others are too random. I never bought it. Michael is a decent guy, but just not for me.

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Michaelangelo saw the statue in the stone before he started to carve and chipped away everything that was not the statue
Flags, lines, s/r , appear in the minds eye on a plain chart with just the dots for the fortunate.
I just see the dots right now...................... well there it is!

I do have a bot that uses this software in a mechanical manner whos rules are available on the vendor website, it involves only two vendor triggers and the bollinger band, predefined no guess work.. This was not entered in the bot contest because u gotta buy a license to use their indicator.. This would have been my first choice in the bot contest.

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Has anybody tried or purchased the Flux Capacitor by Back to the Future?

I have seen one or two demos. The system / indicator looks pretty good. However, as this futures.io (formerly BMT) forum is trying to move to an indicator free trading environment, I wonder if this indicator is worth looking at! Time could be better spent learning to read price action.

The results posted on the site and shown in the online webinar are very good.

Here is the website -
I would be curious to see what traders say about this system, particularly if they have purchased it. Is it worth the money? Did it help your trading?

I purchased the system about 1.5 years ago. I ran it for three months could not find an tradable system from the indicators. I went in a webinar last week looks like they have it more together. still i wont purdhase any more indicators with out a room that can show me how they work with complete transparency. I am learning the 1-2-3 price reading mythod curently.

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I know Flux Ron personally. Ron is a fine and honest person. Ron has the flux indies down to a science. I could give someone tomorrow's newspaper and they still couldn't make money. The flux is like any other indy, it might be your edge or it might not. The Flux is not the holy grail, because there are none.

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I didn't read any attacks personally or inferred against Ron or Mike.. . So Ron being a" fine guy personally", I just don't see what issue ur comment is addressing....

For me BTF was little weak yrs ago explaining (ie: "inversion", " neutral dots", "hpe times" )just wasn't there 1.5 yrs ago) and just what the flux wasn't(but who would buy it then if it was just another indicator with no sizzle?)

The training is better now because the main theme is using the flux for confirmation of other technical indicators, like u posted.. This was not the case when they were starting out..

All of the vendors I have seen, who run trading rooms were "successful" traders in " someway" before being involved in the current indicator they are selling and really don't need the indicator be successful trading today. Problem with experience/already successful, is that u draw on experience and u don't know it, so is this indicator helping u make a decision or was it that 15 years of experience for 90% of the decision??

Its funny because once in a while vendors ego will get the best of them and say that they don't need any indicators to trade....

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So Ron being a" fine guy personally", I just don't see what issue ur comment is addressing....

I was just making a comment. I was addressing nothing in particular.

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Here is the stoplight trade I coded.. It seems to trade per specs. Open to anyone who has a license.. All comments and questions, improvements would be appreciated...

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If u are a gun activist , this is ur room.. if not bring a barf bag!!!

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If u are a gun activist , this is ur room.. if not bring a barf bag!!!

Yes they are good ole boys. there screen saver say's it all.

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my 2 licenses are for sale at best offer . Vendor says licenses are transferable(Mike), and will be verified from vendor before transfer , but no training involved from vendor.. Give me a private message.. U know what my beef is from above, and I don't need the distractions in my trading.

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I need to add the flux back into my trading style to gain an additional edge............. all the flux indies have been upgraded and I need to relearn there application to my charts.

Just popped this flux marker onto my chart this morning.................

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I need to add the flux back into my trading style to gain an additional edge............. all the flux indies have been upgraded and I need to relearn there application to my charts.

Just popped this flux marker onto my chart this morning.................

Tiberius

Whats the indicator or indicators you have in bottom panel..............

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Tiberius

Whats the indicator or indicators you have in bottom panel..............

anaDoubleStochastics, DoubleStochastics and ZiNonLagMA

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like a lot of other trading methods, the Flux works. One just has to get in the rhythm with it against their own trading style. So I will pit these 2 types of Flux markers with the CobraSimpleTrend and compare the results.

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like a lot of other trading methods, the Flux works. One just has to get in the rhythm with it against their own trading style. So I will pit these 2 types of Flux markers with the CobraSimpleTrend and compare the results.


Today was a mixed bag. I am not an expert with the flux and I am not currently trading it. But if I am going to take a trade off a flux marker; I want to be in a OB/OS zone or just coming out and trading in the direction of my panel 2. A catalyst for panel 2. Or if in a trade, then pull the stop tighter with a upcoming flux marker. IMHO.

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Today was a mixed bag. I am not an expert with the flux and I am not currently trading it. But if I am going to take a trade off a flux marker; I want to be in a OB/OS zone or just coming out and trading in the direction of my panel 2. A catalyst for panel 2. Or if in a trade, then pull the stop tighter with a upcoming flux marker. IMHO.

Does ur corbra have the ability to plot before the market trades for the day the possible turn times? thats what the edge of the flux is. The flux looks at no price action today for the signals it generates for today..

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Does ur corbra have the ability to plot before the market trades for the day the possible turn times? thats what the edge of the flux is. The flux looks at no price action today for the signals it generates for today..


I understand the Flux, how, why, when; I have been well trained by Ron.

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Today was a mixed bag. I am not an expert with the flux and I am not currently trading it. But if I am going to take a trade off a flux marker; I want to be in a OB/OS zone or just coming out and trading in the direction of my panel 2. A catalyst for panel 2. Or if in a trade, then pull the stop tighter with a upcoming flux marker. IMHO.



one of Ron's favorite Flux trading methods was to trade flux markers off the Double Stochastics turning points in the zones. Whether they be with buy/sell or neutral Flux markers. I also like trading the SuperTrend indie in the directions of the PowerZone. And Ron/Mike has had success with trading the 3 minute markers for the 6E. And I like the 6E.................



of course Flux students know all this.................

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I need to add the flux back into my trading style to gain an additional edge............. all the flux indies have been upgraded and I need to relearn there application to my charts.

Just popped this flux marker onto my chart this morning.................

Why did u go to something else and away from the flux? Could it be the market cycles changed and flux went through a tough period.. Just like the stoplight worked good for a while.....

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Why did u go to something else and away from the flux? Could it be the market cycles changed and flux went through a tough period.. Just like the stoplight worked good for a while.....

Yes.......... the flux was having a tough go of it. The spotlight was a meat grinder. I failed to gain consistency with whatever I tried. So I must move forwards not backwards.

An underlying theme here at futures.io (formerly BMT) is to find your trading style, develop it and trade it. Even if only a few practice it. That's what I finally did after trying other people's trading methods. I now have my niche. Now with all the Flux indicators being upgraded, I don't have the time at this moment to relearn there application. The Flux has grown into a science.

I am willing to back into the Flux, putting the indicators to work on my templates.

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Why did u go to something else and away from the flux? Could it be the market cycles changed and flux went through a tough period.. Just like the stoplight worked good for a while.....

Mike sent an e-mail on Tuesday about the new live trading room for the FLUX, hosted by a successful Flux trader. In that e-mail he said he would follow it up with another so 50 flux students could join. Now, I don't want to be a live trading room groupie, but since I have hundreds of hours invested into the Flux, I was interested in seeing it's application by "successful" traders.

But at this moment, see time stamp on post, I have not received that follow up e-mail.

PS: Got an e-mail from Mike when I ask him about his follow-up e-mail. He said "this weekend"

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Mike sent an e-mail on Tuesday about the new live trading room for the FLUX, hosted by a successful Flux trader. In that e-mail he said he would follow it up with another so 50 flux students could join. Now, I don't want to be a live trading room groupie, but since I have hundreds of hours invested into the Flux, I was interested in seeing it's application by "successful" traders.

But at this moment, see time stamp on post, I have not received that follow up e-mail.

PS: Got an e-mail from Mike when I ask him about his follow-up e-mail. He said "this weekend"

U going for the $500 a month deal? I'm more impressed by someone who has teaching credentials rather then just trading,(though I'm in awe of someone who can make it trading) cause if u can't teach, urs just paying for the privilege to watch...................

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U going for the $500 a month deal? I'm more impressed by someone who has teaching credentials rather then just trading,(though I'm in awe of someone who can make it trading) cause if u can't teach, urs just paying for the privilege to watch...................

No, I am not going to join the trading room. All I need is a few proven good ideas to work with on my present charts. Not to pay $495 to be a room groupie. I will ask Ron what's going on these days.

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No, I am not going to join the trading room. All I need is a few proven good ideas to work with on my present charts. Not to pay $495 to be a room groupie. I will ask Ron what's going on these days.

Maybe we can get some feedback for those who have "struck their claim" for a lot in the subdivision.....

I'd pay lots more if I could create the" terms of performance", but alias vendors stack the performance for payment in their favor by "we will make xxx$ or next month free" if u can stomach ride and we can easily cherry pick the good trades!..... I have seen none that has a drawdown provision, since this is where men are separated from their money.

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Hi traders
here is a trade i took in the ES today and it talks about inversions with it please watch both videos for exsplantion.
happy trading
2011-09-02_0935 - rodny1105's library
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U know what bothers me about inversions, is that the "flux dot" is set just a static offset from the bar and no "magic" behind it (maybe thats a good thing).... Also isn't the inversion is just a failure of market action to go with the prediction.. This is all real obvious after the fact,,,, so do u stop and reverse if an inversion occures, if so what about whipsaws?

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wtf...how are these people justifying these ridiculous prices...

Flux Professional Tool Set = $2495 !!!!

LOL


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Hi traders
here is a trade i took in the ES today and it talks about inversions with it please watch both videos for exsplantion.
happy trading
2011-09-02_0935 - rodny1105's library
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Hi traders
here was a trade it took in the TF but i forgot to post it last night so i am doing this morning.
good trade two contract trade on a retracement from the break out.
I was using the flux to confirm it from the HPE, AMACD,P OWER ZONE..
hope the video make sence.
take care and happy trading

http://screencast.com/t/s1cQQn2Urw

WOW 100% winners so far ????

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they held a presentation and webinar,

they also claimed, as best I heard, that they really didn't advertise, much,

but its been up and running for quite some time,

@roonius used to use them,

any others use them?

are they real?, can we believe in their work?

just curious with serious questions..

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I have had the BTTF sw for about 2 yrs... This is not a trading system by itself, just another indicator for confirmation of ur winning system, course if ur winning why do u need something else?? Lets face it if its so good, why no just trade rather then sell it?
Lots of Great support and education but no holy grail in this for me.........

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I have had the BTTF sw for about 2 yrs... This is not a trading system by itself, just another indicator for confirmation of ur winning system, course if ur winning why do u need something else?? Lets face it if its so good, why no just trade rather then sell it?
Lots of Great support and education but no holy grail in this for me.........


I too was snookered into buying the worthless, expensive Gavin Holmes VSA software. Over $1,800 out the door and no margin call or rallies thereafter.

seems we're all snookered at some point in time...

what a shame, scam and frustration...


good thing we have sites like these to warn others against waisting their monies...

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I too was snookered into buying the worthless, expensive Gavin Holmes VSA software. Over $1,800 out the door and no margin call or rallies thereafter.

seems we're all snookered at some point in time...

what a shame, scam and frustration...


good thing we have sites like these to warn others against waisting their monies...


USA has the best indoctrination of the masses that u can obtain the " dream" for just a few dollars out of ur pocket today, everybody is a wiener!! ,, sure does feel good till that new car smell wears off!!!

I have never seen a vendor have a case study,, here is Joe Blow, homeless person, dumb head and with my system, he is making a living one month later in the markets,, Joe made his goal and is taking the rest of the year off, have a good day joe!!!... (oops isnt that the school brokers go to?)

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they held a presentation and webinar,

they also claimed, as best I heard, that they really didn't advertise, much,

but its been up and running for quite some time,

@roonius used to use them,

any others use them?

are they real?, can we believe in their work?

just curious with serious questions..

futures.io (formerly BMT) has had some indicators that emmulate those,

which ones or where are they?

of course, no one is violating copyright or proprietary stuff....

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Hello Traders

A Trade in the ES i took.

Using the flux and my thought process of trading.

Funny that people write in here about "holly grail"

The holly grail is YOU!!!

any and all tools, indicators, etc.

are what you use!
know !!
and back test!!!

If you blame indicators, for your wrong entree, then you are not following your plan!!
to be a good trader you had better know the "in and outs" of your tools and plan!
and what it can bring in both directions!

I use this Flux tool, every day and it works very well for me!!
but it took time to understand it and how to implament it into my style and trading plan..
and my back testing of my set ups i look for.


I am happy to share with you trades i take and show them here.
But some of you just want to blame blame blame....

Happy trading


2011-09-27_1249 - rodny1105's library

2011-09-27_1256 - rodny1105's library

I don't think anyone here is indicating that it does not "work" for u and I am glad someone is extracting some blood other then mine from my account. Think indicators fall under the 5% winner rule (95% loser odds),, ur one of the 5% it works for, congrats..
Ur videos are informative....
Please elaborate more on the exit strategy on the trades that aren't working out,, since here lies the grail, from what I have observed.... The winners take care of themselves..... Do u depend on a few big winners,, high percent of winners,,, etc..

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Hello Traders

A Trade in the ES i took.

Using the flux and my thought process of trading.

Funny that people write in here about "holly grail"

The holly grail is YOU!!!

any and all tools, indicators, etc.

are what you use!
know !!
and back test!!!

If you blame indicators, for your wrong entree, then you are not following your plan!!
to be a good trader you had better know the "in and outs" of your tools and plan!
and what it can bring in both directions!

I use this Flux tool, every day and it works very well for me!!
but it took time to understand it and how to implament it into my style and trading plan..
and my back testing of my set ups i look for.


I am happy to share with you trades i take and show them here.
But some of you just want to blame blame blame....

Happy trading


2011-09-27_1249 - rodny1105's library

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Save your money and flip a coin. Yes there seems to be a move around 10 in the morning and 2 in the pm. Flip a coin and you'd do as well. jmo

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Save your money and flip a coin. Yes there seems to be a move around 10 in the morning and 2 in the pm. Flip a coin and you'd do as well. jmo

Yes but it would be valuable to me to not sit an stare at the screen those other hours outside of 10 and 2.. Or can I randomly pick a couple of times of the day and get the same results?

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Guys,

I just watched a pre-recorded webinar with this software and it looks fascinating. It does appear that his dots do appear on a 5 min chart (at least the US/CAD chart he had up) 75% of the time at reversals. But....what I would love to know was, how old was that chart? Was it the same day of the webinar ...or cherry picked? Big difference. Also, Im on his site now which I think is called: backtothefuturetrading.com and I dont see any free trials for either the software or the trade room. I cant believe they want me to fork over over 2k with no trial. Hey I would even spend a few bucks to just watch them trade for 2 weeks. That would be enough for me to decide if the risk was worth it for a 5 min chart. I will keep reading his website, maybe I missed it. Anyway, I was hoping Kronie and any one else who owns this software to answer my question and possibly tell us all how the room is and if it adds value to the software program? Thanks in advance.

And yes, yes, yes...no need to remind me. Whenever I see ANY vendor, my first thought is "If this software and/or system is so good, why is he selling it? Yet I really want to believe that at least 2-5% of these vendors are selling their chatrooms/software because they thought they had a great system and it had 1 or 2 flaws, or it was too nerve wracking or they didnt have the discipline to trade it properly. I need to believe this because we all know manyhedge funds are using black boxes and some of them have to work.(I HOPE. lol ) I feel even if I buy software that isnt profitable on its own, if I can use it as a major indicator or learn a new "style" of trading, maybe its worth it. For example I bought software that uses a signal for when the 13 ema crosses the 89ema and boys, the results have been very, very interesting on the 6B and NQ for October and especially November. Thats about 85% of what produces the signal anyway. But I hope someone here can show me the software in this thread has value.

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I need to add the flux back into my trading style to gain an additional edge............. all the flux indies have been upgraded and I need to relearn there application to my charts.

Just popped this flux marker onto my chart this morning.................

Tiberius,

Im looking at your very interesting chart from aug.24th. May I ask 2 things? First what is that Cobra Simple Trend Chart and is it worth experimenting with and where can I get it? Second, how are you doing with :backtothefuturetrading.com at this juncture? Thanks in advance.

Marc V.

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Mark, there's no vendor pumping here, but I would ask that you keep in mind that the forecasts for that USDCAD chart were made public 2 days before the webinar you saw (1 of 10+). You are right that many vendors cherry pick or curve fit their results to sway you into an emotionally charged purchasing decision, usually playing off of your fears and insecurities. I've sat at tables in fine dining establishments in Las Vegas at Trading Expos buying vendors I thought had "pure insight" into the markets Lobster dinners, only to have them do some pretty shady things later on. "Trust, but verify" seems to be a good plan of attack.

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Tiberius,

Im looking at your very interesting chart from aug.24th. May I ask 2 things? First what is that Cobra Simple Trend Chart and is it worth experimenting with and where can I get it? Second, how are you doing with :backtothefuturetrading.com at this juncture? Thanks in advance.

Marc V.

@Marc V. There is the template. double click the file to see the indies inside. you have to be an Elite futures.io (formerly BMT) member to download the indies. This template is just one of my ideas to view and trade the markets. As of late, I haven't used the BTTFT indies. I am from the NT6.5 era and I am having a little trouble trying to get the latest version of the Flux to work on my charts, i.e. the 3 min marker on the 4 range chart. When I bought the Flux, I learned it's applications from the Training Garage and never used any training time from Ron. Being Ron is most helpful, maybe he would help me over come these minor adjustments. My experience is that Ron, Mike and Ben have always been very helpful and honest in their Flux dealings.

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@Marc V. There is the template. double click the file to see the indies inside. you have to be an Elite futures.io (formerly BMT) member to download the indies. This template is just one of my ideas to view and trade the markets. As of late, I haven't used the BTTFT indies. I am from the NT6.5 era and I am having a little trouble trying to get the latest version of the Flux to work on my charts, i.e. the 3 min marker on the 4 range chart. When I bought the Flux, I learned it's applications from the Training Garage and never used any training time from Ron. Being Ron is most helpful, maybe he would help me over come these minor adjustments. My experience is that Ron, Mike and Ben have always been very helpful and honest in their Flux dealings.

Thanks Tiberius for the file. I guess I will have to wait a bit till I become an elite member here to make use of it.Wish i could see a gallery charts posted somewhere here on different time frames. I am on info overload trying to analyze too many things at once. One thing I am learning by overloading myself like this is....just because something works for some one else, doesn't mean it wont be either too boring, too stressful or ill suited for you. I wish I was part of a live team sitting in a trading room. Heck, we could allocate 4 hours a day just to analyzing all the ideas and methodologies proposed on THIS board, let alone all the majors like FF. Keep us all posted on how you do. Best wishes for your success. Anyone else using Tiberius charts, I'd love to see a few or hear how they are integrating with your method or as a stand alone.

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Good day folks, for those that are interested. Here are my trades from this morning using the flux indi. 11 points per contract.
When I get close to a time and an area then I read the tape for my entry. Most trades today had a 3 tick stop. My targets on a couple were 2 points, the rest were 1 point.

Now, who wants to talk about how this doesn't work? I've shown screenshots of 4 days in a row with consistent results. How could that be if it's only 33% correct? lol.

Enjoy! I sure did!

I would edit my original posts if I could. I get a lot of PM's regarding the Flux. I'll answer some of the FAQ's that I get a lot in PM's.

1. No I don't trade it anymore.
2. No I wouldn't recommend it.

That sums up my opinion of it longer term. I found that my own support and resistance lines were what made it APPEAR to work. I took it off and just traded the S/R with better results.

Ron from BTTF is a great guy and a great trader. Is it because of the Flux? Probably not. Most good traders can trade any system because it's their intuition doing the "analysis".
Then there's Michael. He doesn't trade. That's not a good sign from someone selling trading software.

Again, not bad guys. Vendors are vendors. As people go, these guys rank on top. As vendors go, their product is equal to all the other "looks good in hindsight but not on the right edge" courses and indicators out there.

Honestly you're better off losing 2K to the market because the lessons learned will be more valuable to your long term success.

My apologies for posting short sighted positive reviews when I was in the honeymoon phase and needed this to work after spending 2K.

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We have actually turned potential clients back to this forum to download their own free copies of great tools like the VolStop instead of spending money with us.

The PowerZone is an analysis tool that uses any SMA (120 is default) to historically discover trending zones using anywhere from 2 weeks to 20 weeks or more of minute based data. Using a 2-3 week period of analysis historically shows a statistically relevant repetition of trending moves moving forward in the future. The PowerZone is one of about 12 time cycle analysis tools in the package.

As always, please exhaustively research any trading tools or mentors that you are considering. I believe Big Mike's forum to be an excellent source of free information and training, and recommend it to anyone searching for credible and powerful techniques to use in day to day trading.

This is a cool thread.

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Mike has graciously permitted me to address things that are posted in this forum that are speculative - that is to say correct things that are said that aren't based on reality.

It was said, "Ron from BTTF is a great guy and a great trader. Is it because of the Flux? Probably not. Most good traders can trade any system because it's their intuition doing the "analysis".

Ron trades our corporate account (our personal funds) using the Flux tools - and only the Flux tools. No intuition. No mushy-mushy 'analysis'. Those setups are mentioned, and identified in the training room every day. When this "elite member" says something like "probably not", please realize he's not speaking factually and just writing things down. I can't speculate why he would speak to something he doesn't know the answer to, but forums are filled with people who do it everyday. This is a great forum filled with good people - many of whom are our customers. Most of them speak to what they know, and provide facts to back it up.

With regards to the balance of the statement, the "right edge" is where we specialize in. On any given Friday, 60-70 people watch what the data mined histograms say will happen, and watch it happen in the US morning session. I never show a "look what happened" in hindsight chart. I only ever show a "look what will happen" chart.
It's equally fascinating that the post says, "look at what happened to me four days in a row", or

"Here are my trades from this morning using the flux indi. 11 points per contract.
When I get close to a time and an area then I read the tape for my entry. Most trades today had a 3 tick stop. My targets on a couple were 2 points, the rest were 1 point......how could that be if it's only 33% accurate"
?

......exactly.

Lastly, the poster said, "He doesn't trade....That's not a good sign from someone who sells software". The poster doesn't know what I do, or don't do, and again, is writing things to just write them down and fill up forum space. People who want to know what we do, who does what or who doesn't do what can call - and we'll tell them and explain.

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It was said, "Ron from BTTF is a great guy and a great trader. Is it because of the Flux? Probably not. Most good traders can trade any system because it's their intuition doing the "analysis".

Ron trades our corporate account (our personal funds) using the Flux tools - and only the Flux tools. No intuition. .

With regards to the balance of the statement, the "right edge" is where we specialize in.

Lastly, the poster said, "He doesn't trade....That's not a good sign from someone who sells software". The poster doesn't know what I do, or don't do.

Be careful when you read these posts. Ask for facts, and for screenshots and hard data. That's the spirit of this forum/website and what we believe should be the basis of anything in trading.

I was wrong, obviously Michael isn't a good guy. He's still deceiving, reframing and twisting context.

How do you know Ron doesn't trade with his subconscious experience or intuition? If you traded you'd know that experienced traders use it most of all (subconsciously). It's called experience.

And Michael, I do know you don't trade. You admitted it to me in an email, which I have. If you call me out as a liar then I'll return the favor.

And I wasn't boasting facts about right edge, just personal experience with your crappy "tools".

"Just call us and we'll tell you the truth"-Michael. That's equivalent to "trust us, we're the government". Self serving interests can't be trusted for the truth.

I don't boast my opinion as THE "truth" (gospel), just what's true for me. There's no way your products make people money. I'm hoping to do my part to save common folk, not 3rd party vendors, from wasting yet another $2,500 on some POS Ninja add-on.

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I was wrong, obviously Michael isn't a good guy. He's still deceiving, reframing and twisting context.

How do you know Ron doesn't trade with his subconscious experience or intuition? If you traded you'd know that experienced traders use it most of all (subconsciously). It's called experience.

And Michael, I do know you don't trade. You admitted it to me in an email, which I have. If you call me out as a liar then I'll return the favor.

And I wasn't boasting facts about right edge, just personal experience with your crappy "tools".

"Just call us and we'll tell you the truth"-Michael. That's equivalent to "trust us, we're the government". Self serving interests can't be trusted for the truth.

I don't boast my opinion as THE "truth" (gospel), just what's true for me. There's no way your products make people money. I'm hoping to do my part to save common folk, not 3rd party vendors, from wasting yet another $2,500 on some POS Ninja add-on.

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I will say thank you for this post in its concise, accurate and plausible conclusions drawn and said in such a succinct manner as to be readable.

I too drew those conclusions, after wasting live trading capital using those tools only to find that they're fools gold. One could take a Master of Science degree in Financial Engineering and accurately prove to the common folk, just why those tools do not work, but its easier to say that in broad strokes the concept works. The implementation is another objective because the common account has to go down from the sky high 60min chart (where that analysis works) all the way down to the 133tick / 1min /30sec chart for execution. What happens almost above 85% of the time is you're wrong sided into something that a less aware trader would never, never, never have executed his order there. Never!

The sales pitch of common times for actions occurring is something that I learned 20+ years ago, and have shared and read about in discussion threads from here to there! The fact that markets overseas close at a certain time, and they too execute "clean up" trades and steps is observable from Grad school all the way down to the instructions from their head traders and money manager bosses. Its not rocket science. To then draw inference from there, that one can "lean on those orders (floor trader terminology)" is as reliable as doing the MOC order strategy and the OOO (Opening Only Order) strategy that Bright Brothers share as "reliable".

Sure, some win, and some others loose, but would you risk your precious, finite capital on those seemingly regular events, or would you rather take some simple moving average crossover trade that works, during regular trading hours and is followed by just about every method trader in the market?

the red flag for anyone is how often they trawl through the trailer park with their emails and seminars and presentations....

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Mike has graciously permitted me to address things that are posted in this forum that are speculative - that is to say correct things that are said that aren't based on reality.

It was said, "Ron from BTTF is a great guy and a great trader. Is it because of the Flux? Probably not. Most good traders can trade any system because it's their intuition doing the "analysis".

Ron trades our corporate account (our personal funds) using the Flux tools - and only the Flux tools. No intuition. No mushy-mushy 'analysis'. Those setups are mentioned, and identified in the training room every day. When this "elite member" says something like "probably not", please realize he's not speaking factually and just writing things down. I can't speculate why he would speak to something he doesn't know the answer to, but forums are filled with people who do it everyday. This is a great forum filled with good people - many of whom are our customers. Most of them speak to what they know, and provide facts to back it up.

With regards to the balance of the statement, the "right edge" is where we specialize in. On any given Friday, 60-70 people watch what the data mined histograms say will happen, and watch it happen in the US morning session. I never show a "look what happened" in hindsight chart. I only ever show a "look what will happen" chart.
It's equally fascinating that the post says, "look at what happened to me four days in a row", or

"Here are my trades from this morning using the flux indi. 11 points per contract.
When I get close to a time and an area then I read the tape for my entry. Most trades today had a 3 tick stop. My targets on a couple were 2 points, the rest were 1 point......how could that be if it's only 33% accurate"
?

......exactly.

Lastly, the poster said, "He doesn't trade....That's not a good sign from someone who sells software". The poster doesn't know what I do, or don't do, and again, is writing things to just write them down and fill up forum space. People who want to know what we do, who does what or who doesn't do what can call - and we'll tell them and explain.

Be careful when you read these posts. Ask for facts, and for screenshots and hard data. That's the spirit of this forum/website and what we believe should be the basis of anything in trading.

Who is me? Why the cloak of invisibility? I was an early adopter, Mike did not trade but was the suit (so if he is successful now, its because of the tools) and Ron was the trader already.. I coded the Stoplight trade and well did not show its was grail for me, mechanically. We all know the pitfalls of backtest data, especially with tic data and ran it real time for a few months also but..................

Seems like the flux was another way of looking at symmetry of time, similar to what the FibQueen does on timing but different.

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I used to get upset when I read these posts. Really, really take them personally. Not anymore.

There's something called the "review" effect. The 85% of people who use a product, successfully, never log on to a website and post a review about it. They just use it, and go on about their lives. Most reviews are filled by the 15% of people who have a bad experience with the product, and that's just the nature of humans-being.

There's an important social empowerment - a feeling that comes from saying something as an "Elite Member" and getting PM's from new guys saying "Thanks for that!". It all falls apart when you start lying - or posting speculative statements that have nothing to do with the actual product. I've restated - for the record, what the truth is. First, that you showed multiple screen shots of success - abnormally high success, when you were dedicated to using the actual product in the very beginning. You obviously stopped using the product the same way you were using it in the beginning, which is fine - people change. Factually though - you were using it, and having augmented success with it.

Second, Ron trades. The Flux. Michael Maldonado, our live Pro Trader, trades the Flux. He's on track to have a 100% return year. Trades taken, using the Flux, live in a room in front of other Flux users. He's a CTA, and lives as a professional trader using, the Flux. Those are facts. Both are verifiable. Both happen transparently, live, in a room full of skeptical people, day after day after day.

There's more to time cycles and group behavior pattern study than "this is when the market closes"....or, "this is when such and such market opens". WD Gann said over a century ago,

"TIME is the most important factor in determining market movements and by studying the past records of the averages of individual stocks you will be able to prove for yourself that history does repeat and that by knowing the past you can tell the future. …" (Time Cycles by Forecasting Course, WD Gann)

Gann was reportedly 85% accurate in his profitability.

I suspect when one of the esteemed members of this forum finally cracks our software and posts a free version in the ELITE MEMBERS SECTION, everyone on this forum will decide that everything we've been doing for 5 years was genius....revolutionary. People will shout, "THANKS THIS HAS CHANGED MY LIFE"!!!!

I know this, because the Elite section is filled with hacked versions of software that other companies developed, and lost to the masses. As a result those companies have changed the way they lock their code...having to employ third party servers now and complex hard coded indicator protocols. It's sad. Especially when people on the forum say things like, "Well, we would have figured this out eventually!". I would argue that subconsciously, the ideas perpetuated in most forums were generated based on things people learned at other events - or as a result or consequence of something someone else taught, or developed and sold.

I develop tools. I'm a "Tony Stark"...a "tinkerer", a "mechanic". My education is as a Mechanical Engineer. Having spoken to more traders than anyone on this forum...having managed more money than most people will ever see, I can say that my own personal journey has been on par with that of writer Jack Schwager, author of "The New Market Wizards". Schwager confesses in his book he doesn't thrive on the energy of day trading, but rather, enjoys decoding the puzzle and developing the tools that either others use, or he can use in auto-trading methodologies. No one buys his book and says, "I demand to see your trading account", though. Here, I guess, they do.

This is a screenshot with data-mined behavioral output times. It's noteworthy that the times are excruciatingly specific. There are no round numbers, or market closing times like 9:00, or 3:00, or 1:15. These are inexpressibly weird times like 1:17 and 2:23. This happens every day in the world around us. Knowing that is either good news to some people, or bad news to them. Empowers, or emasculates them. It's weird that way.

Ultimately, this is an incredibly personal journey. If rallying against us - calling me a liar for future generations to see - making you feel better about and more dedicated to a trading system that is working for you - if that gives you even stronger conviction to trade your system profitably and confidently, then I'm sincerely happy for you. You've accomplished what 80% of your peers today, cannot. Kudos.

I suppose time will tell if our contribution to the trading community was valuable, or irrelevant. I've decided to focus our energies on the 85% of people that will never log into this site and post a review that do everyday what the 15% here say is impossible. I can live with that, and sleep at night comfortably. When our code is finally hacked, released, upload to the ELITE MEMBER section, and celebrated, I guess we'll have our moment in the sunshine then...albeit a bittersweet one.


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I suspect when one of the esteemed members of this forum finally cracks our software and posts a free version in the ELITE MEMBERS SECTION, everyone on this forum will decide that everything we've been doing for 5 years was genius....revolutionary. People will shout, "THANKS THIS HAS CHANGED MY LIFE"!!!!

I know this, because the Elite section is filled with hacked versions of software that other companies developed, and lost to the masses. ...

Having spoken to more traders than anyone on this forum...having managed more money than most people will ever see, I can say that my own personal journey has been on par with that of writer Jack Schwager, author of "The New Market Wizards". ...
When our code is finally hacked, released, upload to the ELITE MEMBER section, and celebrated, I guess we'll have our moment in the sunshine then...albeit a bittersweet one.

These are strong words for a vendor here at BigMike. If anyone is looking for cracked versions then the BigMike Forum is not the right source for that. I own your software too, but i'm far away from having live changing moments. I'm not a fan of vendor bashing - but for me it was not the right tool, so i don't use it anymore.

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I know this, because the Elite section is filled with hacked versions of software that other companies developed, and lost to the masses.

That is a very big accusation, and one that is completely false. Nevertheless, you now are going to have to prove it or I will be banning you and also consider legal action.

We have a very strict copyright/anti-piracy policy on the site. There are other sites that do what you are accusing us of doing -- take vendor licensing from @NinjaTrader and hack it then release it free.

That is not what futures.io (formerly BMT) is about. futures.io (formerly BMT) has a strong user community of programmers which write their own solutions and then share them with the community. So just like you came up with a method that you are selling on your website, other users came up with a method that they are giving away free on futures.io (formerly BMT) in Elite section.

Anyway, put up or shut up. Let's see the proof that your software has been hacked. This would be your obfuscated DLL's with the vendor licensing removed.

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You accusation really rubbed me the wrong way. futures.io (formerly BMT) is not a hacked-indicator, download site by any means. With the vast majority of the Ninja Trader indicators available here, the contributor authored source code is readily available. If a DLL is involved it is most definitely not a hacked DLL. You ever follow a recipe and make a something to eat? You ever make your own recipe? Me, I can go to a restaurant, taste it and then go home and re-create my version of it. One can and does get to a state as a developer/engineer where if they see it, research it, and/or read about it, they can build their own version of it. When I come to an understanding and “envision” the algorithm or process, codifying it is easy. I pride myself on this ability; it’s what I get paid for during the day. I enjoy the puzzle aspect of figuring out complex things. Your accusation is totally unfounded. Urg….

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...because the Elite section is filled with hacked versions of software that other companies developed, and lost to the masses...

@BTTFT Michael,

Big Mike gave you the opportunity to defend yourself but you have insulted Big Mike and futures.io (formerly BMT) Elite members instead. What a shame..

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I've asked, by now, about a half dozen times, for this thread to be monitored. Monitored for facts as compared to libelous statements that sit on here and go unchecked. Statements like "Ron's a successful trader, but in my opinion, he probably doesn't even use the tools he's showing on the screen to make money".

I hear about these statements from customers, who come to us and say, "I read 'such and such' on futures.io (formerly BMT), and I'm not sure I want your software." When I go back and read what the person wrote, there are no screen shots of our software showing the mysterious, "this is why I said I don't use it". There are no statistical studies....nothing. There's somebody on the forum writing, "this guy doesn't trade his system so you better watch out....snake oil alert". I've lost business as a result of those types of misleading, unreinforced, libelous statements. I've never notified an attorney to send a heavy handed letter, demanding the email addresses of the poster, like some vendors have done. I simply ask for the post to be addressed, and the false statements to be removed. Sometimes, it takes me anywhere between 6 and 7 months to find the post, which has been viewed countless times from it's original posting date.

This week, I admittedly lost my mind.

With regards to my definition of the word "hacked", I am inferring that people in the upload section post indicators that mimic identically what was developed by a 3rd party. I went back to find specific examples of ones I had seen uploaded....files that even other members had commented on saying, "Whoa budddy, those look like such and such's indicators...you shouldn't have posted that here". Indicators like Raghee's mahTrendGraber in a download section. If Raghee, the original developer, didn't upload it, why was it there with no credit given back to her? Others were there, but I can't find them now. A fast search showed however the indicator with the phrase "Blue Wave" in it, alluding to the Blue Wave Trading company. ?

A reasonable person would assume that this is either a Blue Wave indicator, or one that has been crafted to do exactly what the original was designed and reverse engineered to do. Why would a copyrighted name appear anywhere in a download section of a forum? My original point, when re-read correctly, infers that some ideas were spawned by the original community of product developers. People who've said, "I'm going to build a tool...a 'hammer....a really good tool, and I'm going to ask people for money who want to use my tool.

I'm tired of having to come back here and monitor the thread and ask the posters to abide by the rules you clearly delineated at the beginning of this thread. I am consistently held to a higher standard of "factuality" than they are, only whey they break the rules, money comes out of my family's mouths. When I try to show actual facts, a "vendor" alarm goes off because I posted a chart ...and somehow correcting a lie is confused with promoting a product. If I need to be banned for that, please ban me.

I apologize for incorrectly using words like "hacked". This is a good forum, and there are good people here. Many of them are our customers. Many of them are doing a great service to the multitude of traders that need to hear what's written and supported here. But admit it though - when someone writes something about you that isn't true (as you inferred above) you need the right to defend yourself and ask for proof. Because you've worked hard to build something special, and it matters when someone speaks out of turn or incorrectly about you. My product isn't perfect, but it and my colleagues don't need to be defamed because someone feels powerful behind their keyboard 1,000 miles away....

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You accusation really rubbed me the wrong way. futures.io (formerly BMT) is not a hacked-indicator, download site by any means. With the vast majority of the Ninja Trader indicators available here, the contributor authored source code is readily available. If a DLL is involved it is most definitely not a hacked DLL. You ever follow a recipe and make a something to eat? You ever make your own recipe? Me, I can go to a restaurant, taste it and then go home and re-create my version of it. One can and does get to a state as a developer/engineer where if they see it, research it, and/or read about it, they can build their own version of it. When I come to an understanding and “envision” the algorithm or process, codifying it is easy. I pride myself on this ability; it’s what I get paid for during the day. I enjoy the puzzle aspect of figuring out complex things. Your accusation is totally unfounded. Urg….

I worked 15 years for a machinery company. It went out of business because Chinese engineers did exactly what you're describing, here. When asked at tradeshows why their machinery looked exactly like our machinery, but theirs was 75% cheaper, they said what you just said, nearly identically, "where if they see it, research it, and/or read about it, they can build their own version of it." Taking the original idea, and reverse engineering it was never something I took pride in. I instead went back and said, "How can I do this differently....better....faster". Our designs were unique enough for patents, and then I'd make the machine, sell it to a company, and help a stay at home mom earn 15,20K more a year on a machine that helped her sew twice as many products in 8 hours.

Imitation is not the ultimate form of flattery. In that sense, my accusation has merit. Someone sees a NexGen webinar, and then a year later there's a Fib confluence tool posted on someone's forum somewhere that looks identical. Great, it was reverse engineered and given a neutral name. Now do better....take it one step further. Go somewhere the original developer didn't go. Give credit to the original developer, etc. License their idea.

That seems fair to me, as someone who was 'paid to engineer things' during the day for nearly a quarter century...

But again. I'm sorry. This isn't my company, it's yours. You have my word, after today, I won't be posting anything on here again. I'm very, very tired of coming back like this to correct speculative falsehoods. I'm finished.

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I've asked, by now, about a half dozen times, for this thread to be monitored. Monitored for facts as compared to libelous statements that sit on here and go unchecked. Statements like "Ron's a successful trader, but in my opinion, he probably doesn't even use the tools he's showing on the screen to make money".

I hear about these statements from customers, who come to us and say, "I read 'such and such' on futures.io (formerly BMT), and I'm not sure I want your software." When I go back and read what the person wrote, there are no screen shots of our software showing the mysterious, "this is why I said I don't use it". There are no statistical studies....nothing. There's somebody on the forum writing, "this guy doesn't trade his system so you better watch out....snake oil alert". I've lost business as a result of those types of misleading, unreinforced, libelous statements. I've never notified an attorney to send a heavy handed letter, demanding the email addresses of the poster, like some vendors have done. I simply ask for the post to be addressed, and the false statements to be removed. Sometimes, it takes me anywhere between 6 and 7 months to find the post, which has been viewed countless times from it's original posting date.

This week, I admittedly lost my mind.

With regards to my definition of the word "hacked", I am inferring that people in the upload section post indicators that mimic identically what was developed by a 3rd party. I went back to find specific examples of ones I had seen uploaded....files that even other members had commented on saying, "Whoa budddy, those look like such and such's indicators...you shouldn't have posted that here". Indicators like Raghee's mahTrendGraber in a download section. If Raghee, the original developer, didn't upload it, why was it there with no credit given back to her? Others were there, but I can't find them now. A fast search showed however the indicator with the phrase "Blue Wave" in it, alluding to the Blue Wave Trading company. ?

A reasonable person would assume that this is either a Blue Wave indicator, or one that has been crafted to do exactly what the original was designed and reverse engineered to do. Why would a copyrighted name appear anywhere in a download section of a forum? My original point, when re-read correctly, infers that some ideas were spawned by the original community of product developers. People who've said, "I'm going to build a tool...a 'hammer....a really good tool, and I'm going to ask people for money who want to use my tool.

I'm tired of having to come back here and monitor the thread and ask the posters to abide by the rules you clearly delineated at the beginning of this thread. I am consistently held to a higher standard of "factuality" than they are, only whey they break the rules, money comes out of my family's mouths. When I try to show actual facts, a "vendor" alarm goes off because I posted a chart ...and somehow correcting a lie is confused with promoting a product. If I need to be banned for that, please ban me.

I apologize for incorrectly using words like "hacked". This is a good forum, and there are good people here. Many of them are our customers. Many of them are doing a great service to the multitude of traders that need to hear what's written and supported here. But admit it though - when someone writes something about you that isn't true (as you inferred above) you need the right to defend yourself and ask for proof. Because you've worked hard to build something special, and it matters when someone speaks out of turn or incorrectly about you. My product isn't perfect, but it and my colleagues don't need to be defamed because someone feels powerful behind their keyboard 1,000 miles away....

sorry bad example

it has nothing to do with blue wave. it's just a simple supertrend indicator. like the creator said: "wrong indicator name"



and for the Raghee's mahTrendGraber indicator, of course credit was given to her:



including her free ebook (explaining the setup for that indicator):

https://www.dailyforextradingedge.com/sites/default/files/ebook.pdf

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I used to get upset when I read these posts. Really, really take them personally. Not anymore.

There's something called the "review" effect. The 85% of people who use a product, successfully, never log on to a website and post a review about it. They just use it, and go on about their lives. Most reviews are filled by the 15% of people who have a bad experience with the product, and that's just the nature of humans-being.

There's an important social empowerment - a feeling that comes from saying something as an "Elite Member" and getting PM's from new guys saying "Thanks for that!". It all falls apart when you start lying - or posting speculative statements that have nothing to do with the actual product. I've restated - for the record, what the truth is. First, that you showed multiple screen shots of success - abnormally high success, when you were dedicated to using the actual product in the very beginning. You obviously stopped using the product the same way you were using it in the beginning, which is fine - people change. Factually though - you were using it, and having augmented success with it.

Second, Ron trades. The Flux. Michael Maldonado, our live Pro Trader, trades the Flux. He's on track to have a 100% return year. Trades taken, using the Flux, live in a room in front of other Flux users. He's a CTA, and lives as a professional trader using, the Flux. Those are facts. Both are verifiable. Both happen transparently, live, in a room full of skeptical people, day after day after day.

There's more to time cycles and group behavior pattern study than "this is when the market closes"....or, "this is when such and such market opens". WD Gann said over a century ago,

"TIME is the most important factor in determining market movements and by studying the past records of the averages of individual stocks you will be able to prove for yourself that history does repeat and that by knowing the past you can tell the future. …" (Time Cycles by Forecasting Course, WD Gann)

Gann was reportedly 85% accurate in his profitability.

I suspect when one of the esteemed members of this forum finally cracks our software and posts a free version in the ELITE MEMBERS SECTION, everyone on this forum will decide that everything we've been doing for 5 years was genius....revolutionary. People will shout, "THANKS THIS HAS CHANGED MY LIFE"!!!!

I know this, because the Elite section is filled with hacked versions of software that other companies developed, and lost to the masses. As a result those companies have changed the way they lock their code...having to employ third party servers now and complex hard coded indicator protocols. It's sad. Especially when people on the forum say things like, "Well, we would have figured this out eventually!". I would argue that subconsciously, the ideas perpetuated in most forums were generated based on things people learned at other events - or as a result or consequence of something someone else taught, or developed and sold.

I develop tools. I'm a "Tony Stark"...a "tinkerer", a "mechanic". My education is as a Mechanical Engineer. Having spoken to more traders than anyone on this forum...having managed more money than most people will ever see, I can say that my own personal journey has been on par with that of writer Jack Schwager, author of "The New Market Wizards". Schwager confesses in his book he doesn't thrive on the energy of day trading, but rather, enjoys decoding the puzzle and developing the tools that either others use, or he can use in auto-trading methodologies. No one buys his book and says, "I demand to see your trading account", though. Here, I guess, they do.

This is a screenshot with data-mined behavioral output times. It's noteworthy that the times are excruciatingly specific. There are no round numbers, or market closing times like 9:00, or 3:00, or 1:15. These are inexpressibly weird times like 1:17 and 2:23. This happens every day in the world around us. Knowing that is either good news to some people, or bad news to them. Empowers, or emasculates them. It's weird that way.

Ultimately, this is an incredibly personal journey. If rallying against us - calling me a liar for future generations to see - making you feel better about and more dedicated to a trading system that is working for you - if that gives you even stronger conviction to trade your system profitably and confidently, then I'm sincerely happy for you. You've accomplished what 80% of your peers today, cannot. Kudos.

I suppose time will tell if our contribution to the trading community was valuable, or irrelevant. I've decided to focus our energies on the 85% of people that will never log into this site and post a review that do everyday what the 15% here say is impossible. I can live with that, and sleep at night comfortably. When our code is finally hacked, released, upload to the ELITE MEMBER section, and celebrated, I guess we'll have our moment in the sunshine then...albeit a bittersweet one.


Guess I'm missing the genius of the chart u posted, first u have to be fast since this is a 1 min chart(I know the flux tells u signal is coming up), I see about 16 trades, using just a simple method(of course we could curve fit or use insane stops) , enter on the first tic of new bar after signal, a few tics stop past the entry bar i see 7 wins and 9 losers,, no better then a 50/50 day. Course the trend is ur friend till it isnt...

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I've asked, by now, about a half dozen times, for this thread to be monitored. Monitored for facts as compared to libelous statements that sit on here and go unchecked. Statements like "Ron's a successful trader, but in my opinion, he probably doesn't even use the tools he's showing on the screen to make money".

I hear about these statements from customers, who come to us and say, "I read 'such and such' on futures.io (formerly BMT), and I'm not sure I want your software." When I go back and read what the person wrote, there are no screen shots of our software showing the mysterious, "this is why I said I don't use it". There are no statistical studies....nothing. There's somebody on the forum writing, "this guy doesn't trade his system so you better watch out....snake oil alert". I've lost business as a result of those types of misleading, unreinforced, libelous statements. I've never notified an attorney to send a heavy handed letter, demanding the email addresses of the poster, like some vendors have done. I simply ask for the post to be addressed, and the false statements to be removed. Sometimes, it takes me anywhere between 6 and 7 months to find the post, which has been viewed countless times from it's original posting date.

This week, I admittedly lost my mind.

With regards to my definition of the word "hacked", I am inferring that people in the upload section post indicators that mimic identically what was developed by a 3rd party. I went back to find specific examples of ones I had seen uploaded....files that even other members had commented on saying, "Whoa budddy, those look like such and such's indicators...you shouldn't have posted that here". Indicators like Raghee's mahTrendGraber in a download section. If Raghee, the original developer, didn't upload it, why was it there with no credit given back to her? Others were there, but I can't find them now. A fast search showed however the indicator with the phrase "Blue Wave" in it, alluding to the Blue Wave Trading company. ?

A reasonable person would assume that this is either a Blue Wave indicator, or one that has been crafted to do exactly what the original was designed and reverse engineered to do. Why would a copyrighted name appear anywhere in a download section of a forum? My original point, when re-read correctly, infers that some ideas were spawned by the original community of product developers. People who've said, "I'm going to build a tool...a 'hammer....a really good tool, and I'm going to ask people for money who want to use my tool.

I'm tired of having to come back here and monitor the thread and ask the posters to abide by the rules you clearly delineated at the beginning of this thread. I am consistently held to a higher standard of "factuality" than they are, only whey they break the rules, money comes out of my family's mouths. When I try to show actual facts, a "vendor" alarm goes off because I posted a chart ...and somehow correcting a lie is confused with promoting a product. If I need to be banned for that, please ban me.

I apologize for incorrectly using words like "hacked". This is a good forum, and there are good people here. Many of them are our customers. Many of them are doing a great service to the multitude of traders that need to hear what's written and supported here. But admit it though - when someone writes something about you that isn't true (as you inferred above) you need the right to defend yourself and ask for proof. Because you've worked hard to build something special, and it matters when someone speaks out of turn or incorrectly about you. My product isn't perfect, but it and my colleagues don't need to be defamed because someone feels powerful behind their keyboard 1,000 miles away....

Hi,

First it is not libel if a user is stating their opinion.

As far as someone using futures.io (formerly BMT) to make an informed decision before purchasing your products, futures.io (formerly BMT) was created with that being one of its goals. People share experiences here. Good or bad.

With regards to lawyers and such, you are free to serve legal notice. I receive them all the time from vendors who are unhappy with how their company is being represented. If the statements were made based on opinion or experience, I will not remove them and I will see you in court. I have spent a great deal of money defending the rights of posters on futures.io (formerly BMT). I know other forums roll over and delete stuff, I do not. However, if the post was made with malicious intent (ie libel) then I will happily remove it, and I am usually first to do so because I don't stand for anything like that on the forum.

Unfortunately it has been my experience that indicator vendors place far too much weight on the indicators they are selling, and they end up over representing their effectiveness in generating profits to potential customers, who in turn can be very upset if they are not money makers. There are absolutely vendors that have good intentions and don't do this purposely, but possibly from lack of experience in which they don't realize that if they themselves are making money with the indicator it could be due to other trading related experience, and not the indicator.

There are then of course the truly bad vendors, the ones who post performance reports of how much money something has made in the past, usually in the form of a completely unrealistic backtest, in order to lure in uneducated or inexperienced traders that don't know any better. I do not know how those people can sleep at night.

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sorry bad example

it has nothing to do with blue wave. it's just a simple supertrend indicator. like the creator said: "wrong indicator name"



and for the Raghee's mahTrendGraber indicator, of course credit was given to her:



including her free ebook (explaining the setup for that indicator):

https://www.dailyforextradingedge.com/sites/default/files/ebook.pdf

@Silvester17

Thank you for the PDF link

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Dear all,

I ve been reading the thread and honestly I can't tell if Flux Indicator is powerfull or not.

Could someone who bought the sofware told us if the signals are relevants or it s just another useless product which has been created to sell dreams.

Thank you very much for your prompt reply.

Regards,

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I bought the Flux pro package with all the tools.
I spent many hours watching their videos and watching Ron in the live training room. I followed their “How to develop a trading strategy” course. After a few months, I was very familiar with their tools.

I developed some strategies using their tools but none were profitable enough to use live. I implemented one of Michael Lydick's strategies verbatim as he described in his "Trade Like a Pro" Webinar. The results were nowhere near what he showed. My TCM markers appeared in the same place as his. I questioned him several times to make sure that my implementation was the same as his. He never answered my questions and always said that he was too busy and would get back to me next week. After several rounds of this week after week i gave up. It was very clear to me that he was avoiding the issue and that he was not willing to backup what he claimed in his webinar. As a Flux customer who has paid several thousands, I was not happy at all with the support from him.

I thought that I could get a better insight by signing up for the Maldonaldo Live trade room. I found that he tried to use the Flux indicators for his setups but never had success with them. He had successful trades but they came from new setups using non-Flux tools.

The Flux runs best on a 1 minute timeframe and although it does find times during the day when the market moves in a direction, that move is actually quite small and, after comissions, not really worth the risk for the small reward.

Hope this helps.
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Hi, i'm using flux for 2 weeks now and as a DAX scalper i only have one loosing trade, (~ 6 trades in the morning / day) so at the moment, nothing bad to said....
It's working very well on Gold as well, no loosing trades but not many trades on Gold just few
The best for me, at the moment with the DAX is Emini Nasdaq, at least 5 trades /day no loosing one

It's to early to know if it will continue so let see !!

I will come back to you in fews weeks to let you know

One most important thing i want to say, whatever the system or indicators you use, do not use it as his own but add it to your way to trade....i'm market profile and volume profile trader, i'm using order flow to trade so i try it in conjonction with my levels and for now it's works..

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Let me share my experience with Back to the Future Trading. I purchased their Flux Professional Package back in February 2013. I vividly remember buying it and getting it installed on a Monday. On Wednesday of that same week I started getting severe abdomen pains. Ultimately I had to go to the doctor and long story short, I was eventually diagnosed with AML (Acute Myeloid Leukemia). A few weeks later when I was in the hospital and the whirl wind began to settle down a little bit, my thoughts went to the software I had just purchased. When I bought the software it was my understanding that there was a time limit on how long I had to take advantage of some of the training opportunities. It sickened me that I had just spent a chunk of money and did not even get a chance to get into it. I had my wife e-mail the people at Back to the Future Trading and explain the situation to them. I asked her to see if they would be willing to stop the clock on my training time frame so that it would not just run out while I was unable to take advantage of it. They promptly answered back with a very sincere and heartwarming message. They were more than willing to grant my request and also promised to keep me in their thoughts and prayers. When my wife read me their response it truly touched me and made me feel good. Fast forwarding, I have survived, the cancer is in remission, and I am doing very well at recovering.

Now that I have the energy, I am getting the chance to learn and use the software. I first learned of Back to the Future Trading thru another company called MtPredictor. I have owned and used MtPredictor software for many years. I learned that other MtPredictor customer's were also using Back to the Future Trading Flux tools and they said that the two systems complemented each other very well. MtPredictor has strengths in price and pattern and the Flux tools have strengths in time. So when I combine both tools (each engineered from a completely different perspective) and they both agree with each other, then I find those signals to be very powerful. I have been very happy with my purchase.

I will admit that Back to the Future Trading has a large number of tools (some of which I have yet to look at) and it can be a bit overwhelming and intimidating. There is a learning curve involved, but their support and willingness to help is outstanding. I have found that they are not just providing their customers with a cookie cutter trading system and saying "trade my system exactly like I do." Instead, they are providing tools, teaching the intent of the tools, and allowing the customer to apply it whatever way works best for them. It is true that you cannot just blindly trade every signal that the Flux Time Cycle Marker generates, but they do not teach that you should trade that way either. Like any other indicator or tool it must be used properly to generate good results.

I mentioned earlier that the strength of the Flux tools was time, but in order to be fair I must also say that they have some powerful price tools as well. I had just not focused on that part of it to start with because I owned MtPredictor. As I learn the Flux tools better I am starting to see good trading opportunities using just their tools. At the beginning of April of this year Back to the Future Trading held a training conference in Las Vegas. Because that is fairly close to my home I chose to attend and I am very glad that I did. First, I had the chance to meet the people in person who had been so kind to me and treated me so well (Michael, Ron, and Rachel). Second, I was introduced to 2 of their newest tools, the Flux Time Zones, and the Flux Daily Cycle Markers. I am loving both of these tools and see great promise for them. I am still learning them and have not used them with live money yet, but I will admit that is my fault. My energy levels are still very low and I do not get to dedicate as much time as I would like, hence it takes me longer to get things done.

In summary, I just wanted to state that I for one have been very happy with my purchase of the Flux tools from Back to the Future Trading. My experience with them shows me that they are good, honest, decent people who care a great deal about their customers. My trading has improved because of my association with them. Thank you Michael, Ron, and Rachel for everything you have done for me!

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I'd also like to express an opinion on "Back-To-The-Future's" Flux Package, Time Cycle Marker (TCM) software.

In April 2013, I purchased "Back-To-The-Future's" Flux Package, and incorporated the Time Cycle Markers (TCMs) and Histograms, into my charts. I've had great success with the timing signals in my system in conjunction with the other elements of my system..

I am a multi-instrument Futures, and Forex trader. I execute on the NT platform, and typically trade two contracts (Futures) and 100,000 with Forex. I use a combination of several alpha entry signal methods. My primary footprint for executing trades are found within "Rios Quantitative's Gnos Levels," and I use the Flux Time Cycle Markers to anticipate times a possible change in momentum will occur. I do not use the TCMs as my alpha signal for entry alone.

Are the TCMs 100% accurate? Of course not, nothing is. Are the TCMs 70% accurate as Michael repeatedly mentions in his webinars ... my experience says, yes. I've also found everyone at Back-To-The-Future Trading to be extremely professional and responsive, whenever I needed assistance.

I have read a few posts of users who were unsuccessful using the product, however, that doesn't mean the product isn't great, and effective when used properly. My experience demonstrates that Michael and Ron have developed a remarkable, and unique product.

I attached a few recent trades which show how the TCMs lead price action. Take a look, and you be the judge ...

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Additional Trades (including 4 trades today) showing Rios Quantitative's Gnos Levels and Flux TCMs ...

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More trades... swing trades on GC and SI during London & from this morning
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Hi,

This is a vendor review thread. Please post your review. This is not a journal for screenshots.

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Have no worries Mike ... I was trying to demonstrate how the cycle markers work in assisting real trades on a frequent basis. A picture is sometimes worth a thousand words.

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i love after the fact pictures....they are sooo comforting and profitable.

buy when cci above zero...selll when cci below zero.

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@tflanner Exactly.
The screenshots show how the RiosQuant system can work but certainly not how the Flux works.
Indeed it shows that sometimes the Flux can work with RiosQuant but drawing random dots can also show this.

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"Indeed it shows that sometimes the Flux can work with Rios Quant but drawing random dots can also show this."

Not sure what you mean exactly, and with all due respect, I'm not clear how you could evaluate something you don't understand, or haven't used (products)? The TCMs have an approximate accuracy of 70%. I had commented in my original post that I personally don't use the TCMs as my alpha trigger. The TCMs are used as a component in an overall discretionary system that begins with market selection, based on correlations, when I am trading risk on/off commodities or currencies. I have no interest in taking trades simply based on a buy or sell TCM marker. That's a recipe for depleting your trading capital.

It's difficult to convey the significance of how these markers work for me in a post, but I love them in conjunction with the other tools I utilize. All I can say is that after 600+ trades since incorporating them into my system (purchased the software in 4/13), the results have been terrific. Personally I think a trader can learn a helluva lot by looking at charts, that's why I posted so many different instruments to demonstrate executed trades showing how Time Markers and Gnos levels worked together.

BTW, I have no affiliation with BTTFT.

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TraderJim,
I am sure you can see how you are coming across despite your intentions. First, you post charts, all of which are predominantly marked up by Rios tools, but you highlight the efficacy of flux. Then you quote flux accuracy like talking points straight out of their webinars even though you don't use them as standalone signals.
Folks would be interested to know that even though you have proven flux to be 70% accurate but you don't use them because you have your own combination that gives you 80%, 90% accuracy???
Please make sure you get a deep discount from Michael soon, regardless of your affiliation.

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"Indeed it shows that sometimes the Flux can work with Rios Quant but drawing random dots can also show this."

Not sure what you mean exactly, and with all due respect, I'm not clear how you could evaluate something you don't understand, or haven't used (products)? The TCMs have an approximate accuracy of 70%. I had commented in my original post that I personally don't use the TCMs as my alpha trigger. The TCMs are used as a component in an overall discretionary system that begins with market selection, based on correlations, when I am trading risk on/off commodities or currencies. I have no interest in taking trades simply based on a buy or sell TCM marker. That's a recipe for depleting your trading capital.

It's difficult to convey the significance of how these markers work for me in a post, but I love them in conjunction with the other tools I utilize. All I can say is that after 600+ trades since incorporating them into my system (purchased the software in 4/13), the results have been terrific. Personally I think a trader can learn a helluva lot by looking at charts, that's why I posted so many different instruments to demonstrate executed trades showing how Time Markers and Gnos levels worked together.

BTW, I have no affiliation with BTTFT.


What the heck are you doing posting screenshots? I don't buy the affiliation statement.

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I have a hard time believing there isn't some kind of trademark or copyright issue with him using the Back to the Future and Flux Capacitor names.

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Trademarks tend to apply to intra-industry protections, where there is a legitimate concern for brand confusion among consumers. Motion picture and trading would not be considered close enough for consumer confusion. One inspires imagination and another's claims are imaginary.

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This week, I admittedly lost my mind.

With regards to my definition of the word "hacked", I am inferring that people in the upload section post indicators that mimic identically what was developed by a 3rd party. I went back to find specific examples of ones I had seen uploaded....files that even other members had commented on saying, "Whoa budddy, those look like such and such's indicators...you shouldn't have posted that here". Indicators like Raghee's mahTrendGraber in a download section. If Raghee, the original developer, didn't upload it, why was it there with no credit given back to her? Others were there, but I can't find them now. A fast search showed however the indicator with the phrase "Blue Wave" in it, alluding to the Blue Wave Trading company. ?

..

@BTTFT Michael,

I just saw your post reading @Big Mike's response to you. I don't know who you are, what you sell, or what your gripe is about, but apparently as you admit you may have lost your mind to accuse others of hacking. I assume your whatever indicator that you are selling is 100% original. @Big Mike has done a great job here so far to expose and boot out snake oils, his record show that.

For your information, Ragee's chart setup is no secret and she has presented it publically in Futures and Forex Expos and described it fully. The indicator mahTrendGraber in futures.io (formerly BMT) downloads was written for this setup for NinjaTrader when it was not available for NT. Since then, at least one "Legit Vendor" has hacked this mah NT version and selling it as part of a package.

You did not even bothered to read what was written for description of the indicator in download section that gives full credit to Ragee Horner for the concept. Here is your chance to read it again at this link so that you don't jump to conclusion again, the very same thing you are complaining about:



And here is the description submitted with the indicator:

"I wrote this indicator based on a chart setup used by Raghee Horner for trading currency pairs but it can be applied to any instrument. So, credit for the idea goes to Ms. Horner.

Although this indicator is very simple, it is very powerful when used correctly. The indicator is a trend following setup that will keep one out of choppy markets and on the right side of the trend.

It is helpful to watch one of Raghee's seminars on IBFX to understand how this indicator is applied.

Enjoy!!

Added on October 10, 2011:

Here is a link to free Raghee Horner's eBook on this setup.

https://www.dailyforextradingedge.com/sites/default/files/ebook.pdf


Added on November 2, 2011

When I see Raghee in a couple of weeks in Traders' Expo in Las Vegas I will discuss specifics of this setup and report back.

Also, will tell her that "Tiberius" said" You didn't tell me that Raghee was so good looking. Because she is."


Added on November 6, 2011
Revised to add shading to show EMA as a band. Just replace the older version.

Exported using:

NT 7.0.10000."

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sorry bad example



and for the Raghee's mahTrendGraber indicator, of course credit was given to her:



including her free ebook (explaining the setup for that indicator):

https://www.dailyforextradingedge.com/sites/default/files/ebook.pdf

@Silvester17,

Thanks buddy for your support in my absence. True, it was a bad example out of 1000's, but his statement is a good example of an uninformed judgement.

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Trademarks tend to apply to intra-industry protections, where there is a legitimate concern for brand confusion among consumers. Motion picture and trading would not be considered close enough for consumer confusion. One inspires imagination and another's claims are imaginary.

Email sent to Universal Studios, I'll let their lawyers decide.

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TraderJim,
I am sure you can see how you are coming across despite your intentions. First, you post charts, all of which are predominantly marked up by Rios tools, but you highlight the efficacy of flux. Then you quote flux accuracy like talking points straight out of their webinars even though you don't use them as standalone signals.
Folks would be interested to know that even though you have proven flux to be 70% accurate but you don't use them because you have your own combination that gives you 80%, 90% accuracy???
Please make sure you get a deep discount from Michael soon, regardless of your affiliation.


My intentions are to help other traders be better traders. Some of you might consider being less judgmental and condescending---you might learn something new--not just about trading, but yourselves. Unfounded suspicions and accusations actually say a lot about your own projections, and perhaps play into your trading decisions?

If I run across a great thing, and it works for me, I'll pass it along to others. I thought that was the purpose of this website and thread. I'd also give Rios Quantitative a similar "two thumbs-up" great review. Joe Rios, the founder, is a friend and has an exceptional track record and reputation in the financial & trading community. He's a great person, and humble. We've exchanged trading ideas back and forth nearly every trading day for the past two years. And guess what, I have no affiliation with Rios Quantitative except being a member. If you really want to learn something, watch this interview with Joe:

All of those "marked-up Rios charts" were marked up by me to try and demonstrate how components of the system appear visually. They are marked up because they are posted for others to view. The only elements not marked up are the Gnos levels, accelerator prints, channels, the TCMs, and the candles. If you would take the time to reread what I wrote, look more closely at the charts, and do some homework, maybe you can put 2 + 2 together a little better, and see a clearer picture.

What more to say? I'm having a great trading week with my system: the Rios Gnos levels and the Flux TCMs. Seventeen trades: 14 winners, 3 losers for $7,181.88 after commissions, trading 2 contracts (one trade 3 with the YM). I follow my rules, feel good about my market selection using a quant approach & my money management!

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I find it helpful the comments and markup pictures posted of how one uses a vendors indicator and made their evaluation..

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I find it helpful the comments and markup pictures posted of how one uses a vendors indicator and made their evaluation..

Glad that you are finding it helpful to see how Rios tools are being used. My point remains lost with the poster that this is not a Rios thread nor a place to post screenshots, yet all his postings support Rios and do little for the other tool that this thread is for.
Also, please be selective on the wisdom you find and adopt. There are folks here who have been given Legendary status on a trading site, who do not even have a Live license for their trading platform.

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Glad that you are finding it helpful to see how Rios tools are being used. My point remains lost with the poster that this is not a Rios thread nor a place to post screenshots, yet all his postings support Rios and do little for the other tool that this thread is for.
Also, please be selective on the wisdom you find and adopt. There are folks here who have been given Legendary status on a trading site, who do not even have a Live license for their trading platform.

Where do u think this information should be posted? Maybe like the Battle of the Bots , have a Battle of the Vendors.
Only minimum requirement, Like x number days, which contract. Maybe someone that has the Flux can show its stuff against the Rios tools.

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Some of you folks are still missing the points made. It's not a battle of Joe Rios' system vs. Michael & Ron's FLUX tools: it's the combination of the two used together that I mentioned was beneficial. The point I was making is that the FLUX TCMs (Time Cycle Markers) are a beneficial component in enhancing MY system performance. I had no intention of explaining the depth and detail of that system.

Come on, use your imagination, it's not that hard to conjure up a few possibilities on how the FLUX software could be beneficial. Most of you have an alpha trigger to enter a trade. So if price is trading close to the trigger and a TCM (that you determine is 65-70% accurate) is about to print, wouldn't that get your attention? Do you always take a trade, no way. But when things line-up, it can be powerful. Hence the number of screenshots to demonstrate examples.

The system worked great Thursday morning with a trade in Nat Gas (NG). I ran my quant analysis, and it showed NG to be a strong laggard, so that favored the short side. I also determined it was still in a wave 5 down in a longer timeframe Elliott pattern. My alpha trigger was in a bearish zone. The benchmarks were in conflict (ZN & ES), so I looked to trade 'independents'. Multiple TCMs were close to my alpha trigger. Things lined up. It was a high probability trade ... and I shorted two contracts with a sell stop when my signal was hit. The trade quickly went in my favor, and I took one contract off before the report at a support level for $200 to reduce my risk, but kept the 2nd contract on for the 10:30 AM report. Two "sell" markers were set to print exactly at 10:30. The report came, the build was a disappointment vs. the expectation, and a huge spike down followed. I had pre-determined a support level if a spike down occurred, and I took off the 2nd contract for an additional $820, for a total of profit of $1,020, less commissions of approximately $10. That's how things
can work in a powerful way.

I am going to include the screen shot of that trade so you can see what I've described.

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Some of you folks are still missing the points made. It's not a battle of Joe Rios' system vs. Michael & Ron's FLUX tools: it's the combination of the two used together that I mentioned was beneficial. The point I was making is that the FLUX TCMs (Time Cycle Markers) are a beneficial component in enhancing MY system performance. I had no intention of explaining the depth and detail of that system.

Come on, use your imagination, it's not that hard to conjure up a few possibilities on how the FLUX software could be beneficial. Most of you have an alpha trigger to enter a trade. So if price is trading close to the trigger and a TCM (that you determine is 65-70% accurate) is about to print, wouldn't that get your attention? Do you always take a trade, no way. But when things line-up, it can be powerful. Hence the number of screenshots to demonstrate examples.

The system worked great Thursday morning with a trade in Nat Gas (NG). I ran my quant analysis, and it showed NG to be a strong laggard, so that favored the short side. I also determined it was still in a wave 5 down in a longer timeframe Elliott pattern. My alpha trigger was in a bearish zone. The benchmarks were in conflict (ZN & ES), so I looked to trade 'independents'. Multiple TCMs were close to my alpha trigger. Things lined up. It was a high probability trade ... and I shorted two contracts with a sell stop when my signal was hit. The trade quickly went in my favor, and I took one contract off before the report at a support level for $200 to reduce my risk, but kept the 2nd contract on for the 10:30 AM report. Two "sell" markers were set to print exactly at 10:30. The report came, the build was a disappointment vs. the expectation, and a huge spike down followed. I had pre-determined a support level if a spike down occurred, and I took off the 2nd contract for an additional $820, for a total of profit of $1,020, less commissions of approximately $10. That's how things
can work in a powerful way.

I am going to include the screen shot of that trade so you can see what I've described.

TraderJim would you care to start your own journal with real time postings of some of your trades. Heck, maybe I'll learn something new.

I also think we should keep the focus of this thread solely on BackToTheFuture.

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@Trader Jim

i love after the fact pictures....they are sooo comforting and profitable.

buy when cci above zero...selll when cci below zero.

where is CCIspecial? - nevermind... found it in a post

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TraderJim would you care to start your own journal with real time postings of some of your trades. Heck, maybe I'll learn something new.

I also think we should keep the focus of this thread solely on BackToTheFuture.

Totally agree. It sounds like he has a combination of systems he is successful with so a journal might be a good idea. We may be able to learn something from it. Otherwise he is getting away from the spirit of vendor review a little bit, IMO.

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