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Mike has graciously permitted me to address things that are posted in this forum that are speculative - that is to say correct things that are said that aren't based on reality.

It was said, "Ron from BTTF is a great guy and a great trader. Is it because of the Flux? Probably not. Most good traders can trade any system because it's their intuition doing the "analysis".

Ron trades our corporate account (our personal funds) using the Flux tools - and only the Flux tools. No intuition. No mushy-mushy 'analysis'. Those setups are mentioned, and identified in the training room every day. When this "elite member" says something like "probably not", please realize he's not speaking factually and just writing things down. I can't speculate why he would speak to something he doesn't know the answer to, but forums are filled with people who do it everyday. This is a great forum filled with good people - many of whom are our customers. Most of them speak to what they know, and provide facts to back it up.

With regards to the balance of the statement, the "right edge" is where we specialize in. On any given Friday, 60-70 people watch what the data mined histograms say will happen, and watch it happen in the US morning session. I never show a "look what happened" in hindsight chart. I only ever show a "look what will happen" chart.
It's equally fascinating that the post says, "look at what happened to me four days in a row", or

"Here are my trades from this morning using the flux indi. 11 points per contract.
When I get close to a time and an area then I read the tape for my entry. Most trades today had a 3 tick stop. My targets on a couple were 2 points, the rest were 1 point......how could that be if it's only 33% accurate"
?

......exactly.

Lastly, the poster said, "He doesn't trade....That's not a good sign from someone who sells software". The poster doesn't know what I do, or don't do, and again, is writing things to just write them down and fill up forum space. People who want to know what we do, who does what or who doesn't do what can call - and we'll tell them and explain.

Be careful when you read these posts. Ask for facts, and for screenshots and hard data. That's the spirit of this forum/website and what we believe should be the basis of anything in trading.

Who is me? Why the cloak of invisibility? I was an early adopter, Mike did not trade but was the suit (so if he is successful now, its because of the tools) and Ron was the trader already.. I coded the Stoplight trade and well did not show its was grail for me, mechanically. We all know the pitfalls of backtest data, especially with tic data and ran it real time for a few months also but..................

Seems like the flux was another way of looking at symmetry of time, similar to what the FibQueen does on timing but different.

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I used to get upset when I read these posts. Really, really take them personally. Not anymore.

There's something called the "review" effect. The 85% of people who use a product, successfully, never log on to a website and post a review about it. They just use it, and go on about their lives. Most reviews are filled by the 15% of people who have a bad experience with the product, and that's just the nature of humans-being.

There's an important social empowerment - a feeling that comes from saying something as an "Elite Member" and getting PM's from new guys saying "Thanks for that!". It all falls apart when you start lying - or posting speculative statements that have nothing to do with the actual product. I've restated - for the record, what the truth is. First, that you showed multiple screen shots of success - abnormally high success, when you were dedicated to using the actual product in the very beginning. You obviously stopped using the product the same way you were using it in the beginning, which is fine - people change. Factually though - you were using it, and having augmented success with it.

Second, Ron trades. The Flux. Michael Maldonado, our live Pro Trader, trades the Flux. He's on track to have a 100% return year. Trades taken, using the Flux, live in a room in front of other Flux users. He's a CTA, and lives as a professional trader using, the Flux. Those are facts. Both are verifiable. Both happen transparently, live, in a room full of skeptical people, day after day after day.

There's more to time cycles and group behavior pattern study than "this is when the market closes"....or, "this is when such and such market opens". WD Gann said over a century ago,

"TIME is the most important factor in determining market movements and by studying the past records of the averages of individual stocks you will be able to prove for yourself that history does repeat and that by knowing the past you can tell the future. …" (Time Cycles by Forecasting Course, WD Gann)

Gann was reportedly 85% accurate in his profitability.

I suspect when one of the esteemed members of this forum finally cracks our software and posts a free version in the ELITE MEMBERS SECTION, everyone on this forum will decide that everything we've been doing for 5 years was genius....revolutionary. People will shout, "THANKS THIS HAS CHANGED MY LIFE"!!!!

I know this, because the Elite section is filled with hacked versions of software that other companies developed, and lost to the masses. As a result those companies have changed the way they lock their code...having to employ third party servers now and complex hard coded indicator protocols. It's sad. Especially when people on the forum say things like, "Well, we would have figured this out eventually!". I would argue that subconsciously, the ideas perpetuated in most forums were generated based on things people learned at other events - or as a result or consequence of something someone else taught, or developed and sold.

I develop tools. I'm a "Tony Stark"...a "tinkerer", a "mechanic". My education is as a Mechanical Engineer. Having spoken to more traders than anyone on this forum...having managed more money than most people will ever see, I can say that my own personal journey has been on par with that of writer Jack Schwager, author of "The New Market Wizards". Schwager confesses in his book he doesn't thrive on the energy of day trading, but rather, enjoys decoding the puzzle and developing the tools that either others use, or he can use in auto-trading methodologies. No one buys his book and says, "I demand to see your trading account", though. Here, I guess, they do.

This is a screenshot with data-mined behavioral output times. It's noteworthy that the times are excruciatingly specific. There are no round numbers, or market closing times like 9:00, or 3:00, or 1:15. These are inexpressibly weird times like 1:17 and 2:23. This happens every day in the world around us. Knowing that is either good news to some people, or bad news to them. Empowers, or emasculates them. It's weird that way.

Ultimately, this is an incredibly personal journey. If rallying against us - calling me a liar for future generations to see - making you feel better about and more dedicated to a trading system that is working for you - if that gives you even stronger conviction to trade your system profitably and confidently, then I'm sincerely happy for you. You've accomplished what 80% of your peers today, cannot. Kudos.

I suppose time will tell if our contribution to the trading community was valuable, or irrelevant. I've decided to focus our energies on the 85% of people that will never log into this site and post a review that do everyday what the 15% here say is impossible. I can live with that, and sleep at night comfortably. When our code is finally hacked, released, upload to the ELITE MEMBER section, and celebrated, I guess we'll have our moment in the sunshine then...albeit a bittersweet one.

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I suspect when one of the esteemed members of this forum finally cracks our software and posts a free version in the ELITE MEMBERS SECTION, everyone on this forum will decide that everything we've been doing for 5 years was genius....revolutionary. People will shout, "THANKS THIS HAS CHANGED MY LIFE"!!!!

I know this, because the Elite section is filled with hacked versions of software that other companies developed, and lost to the masses. ...

Having spoken to more traders than anyone on this forum...having managed more money than most people will ever see, I can say that my own personal journey has been on par with that of writer Jack Schwager, author of "The New Market Wizards". ...
When our code is finally hacked, released, upload to the ELITE MEMBER section, and celebrated, I guess we'll have our moment in the sunshine then...albeit a bittersweet one.

These are strong words for a vendor here at BigMike. If anyone is looking for cracked versions then the BigMike Forum is not the right source for that. I own your software too, but i'm far away from having live changing moments. I'm not a fan of vendor bashing - but for me it was not the right tool, so i don't use it anymore.

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I know this, because the Elite section is filled with hacked versions of software that other companies developed, and lost to the masses.

That is a very big accusation, and one that is completely false. Nevertheless, you now are going to have to prove it or I will be banning you and also consider legal action.

We have a very strict copyright/anti-piracy policy on the site. There are other sites that do what you are accusing us of doing -- take vendor licensing from @NinjaTrader and hack it then release it free.

That is not what futures.io (formerly BMT) is about. futures.io (formerly BMT) has a strong user community of programmers which write their own solutions and then share them with the community. So just like you came up with a method that you are selling on your website, other users came up with a method that they are giving away free on futures.io (formerly BMT) in Elite section.

Anyway, put up or shut up. Let's see the proof that your software has been hacked. This would be your obfuscated DLL's with the vendor licensing removed.

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You accusation really rubbed me the wrong way. futures.io (formerly BMT) is not a hacked-indicator, download site by any means. With the vast majority of the Ninja Trader indicators available here, the contributor authored source code is readily available. If a DLL is involved it is most definitely not a hacked DLL. You ever follow a recipe and make a something to eat? You ever make your own recipe? Me, I can go to a restaurant, taste it and then go home and re-create my version of it. One can and does get to a state as a developer/engineer where if they see it, research it, and/or read about it, they can build their own version of it. When I come to an understanding and “envision” the algorithm or process, codifying it is easy. I pride myself on this ability; it’s what I get paid for during the day. I enjoy the puzzle aspect of figuring out complex things. Your accusation is totally unfounded. Urg….

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...because the Elite section is filled with hacked versions of software that other companies developed, and lost to the masses...

@BTTFT Michael,

Big Mike gave you the opportunity to defend yourself but you have insulted Big Mike and futures.io (formerly BMT) Elite members instead. What a shame..

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re: banning

I've asked, by now, about a half dozen times, for this thread to be monitored. Monitored for facts as compared to libelous statements that sit on here and go unchecked. Statements like "Ron's a successful trader, but in my opinion, he probably doesn't even use the tools he's showing on the screen to make money".

I hear about these statements from customers, who come to us and say, "I read 'such and such' on futures.io (formerly BMT), and I'm not sure I want your software." When I go back and read what the person wrote, there are no screen shots of our software showing the mysterious, "this is why I said I don't use it". There are no statistical studies....nothing. There's somebody on the forum writing, "this guy doesn't trade his system so you better watch out....snake oil alert". I've lost business as a result of those types of misleading, unreinforced, libelous statements. I've never notified an attorney to send a heavy handed letter, demanding the email addresses of the poster, like some vendors have done. I simply ask for the post to be addressed, and the false statements to be removed. Sometimes, it takes me anywhere between 6 and 7 months to find the post, which has been viewed countless times from it's original posting date.

This week, I admittedly lost my mind.

With regards to my definition of the word "hacked", I am inferring that people in the upload section post indicators that mimic identically what was developed by a 3rd party. I went back to find specific examples of ones I had seen uploaded....files that even other members had commented on saying, "Whoa budddy, those look like such and such's indicators...you shouldn't have posted that here". Indicators like Raghee's mahTrendGraber in a download section. If Raghee, the original developer, didn't upload it, why was it there with no credit given back to her? Others were there, but I can't find them now. A fast search showed however the indicator with the phrase "Blue Wave" in it, alluding to the Blue Wave Trading company. ?

A reasonable person would assume that this is either a Blue Wave indicator, or one that has been crafted to do exactly what the original was designed and reverse engineered to do. Why would a copyrighted name appear anywhere in a download section of a forum? My original point, when re-read correctly, infers that some ideas were spawned by the original community of product developers. People who've said, "I'm going to build a tool...a 'hammer....a really good tool, and I'm going to ask people for money who want to use my tool.

I'm tired of having to come back here and monitor the thread and ask the posters to abide by the rules you clearly delineated at the beginning of this thread. I am consistently held to a higher standard of "factuality" than they are, only whey they break the rules, money comes out of my family's mouths. When I try to show actual facts, a "vendor" alarm goes off because I posted a chart ...and somehow correcting a lie is confused with promoting a product. If I need to be banned for that, please ban me.

I apologize for incorrectly using words like "hacked". This is a good forum, and there are good people here. Many of them are our customers. Many of them are doing a great service to the multitude of traders that need to hear what's written and supported here. But admit it though - when someone writes something about you that isn't true (as you inferred above) you need the right to defend yourself and ask for proof. Because you've worked hard to build something special, and it matters when someone speaks out of turn or incorrectly about you. My product isn't perfect, but it and my colleagues don't need to be defamed because someone feels powerful behind their keyboard 1,000 miles away....

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You accusation really rubbed me the wrong way. futures.io (formerly BMT) is not a hacked-indicator, download site by any means. With the vast majority of the Ninja Trader indicators available here, the contributor authored source code is readily available. If a DLL is involved it is most definitely not a hacked DLL. You ever follow a recipe and make a something to eat? You ever make your own recipe? Me, I can go to a restaurant, taste it and then go home and re-create my version of it. One can and does get to a state as a developer/engineer where if they see it, research it, and/or read about it, they can build their own version of it. When I come to an understanding and “envision” the algorithm or process, codifying it is easy. I pride myself on this ability; it’s what I get paid for during the day. I enjoy the puzzle aspect of figuring out complex things. Your accusation is totally unfounded. Urg….

I worked 15 years for a machinery company. It went out of business because Chinese engineers did exactly what you're describing, here. When asked at tradeshows why their machinery looked exactly like our machinery, but theirs was 75% cheaper, they said what you just said, nearly identically, "where if they see it, research it, and/or read about it, they can build their own version of it." Taking the original idea, and reverse engineering it was never something I took pride in. I instead went back and said, "How can I do this differently....better....faster". Our designs were unique enough for patents, and then I'd make the machine, sell it to a company, and help a stay at home mom earn 15,20K more a year on a machine that helped her sew twice as many products in 8 hours.

Imitation is not the ultimate form of flattery. In that sense, my accusation has merit. Someone sees a NexGen webinar, and then a year later there's a Fib confluence tool posted on someone's forum somewhere that looks identical. Great, it was reverse engineered and given a neutral name. Now do better....take it one step further. Go somewhere the original developer didn't go. Give credit to the original developer, etc. License their idea.

That seems fair to me, as someone who was 'paid to engineer things' during the day for nearly a quarter century...

But again. I'm sorry. This isn't my company, it's yours. You have my word, after today, I won't be posting anything on here again. I'm very, very tired of coming back like this to correct speculative falsehoods. I'm finished.

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I've asked, by now, about a half dozen times, for this thread to be monitored. Monitored for facts as compared to libelous statements that sit on here and go unchecked. Statements like "Ron's a successful trader, but in my opinion, he probably doesn't even use the tools he's showing on the screen to make money".

I hear about these statements from customers, who come to us and say, "I read 'such and such' on futures.io (formerly BMT), and I'm not sure I want your software." When I go back and read what the person wrote, there are no screen shots of our software showing the mysterious, "this is why I said I don't use it". There are no statistical studies....nothing. There's somebody on the forum writing, "this guy doesn't trade his system so you better watch out....snake oil alert". I've lost business as a result of those types of misleading, unreinforced, libelous statements. I've never notified an attorney to send a heavy handed letter, demanding the email addresses of the poster, like some vendors have done. I simply ask for the post to be addressed, and the false statements to be removed. Sometimes, it takes me anywhere between 6 and 7 months to find the post, which has been viewed countless times from it's original posting date.

This week, I admittedly lost my mind.

With regards to my definition of the word "hacked", I am inferring that people in the upload section post indicators that mimic identically what was developed by a 3rd party. I went back to find specific examples of ones I had seen uploaded....files that even other members had commented on saying, "Whoa budddy, those look like such and such's indicators...you shouldn't have posted that here". Indicators like Raghee's mahTrendGraber in a download section. If Raghee, the original developer, didn't upload it, why was it there with no credit given back to her? Others were there, but I can't find them now. A fast search showed however the indicator with the phrase "Blue Wave" in it, alluding to the Blue Wave Trading company. ?

A reasonable person would assume that this is either a Blue Wave indicator, or one that has been crafted to do exactly what the original was designed and reverse engineered to do. Why would a copyrighted name appear anywhere in a download section of a forum? My original point, when re-read correctly, infers that some ideas were spawned by the original community of product developers. People who've said, "I'm going to build a tool...a 'hammer....a really good tool, and I'm going to ask people for money who want to use my tool.

I'm tired of having to come back here and monitor the thread and ask the posters to abide by the rules you clearly delineated at the beginning of this thread. I am consistently held to a higher standard of "factuality" than they are, only whey they break the rules, money comes out of my family's mouths. When I try to show actual facts, a "vendor" alarm goes off because I posted a chart ...and somehow correcting a lie is confused with promoting a product. If I need to be banned for that, please ban me.

I apologize for incorrectly using words like "hacked". This is a good forum, and there are good people here. Many of them are our customers. Many of them are doing a great service to the multitude of traders that need to hear what's written and supported here. But admit it though - when someone writes something about you that isn't true (as you inferred above) you need the right to defend yourself and ask for proof. Because you've worked hard to build something special, and it matters when someone speaks out of turn or incorrectly about you. My product isn't perfect, but it and my colleagues don't need to be defamed because someone feels powerful behind their keyboard 1,000 miles away....

sorry bad example

it has nothing to do with blue wave. it's just a simple supertrend indicator. like the creator said: "wrong indicator name"

https://futures.io/ninjatrader/20098-help-supertrend.html#post220245

and for the Raghee's mahTrendGraber indicator, of course credit was given to her:

https://futures.io/download/vip_elite_circle/1006-download.html?view

including her free ebook (explaining the setup for that indicator):

http://www.dailyforextradingedge.com/sites/default/files/ebook.pdf


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