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Flux Capacitor - by Back to the Future

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What was the actual Problem with software, Kronie?

Guys,

I just watched a pre-recorded webinar with this software and it looks fascinating. It does appear that his dots do appear on a 5 min chart (at least the US/CAD chart he had up) 75% of the time at reversals. But....what I would love to know was, how old was that chart? Was it the same day of the webinar ...or cherry picked? Big difference. Also, Im on his site now which I think is called: backtothefuturetrading.com and I dont see any free trials for either the software or the trade room. I cant believe they want me to fork over over 2k with no trial. Hey I would even spend a few bucks to just watch them trade for 2 weeks. That would be enough for me to decide if the risk was worth it for a 5 min chart. I will keep reading his website, maybe I missed it. Anyway, I was hoping Kronie and any one else who owns this software to answer my question and possibly tell us all how the room is and if it adds value to the software program? Thanks in advance.

And yes, yes, yes...no need to remind me. Whenever I see ANY vendor, my first thought is "If this software and/or system is so good, why is he selling it? Yet I really want to believe that at least 2-5% of these vendors are selling their chatrooms/software because they thought they had a great system and it had 1 or 2 flaws, or it was too nerve wracking or they didnt have the discipline to trade it properly. I need to believe this because we all know manyhedge funds are using black boxes and some of them have to work.(I HOPE. lol ) I feel even if I buy software that isnt profitable on its own, if I can use it as a major indicator or learn a new "style" of trading, maybe its worth it. For example I bought software that uses a signal for when the 13 ema crosses the 89ema and boys, the results have been very, very interesting on the 6B and NQ for October and especially November. Thats about 85% of what produces the signal anyway. But I hope someone here can show me the software in this thread has value.

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I need to add the flux back into my trading style to gain an additional edge............. all the flux indies have been upgraded and I need to relearn there application to my charts.

Just popped this flux marker onto my chart this morning.................

Tiberius,

Im looking at your very interesting chart from aug.24th. May I ask 2 things? First what is that Cobra Simple Trend Chart and is it worth experimenting with and where can I get it? Second, how are you doing with :backtothefuturetrading.com at this juncture? Thanks in advance.

Marc V.

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Question from Mark


Mark, there's no vendor pumping here, but I would ask that you keep in mind that the forecasts for that USDCAD chart were made public 2 days before the webinar you saw (1 of 10+). You are right that many vendors cherry pick or curve fit their results to sway you into an emotionally charged purchasing decision, usually playing off of your fears and insecurities. I've sat at tables in fine dining establishments in Las Vegas at Trading Expos buying vendors I thought had "pure insight" into the markets Lobster dinners, only to have them do some pretty shady things later on. "Trust, but verify" seems to be a good plan of attack.

Please send me a Private Message if you have any questions about BTTFT services
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Tiberius,

Im looking at your very interesting chart from aug.24th. May I ask 2 things? First what is that Cobra Simple Trend Chart and is it worth experimenting with and where can I get it? Second, how are you doing with :backtothefuturetrading.com at this juncture? Thanks in advance.

Marc V.

@Marc V. There is the template. double click the file to see the indies inside. you have to be an Elite futures.io (formerly BMT) member to download the indies. This template is just one of my ideas to view and trade the markets. As of late, I haven't used the BTTFT indies. I am from the NT6.5 era and I am having a little trouble trying to get the latest version of the Flux to work on my charts, i.e. the 3 min marker on the 4 range chart. When I bought the Flux, I learned it's applications from the Training Garage and never used any training time from Ron. Being Ron is most helpful, maybe he would help me over come these minor adjustments. My experience is that Ron, Mike and Ben have always been very helpful and honest in their Flux dealings.

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@Marc V. There is the template. double click the file to see the indies inside. you have to be an Elite futures.io (formerly BMT) member to download the indies. This template is just one of my ideas to view and trade the markets. As of late, I haven't used the BTTFT indies. I am from the NT6.5 era and I am having a little trouble trying to get the latest version of the Flux to work on my charts, i.e. the 3 min marker on the 4 range chart. When I bought the Flux, I learned it's applications from the Training Garage and never used any training time from Ron. Being Ron is most helpful, maybe he would help me over come these minor adjustments. My experience is that Ron, Mike and Ben have always been very helpful and honest in their Flux dealings.

Thanks Tiberius for the file. I guess I will have to wait a bit till I become an elite member here to make use of it.Wish i could see a gallery charts posted somewhere here on different time frames. I am on info overload trying to analyze too many things at once. One thing I am learning by overloading myself like this is....just because something works for some one else, doesn't mean it wont be either too boring, too stressful or ill suited for you. I wish I was part of a live team sitting in a trading room. Heck, we could allocate 4 hours a day just to analyzing all the ideas and methodologies proposed on THIS board, let alone all the majors like FF. Keep us all posted on how you do. Best wishes for your success. Anyone else using Tiberius charts, I'd love to see a few or hear how they are integrating with your method or as a stand alone.

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Good day folks, for those that are interested. Here are my trades from this morning using the flux indi. 11 points per contract.
When I get close to a time and an area then I read the tape for my entry. Most trades today had a 3 tick stop. My targets on a couple were 2 points, the rest were 1 point.

Now, who wants to talk about how this doesn't work? I've shown screenshots of 4 days in a row with consistent results. How could that be if it's only 33% correct? lol.

Enjoy! I sure did!

I would edit my original posts if I could. I get a lot of PM's regarding the Flux. I'll answer some of the FAQ's that I get a lot in PM's.

1. No I don't trade it anymore.
2. No I wouldn't recommend it.

That sums up my opinion of it longer term. I found that my own support and resistance lines were what made it APPEAR to work. I took it off and just traded the S/R with better results.

Ron from BTTF is a great guy and a great trader. Is it because of the Flux? Probably not. Most good traders can trade any system because it's their intuition doing the "analysis".
Then there's Michael. He doesn't trade. That's not a good sign from someone selling trading software.

Again, not bad guys. Vendors are vendors. As people go, these guys rank on top. As vendors go, their product is equal to all the other "looks good in hindsight but not on the right edge" courses and indicators out there.

Honestly you're better off losing 2K to the market because the lessons learned will be more valuable to your long term success.

My apologies for posting short sighted positive reviews when I was in the honeymoon phase and needed this to work after spending 2K.

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Quoting 
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We have actually turned potential clients back to this forum to download their own free copies of great tools like the VolStop instead of spending money with us.

The PowerZone is an analysis tool that uses any SMA (120 is default) to historically discover trending zones using anywhere from 2 weeks to 20 weeks or more of minute based data. Using a 2-3 week period of analysis historically shows a statistically relevant repetition of trending moves moving forward in the future. The PowerZone is one of about 12 time cycle analysis tools in the package.

As always, please exhaustively research any trading tools or mentors that you are considering. I believe Big Mike's forum to be an excellent source of free information and training, and recommend it to anyone searching for credible and powerful techniques to use in day to day trading.

This is a cool thread.

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Mike has graciously permitted me to address things that are posted in this forum that are speculative - that is to say correct things that are said that aren't based on reality.

It was said, "Ron from BTTF is a great guy and a great trader. Is it because of the Flux? Probably not. Most good traders can trade any system because it's their intuition doing the "analysis".

Ron trades our corporate account (our personal funds) using the Flux tools - and only the Flux tools. No intuition. No mushy-mushy 'analysis'. Those setups are mentioned, and identified in the training room every day. When this "elite member" says something like "probably not", please realize he's not speaking factually and just writing things down. I can't speculate why he would speak to something he doesn't know the answer to, but forums are filled with people who do it everyday. This is a great forum filled with good people - many of whom are our customers. Most of them speak to what they know, and provide facts to back it up.

With regards to the balance of the statement, the "right edge" is where we specialize in. On any given Friday, 60-70 people watch what the data mined histograms say will happen, and watch it happen in the US morning session. I never show a "look what happened" in hindsight chart. I only ever show a "look what will happen" chart.
It's equally fascinating that the post says, "look at what happened to me four days in a row", or

"Here are my trades from this morning using the flux indi. 11 points per contract.
When I get close to a time and an area then I read the tape for my entry. Most trades today had a 3 tick stop. My targets on a couple were 2 points, the rest were 1 point......how could that be if it's only 33% accurate"
?

......exactly.

Lastly, the poster said, "He doesn't trade....That's not a good sign from someone who sells software". The poster doesn't know what I do, or don't do, and again, is writing things to just write them down and fill up forum space. People who want to know what we do, who does what or who doesn't do what can call - and we'll tell them and explain.

Be careful when you read these posts. Ask for facts, and for screenshots and hard data. That's the spirit of this forum/website and what we believe should be the basis of anything in trading.

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It was said, "Ron from BTTF is a great guy and a great trader. Is it because of the Flux? Probably not. Most good traders can trade any system because it's their intuition doing the "analysis".

Ron trades our corporate account (our personal funds) using the Flux tools - and only the Flux tools. No intuition. .

With regards to the balance of the statement, the "right edge" is where we specialize in.

Lastly, the poster said, "He doesn't trade....That's not a good sign from someone who sells software". The poster doesn't know what I do, or don't do.

Be careful when you read these posts. Ask for facts, and for screenshots and hard data. That's the spirit of this forum/website and what we believe should be the basis of anything in trading.

I was wrong, obviously Michael isn't a good guy. He's still deceiving, reframing and twisting context.

How do you know Ron doesn't trade with his subconscious experience or intuition? If you traded you'd know that experienced traders use it most of all (subconsciously). It's called experience.

And Michael, I do know you don't trade. You admitted it to me in an email, which I have. If you call me out as a liar then I'll return the favor.

And I wasn't boasting facts about right edge, just personal experience with your crappy "tools".

"Just call us and we'll tell you the truth"-Michael. That's equivalent to "trust us, we're the government". Self serving interests can't be trusted for the truth.

I don't boast my opinion as THE "truth" (gospel), just what's true for me. There's no way your products make people money. I'm hoping to do my part to save common folk, not 3rd party vendors, from wasting yet another $2,500 on some POS Ninja add-on.

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I was wrong, obviously Michael isn't a good guy. He's still deceiving, reframing and twisting context.

How do you know Ron doesn't trade with his subconscious experience or intuition? If you traded you'd know that experienced traders use it most of all (subconsciously). It's called experience.

And Michael, I do know you don't trade. You admitted it to me in an email, which I have. If you call me out as a liar then I'll return the favor.

And I wasn't boasting facts about right edge, just personal experience with your crappy "tools".

"Just call us and we'll tell you the truth"-Michael. That's equivalent to "trust us, we're the government". Self serving interests can't be trusted for the truth.

I don't boast my opinion as THE "truth" (gospel), just what's true for me. There's no way your products make people money. I'm hoping to do my part to save common folk, not 3rd party vendors, from wasting yet another $2,500 on some POS Ninja add-on.

@tradingonvolume


I will say thank you for this post in its concise, accurate and plausible conclusions drawn and said in such a succinct manner as to be readable.

I too drew those conclusions, after wasting live trading capital using those tools only to find that they're fools gold. One could take a Master of Science degree in Financial Engineering and accurately prove to the common folk, just why those tools do not work, but its easier to say that in broad strokes the concept works. The implementation is another objective because the common account has to go down from the sky high 60min chart (where that analysis works) all the way down to the 133tick / 1min /30sec chart for execution. What happens almost above 85% of the time is you're wrong sided into something that a less aware trader would never, never, never have executed his order there. Never!

The sales pitch of common times for actions occurring is something that I learned 20+ years ago, and have shared and read about in discussion threads from here to there! The fact that markets overseas close at a certain time, and they too execute "clean up" trades and steps is observable from Grad school all the way down to the instructions from their head traders and money manager bosses. Its not rocket science. To then draw inference from there, that one can "lean on those orders (floor trader terminology)" is as reliable as doing the MOC order strategy and the OOO (Opening Only Order) strategy that Bright Brothers share as "reliable".

Sure, some win, and some others loose, but would you risk your precious, finite capital on those seemingly regular events, or would you rather take some simple moving average crossover trade that works, during regular trading hours and is followed by just about every method trader in the market?

the red flag for anyone is how often they trawl through the trailer park with their emails and seminars and presentations....

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