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I recently purchased this method and still working through it but am very impressed with it so far. What I like the most is the fact that it indeed uses no indicators and the method is fully disclosed by the owner. Also, they are very willing to provide support. They have a one week trial to the trading room so you can sim trade it and the monthly fee is very reasonable. Just my 0.02. btw, i have no affiliation with the website. As I mentioned earlier just bought it and will keep y'all posted as to my results. Good trading to all...

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I saw their ads on another forum and went to have a look in their room.

Entries on CL were with an initial 5 tick target & 10 tick stop.

When they got stopped out - they claimed a 10 tick loss. In some cases, this would not have been possible as it blew through their stop without any prints on Time & Sales at that level. When I brought this up they said "ah, yes - 11 tick loss". Anyway - from that I gathered they were sim trading as they were claiming fills that were impossible.

I checked the email headers that I was sent and the emails were coming from Croatia.

According to whois, their web site is registered as follows:

Mario Rocco
5 west street
chicago, illinois 60606
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Administrative Contact:
Mario Rocco () +1.3125676543

That phone number is actually the number for Mercy Hospital and Medical Centre in Chicago



I'm sure there's an innocent explanation for all this. Maybe I'll send them the $2.5k for futures training & find out

For sure - these guys ain't in Chicago.

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From their site too - you can see they are on SIM



Grey background on the DOM = SIM.

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How silly is that, you DionysusToast coming in here as a vendor attacking another vendor - huh ?
I have never seen anything like this before here on Big Mikeīs forum . .. You obviously know nothing what you are talking about..

I have been with TradePrecision for three weeks now and I am totally blown away with the results and accuracy in their trading room ...

Last week was amazing ,, the week before was amazing, - - Today was awesome ... For me as a trader, I have never seen anything like this before...

.. Take the 5 day free trial folks, you wonīt regret it...

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I dont think DT is atacking them, merely offering his point of view.. just as you are offering your point of view... if they are so amazing, feel free to record and capture their trades and contradict DT's point about trading in sim, or even better... post some of your own results to show otherwise and reflect their "accuracy"...


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How silly is that, you DionysusToast coming in here as a vendor attacking another vendor - huh ?
I have never seen anything like this before here on Big Mikeīs forum . .. You obviously know nothing what you are talking about..

I have been with TradePrecision for three weeks now and I am totally blown away with the results and accuracy in their trading room ...

Last week was amazing ,, the week before was amazing, - - Today was awesome ... For me as a trader, I have never seen anything like this before...

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How silly is that, you DionysusToast coming in here as a vendor attacking another vendor - huh ?
I have never seen anything like this before here on Big Mikeīs forum . .. You obviously know nothing what you are talking about..

I have been with TradePrecision for three weeks now and I am totally blown away with the results and accuracy in their trading room ...

Last week was amazing ,, the week before was amazing, - - Today was awesome ... For me as a trader, I have never seen anything like this before...

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Back in January you talked about the eminsniper system like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread...looks like you have had a change of heart. Maybe you should take more than a couple of weeks before you post about these "amazing" vendors.

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Emails from Croatia, phone numbers at local hospitals, SIM trading... It's called due diligence. It's certainly not an attack on them.

I only went to the room out of curiosity to tell you the truth. They had a sweep of a lot of the forums and I like to have a peek when someone does that. I'll admit, I am actually peeking to look specifically for people trying to bait newbies.

I have the skills to spot trading scammers that others may not possess and so when I find something questionable, I put it out there for people to consider.

So - when someone is clearly not trading their own signals, calling out exits that don't show up on Time & Sales, then I enjoy digging a little deeper.

Here's a list of questions you can pose for them for me:

Why is your web site registered at a bogus address?
Why is your registered phone number a Chicago Hospital?
Why are you reporting exits at places no trades took place?
Why are your videos showing SIM trading?
Why are your emails coming from Croatia?

Are these unreasonable questions? To me, they seem quite fair. Certainly, it's not an attack.

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Emails from Croatia, phone numbers at local hospitals, SIM trading... It's called due diligence. It's certainly not an attack on them.

I only went to the room out of curiosity to tell you the truth. They had a sweep of a lot of the forums and I like to have a peek when someone does that. I'll admit, I am actually peeking to look specifically for people trying to bait newbies.

I have the skills to spot trading scammers that others may not possess and so when I find something questionable, I put it out there for people to consider.

So - when someone is clearly not trading their own signals, calling out exits that don't show up on Time & Sales, then I enjoy digging a little deeper.

Here's a list of questions you can pose for them for me:

Why is your web site registered at a bogus address?
Why is your registered phone number a Chicago Hospital?
Why are you reporting exits at places no trades took place?
Why are your videos showing SIM trading?
Why are your emails coming from Croatia?

Are these unreasonable questions? To me, they seem quite fair. Certainly, it's not an attack.

Maybe they just got a great deal on hosting in Croatia....

I'm just a simple man trading a simple plan.

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Alarm bells would start ringing for me when someone takes a trade with a 1:2 risk to reward that sure is a recipe for disaster particularly in such a fast moving instrument such as Crude. Well done to DT for taking the time to research these guys or gals. We should employ this type of due dilligence when thinking of parting with our hard earned cash.

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How silly is that, you DionysusToast coming in here as a vendor attacking another vendor - huh ?
I have never seen anything like this before here on Big Mikeīs forum . .. You obviously know nothing what you are talking about..

I have been with TradePrecision for three weeks now and I am totally blown away with the results and accuracy in their trading room ...

Last week was amazing ,, the week before was amazing, - - Today was awesome ... For me as a trader, I have never seen anything like this before...

.. Take the 5 day free trial folks, you wonīt regret it...

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Back in January you talked about the eminsniper system like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread...looks like you have had a change of heart. Maybe you should take more than a couple of weeks before you post about these "amazing" vendors.

Yes, what's the deal, Biggz?

Do you just sign up for some random service, make a few millions, and then move on to the next?
I had a look at your previous posts, and it seems all but 4 are related to some vendor.

"I canīt speak highly enough about JAM (Jim) The Trader,,, signaltrading.net - -- - His trading room is the best I have ever been in , and he is the best trading coach ( mentor ) on this planet,, in my opinion at least.. Try this guys, you will not regret it.. " January 2010



"signed for one month on Friday to try it out , for 6E only, I think the zones are good..

The criteria to jump to a trade when price is aproaching a zone is to wait until price is about in the middle of the zone , and the bar closes in your direction , in my case, a 4 range bar.. . . and this is aggressive way of doing this..
." November 2010


"I bought this system and method , and for me this is the best investment and best decision I have ever made in my trading , clean and easy to learn , and very fairly priced .. The trading room is awesome , the guys are very professional and good traders .

We have this special Sniper setup which is so accurate that it will blow your mind

I highly recommend it ..
" December 2011



In the same thread you said: "Go for the trial and I promise you will never look back . .".

Those are pretty strong words... Why on earth would you say something like that if you're not even profitable?
If you were/are, why are you signing up for all these services?

This is not meant as a personal attack, I just think it illustrates a big problem on this site: The blind leading the blind.
I have never seen so many discussions on vendors on any other board, I can't even understand where people find all these "services".

If one is just starting out, one might actually learn a few things from such services. But it will be at a huge premium... The same information would be available by doing a simple web search and/or picking up a few books. There is a reason these guys are selling stuff, and it's not because they are making a killing in the market...

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Yes, what's the deal, Biggz?

Do you just sign up for some random service, make a few millions, and then move on to the next?
I had a look at your previous posts, and it seems all but 4 are related to some vendor.

"I canīt speak highly enough about JAM (Jim) The Trader,,, signaltrading.net - -- - His trading room is the best I have ever been in , and he is the best trading coach ( mentor ) on this planet,, in my opinion at least.. Try this guys, you will not regret it.. " January 2010



"signed for one month on Friday to try it out , for 6E only, I think the zones are good..

The criteria to jump to a trade when price is aproaching a zone is to wait until price is about in the middle of the zone , and the bar closes in your direction , in my case, a 4 range bar.. . . and this is aggressive way of doing this..
." November 2010


"I bought this system and method , and for me this is the best investment and best decision I have ever made in my trading , clean and easy to learn , and very fairly priced .. The trading room is awesome , the guys are very professional and good traders .

We have this special Sniper setup which is so accurate that it will blow your mind

I highly recommend it ..
" December 2011



In the same thread you said: "Go for the trial and I promise you will never look back . .".

Those are pretty strong words... Why on earth would you say something like that if you're not even profitable?
If you were/are, why are you signing up for all these services?

This is not meant as a personal attack, I just think it illustrates a big problem on this site: The blind leading the blind.
I have never seen so many discussions on vendors on any other board, I can't even understand where people find all these "services".

If one is just starting out, one might actually learn a few things from such services. But it will be at a huge premium... The same information would be available by doing a simple web search and/or picking up a few books. There is a reason these guys are selling stuff, and it's not because they are making a killing in the market...

I'm glad you did your homework and shared it with the rest of the class While I see these things/patterns all the time, I try to refrain from posting in most vendor threads because I get enough legal threats on the site as it is without welcoming them with arms wide open.

With regards to your comment about "the blind leading the blind", some of us work very hard to help people on the site so I don't really care for your remark... Obviously some people don't want to be helped (whether they realize it or not) so there is not much you can do, after you have at least made the initial attempt to help them that is... but many people are simply uneducated and could use some advice from those of us who are educated and have some wisdom to share.

I would like to invite you to continue making helpful posts such as this one, which I feel confident will help a lot of people realize that "quick fix" solutions or "shortcuts" simply do not exist in the world of trading.



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Those are pretty strong words... Why on earth would you say something like that if you're not even profitable?
If you were/are, why are you signing up for all these services?

This is not meant as a personal attack, I just think it illustrates a big problem on this site: The blind leading the blind.
I have never seen so many discussions on vendors on any other board, I can't even understand where people find all these "services".

If one is just starting out, one might actually learn a few things from such services. But it will be at a huge premium... The same information would be available by doing a simple web search and/or picking up a few books. There is a reason these guys are selling stuff, and it's not because they are making a killing in the market...

Why Lornz? I think people do this because misery loves company; especially when the unkown is involved. I agree, why move from method to method if one is so great. My first fiasco cost me $7500.00 and if it had of worked out for me I would have stuck with it; no way I would not want to get some ROI on that amount of money.

Why are there "all these services"? I think its because people want the easy path (I know I did) and that they (the room/education people) know that people are greedy. If you really want to make serious money, you need to check out my new super secret method at www.make-a-bazzillion-dollars.com. My method promises you that you'll not only make money, but you can do it while intoxicated, sitting by a pool, and you will get chicks........all in under 30 seconds a day.

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I'm glad you did your homework and shared it with the rest of the class While I see these things/patterns all the time, I try to refrain from posting in most vendor threads because I get enough legal threats on the site as it is without welcoming them with arms wide open.

With regards to your comment about "the blind leading the blind", some of us work very hard to help people on the site so I don't really care for your remark... Obviously some people don't want to be helped (whether they realize it or not) so there is not much you can do, after you have at least made the initial attempt to help them that is... but many people are simply uneducated and could use some advice from those of us who are educated and have some wisdom to share.

I would like to invite you to continue making helpful posts such as this one, which I feel confident will help a lot of people realize that "quick fix" solutions or "shortcuts" simply do not exist in the world of trading.



Have a good weekend,
Mike

My "blind leading the blind" remark was directed at this specific sub-forum. There is a wealth of information on this site, and you do an excellent job at moderating and providing content.
There is an uncharacteristically (for a trading forum) friendly tone on this site, and some really helpful guys.

I think most experienced traders stay out of the vendors section, and so the posts here tend to skew towards "ignorance".

Again, I didn't mean to offend anyone. It just frustrates me to see people throw away thousands of dollars, money they could have spent trading, on "junk"...

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With regards to your comment about "the blind leading the blind", some of us work very hard to help people on the site so I don't really care for your remark... Obviously some people don't want to be helped (whether they realize it or not) so there is not much you can do, after you have at least made the initial attempt to help them that is... but many people are simply uneducated and could use some advice from those of us who are educated and have some wisdom to share.

I would like to invite you to continue making helpful posts such as this one, which I feel confident will help a lot of people realize that "quick fix" solutions or "shortcuts" simply do not exist in the world of trading.



Have a good weekend,
Mike


Not you too Mike, you and Lornz need to stop all this common sense and truth talk. You know what, this thread has inspired me to finish my mini novel/rant "Why I don't like trading rooms and pay-for education". It is a real story of how I started, paid out the nose, and STILL failed. I will get it cleaned up as soon as possible and post it.

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Would a thread on doing basic research on these outfits be appropriate?

Most of it is free. In the case of the reverse phone number lookup above - I paid $15 to do the search.

Still - it may be worth doing a 'spot the scammer' thread... although I may get accused of being a scammer trying to knock out the competition...

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Would a thread on doing basic research on these outfits be appropriate?

Did you read the post above yours?

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Did you read the post above yours?

Mike

Yup - but I'm talking specifically about non-trading info.

1 - validating the owners of web sites
2 - checking the where e-mails actually came from
3 - reverse phone number searches to find the address from a number
4 - Using Google streetmap photos to look at addresses

There's probably more - but none of it has to do with trading or validating techniques advertised

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All I can say is anyone trading a risk reward less then 1:1 is gonna be a loser in the long run.

There is no way to "get the market". In the end its all a dice roll, and trading an advantaged risk reward is not enough. One needs to also limit the number of events (trades) per day. I keep it to one trade per day per model. This is the only way to really define ones risk.

Anyone trading stops larger then targets and also trades 5-11 times per day is reckless and ruin on the way.

Spending much time in the pits has taught me that anyone worth listening too is not selling anything. You need to pull it outa them. So when someone or something promises the secret then bounce. there is no secret, except that no one really knows how to manage risk and guess what guys....its not described in some book or ecourse.

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All I can say is anyone trading a risk reward less then 1:1 is gonna be a loser in the long run.

There is no way to "get the market". In the end its all a dice roll, and trading an advantaged risk reward is not enough. One needs to also limit the number of events (trades) per day. I keep it to one trade per day per model. This is the only way to really define ones risk.

Anyone trading stops larger then targets and also trades 5-11 times per day is reckless and ruin on the way.

Spending much time in the pits has taught me that anyone worth listening too is not selling anything. You need to pull it outa them. So when someone or something promises the secret then bounce. there is no secret, except that no one really knows how to manage risk and guess what guys....its not described in some book or ecourse.

One of the best posts I have seen in a long time.

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yeahhhhh NO.

This post is sounding more and more like a retail trader whom is never going to manage real money.

To have a high win rate; the reward to risk has to be inverted. This is what most retail traders do, however to make money in this profession; you have to think about doing things that seem hard and are not what most retail traders are doing.

The best of the best of the best hope every year to net 24-36% on their capitol. And this is when they KNOW that in the end of this games they can only HOPE to be right 50% of the time.

I dont give a rats ass on the system one chooses to use; in the long and short it will be a 50-50 win rate. What makes them money is that their winners are bigger then their losers....hence an advantaged risk reward. All the real traders know their is no intelligent secret that exists regarding trading...except one.....IN THE END YOU WILL BE 50-50, so you better believe you need to focus on advantaged risk reward.

Secondly, to not control the number of events in a trading day (number of trades) you are creating some half ass risk profile. Controlling ones risk is numero uno...not preservation of capitol. Preservation of capitol DOES NOT mean holding onto what ya got in the account...if that is the case then just dont trade a cent and you will have a perfect record of preservation of capitol.

Let me make my bullet points and then propose a challenge:
1. If there were ANY real advantage to exist in "reading markets" then big money would have found it and exploited the edge till the market itself no longer existed. Hello quant systems!!!
2. Risk profile and risk to reward models is the SECRET. Then allowing ones advantaged model to play enough events to pan out the 50/50.
3. Retail does not make money! Trading a retail style = retail trader = no money.
4. Show me the first millionaire whom learned to trade "buying a system online"

Challenge:
lets us both create a live account with 5grand and use broker statements to see whom is managing/trading their account more successfully. We can start now and end it 12/31/11.

This will prove that by not focusing on the real man behind the curtain; one is doomed for failure.

P.S. My nameless mentor made money buy throwing a nerf dart at the monitor and based on where it landed he bought/sold the open using an advantaged risk/reward model. And it made money consistently....

point is....there is not intelligent way to analyze the markets that will tell ya anything. Its gambling, so one can only prevail using gambling techniques.....hmmmmm advantaged risk reward.

Note...that style impresses the one trade a day montra!

Know what your risk is always and that does not mean how much dam money one is risking on a trade or daily max losses.

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yeahhhhh NO.

The best of the best of the best hope every year to net 24-36% on their capitol. And this is when they KNOW that in the end of this games they can only HOPE to be right 50% of the time.

I dont give a rats ass on the system one chooses to use; in the long and short it will be a 50-50 win rate. What makes them money is that their winners are bigger then their losers....hence an advantaged risk reward. All the real traders know their is no intelligent secret that exists regarding trading...except one.....IN THE END YOU WILL BE 50-50, so you better believe you need to focus on advantaged risk reward.

point is....there is not intelligent way to analyze the markets that will tell ya anything. Its gambling, so one can only prevail using gambling techniques.....hmmmmm advantaged risk reward.

If only markets were truly random; they would be so easy to trade. Every system will not have a 50% win rate, that is an erroneous statement. Most systems will do far worse!

There are intelligent ways to analyze the market...

But:trading is a game of probabilities, that much is true...

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What makes you think one can cannot have a winrate above 50 % while using a risk<reward ratio ?

Of course it can be done.

You are also wrong on the other accounts, what you state is completely unfounded.

Goldman Sachs et.al. can hire as much PhDs as they want. as long as there are trends, money can be made. You just have to look at a chart to realise this.

Have head and shoulder patterns, break outs, pullbacks to a trendline etc. stopped working because there are "Quants" these days ? No...these things work today and have always worked.


If you think that there is no intelligent way to analyze the market, then I should actually like you because that means that you will be one of the million players on the other side of my winning trades because you obviously don't seem to mind going long in huge downtrend for example.

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yeahhhhh NO.

This post is sounding more and more like a retail trader whom is never going to manage real money.

To have a high win rate; the reward to risk has to be inverted. This is what most retail traders do, however to make money in this profession; you have to think about doing things that seem hard and are not what most retail traders are doing.

The best of the best of the best hope every year to net 24-36% on their capitol. And this is when they KNOW that in the end of this games they can only HOPE to be right 50% of the time.

I dont give a rats ass on the system one chooses to use; in the long and short it will be a 50-50 win rate. What makes them money is that their winners are bigger then their losers....hence an advantaged risk reward. All the real traders know their is no intelligent secret that exists regarding trading...except one.....IN THE END YOU WILL BE 50-50, so you better believe you need to focus on advantaged risk reward.

Secondly, to not control the number of events in a trading day (number of trades) you are creating some half ass risk profile. Controlling ones risk is numero uno...not preservation of capitol. Preservation of capitol DOES NOT mean holding onto what ya got in the account...if that is the case then just dont trade a cent and you will have a perfect record of preservation of capitol.

Let me make my bullet points and then propose a challenge:
1. If there were ANY real advantage to exist in "reading markets" then big money would have found it and exploited the edge till the market itself no longer existed. Hello quant systems!!!
2. Risk profile and risk to reward models is the SECRET. Then allowing ones advantaged model to play enough events to pan out the 50/50.
3. Retail does not make money! Trading a retail style = retail trader = no money.
4. Show me the first millionaire whom learned to trade "buying a system online"

Challenge:
lets us both create a live account with 5grand and use broker statements to see whom is managing/trading their account more successfully. We can start now and end it 12/31/11.

This will prove that by not focusing on the real man behind the curtain; one is doomed for failure.

P.S. My nameless mentor made money buy throwing a nerf dart at the monitor and based on where it landed he bought/sold the open using an advantaged risk/reward model. And it made money consistently....

point is....there is not intelligent way to analyze the markets that will tell ya anything. Its gambling, so one can only prevail using gambling techniques.....hmmmmm advantaged risk reward.

Note...that style impresses the one trade a day montra!

Know what your risk is always and that does not mean how much dam money one is risking on a trade or daily max losses.


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having quants does not change the market and any claim as such is absurd.

Setups, trends, crossing lines, dog pissing on the paper ONLY will be profitable if risk is managed properly to sustain the market.

And do you honestly think the market knows there is a head and shoulders setup on a 5 min???? seriously. What happened two minutes ago in the market is irrelevant now in regards to processing information.

Win rate and 50/50 are NOT the same thing. One is how often you win your trade and the other means in every trade it has a 50/50 market move either up or down.

There is no intelligent way to KNOW the markets, thats called prediction and that means psychic powers.

Trend following is not prediction my friend.

The system one follows is irrelevant, and thats my point. But what will make or break the account is how risk is managed and engineering an advantaged risk reward ratio.

Advantaged risk reward models have always and will always outperform win rates. The two are an inverse relationship.

Side note...Ill bet ya goldman sachs has hundreds of models that are market specific..and ill also bet ya they are ALL an advantaged risk reward model.

"While money management and psychology are integral to a good trading strategy, they are not the real edge. The true edge is a profitable setup." This sentence of yours just showed me you have no idea what your doing. So again..show me the millionaires managing billions of dollars from some setup....and one where the true edge is not an advantage risk reward.

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Win rate and 50/50 are NOT the same thing. One is how often you win your trade and the other means in every trade it has a 50/50 market move either up or down.

There is no intelligent way to KNOW the markets, thats called prediction and that means psychic powers.

Trend following is not prediction my friend.

The system one follows is irrelevant, and thats my point. But what will make or break the account is how risk is managed and engineering an advantaged risk reward ratio.

Advantaged risk reward models have always and will always outperform win rates. The two are an inverse relationship.

Side note...Ill bet ya goldman sachs has hundreds of models that are market specific..and ill also bet ya they are ALL an advantaged risk reward model.

"While money management and psychology are integral to a good trading strategy, they are not the real edge. The true edge is a profitable setup." This sentence of yours just showed me you have no idea what your doing. So again..show me the millionaires managing billions of dollars from some setup....and one where the true edge is not an advantage risk reward.

Maybe you need to get in agreement with yourself before you start spewing out "ultimate truths" without any evidence to back it up.

To use available information to make an educated guess is not equivalent to having psychic powers. You are claiming that all of the analysts are wasting their time? What about PE funds? Are they relying on R/R ratios too? They just buy random companies?

If money management is everything, why does my system perform better when I enter at certain levels?

What about all the arbitrage institutions are doing? How can you explain that?

I will say that risk and money management can make or break an approach, but to say the approach is irrelevant just shows your ignorance...

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I will say that risk and money management can make or break an approach, but to say the approach is irrelevant just shows your ignorance...

I would concur... risk and money management are integral to ones trading, but so is the approach to determining ones view of the market...

see, we dont always disagree...

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Emails from Croatia, phone numbers at local hospitals, SIM trading... It's called due diligence. It's certainly not an attack on them.

I only went to the room out of curiosity to tell you the truth. They had a sweep of a lot of the forums and I like to have a peek when someone does that. I'll admit, I am actually peeking to look specifically for people trying to bait newbies.

I have the skills to spot trading scammers that others may not possess and so when I find something questionable, I put it out there for people to consider.

So - when someone is clearly not trading their own signals, calling out exits that don't show up on Time & Sales, then I enjoy digging a little deeper.

Here's a list of questions you can pose for them for me:

Why is your web site registered at a bogus address?
Why is your registered phone number a Chicago Hospital?
Why are you reporting exits at places no trades took place?
Why are your videos showing SIM trading?
Why are your emails coming from Croatia?

Are these unreasonable questions? To me, they seem quite fair. Certainly, it's not an attack.

But it IS an attack and you are a vendor bashing a vendor. Wow. I am a member of their room and you, my good man, are off base on some of your claims above! And by bashing them you are attempting to promote yourself, what a terrible manner in which to do business. They call trade entries minutes and hours prior to the actual entry and stick to them. They report their losers and do not make excuses for them as many rooms and vendors do. Does your software do that? How about you take a five day trial and if not impressed then move on! But how many derogatory posts have you used here - I am not certain but I counted three on the first page alone. Do you have issues with them or are you only attempting to, in a roundabout way, promote your own wares? H,mm? Do you dare answer?

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Do you dare answer?

I would hope he does not answer actually, because it is off topic and has no bearing in this thread. If you have a problem with a post, report it (which you have) and the mods will decide what to do. Do not take matters into your own hands, it rarely ends well.

We have received your complaint about some posts in the thread and the moderators are discussing it. I will wait to confer with the other mods before any final decisions are made.

I am glad you are happy with this vendor.

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But it IS an attack and you are a vendor bashing a vendor. Wow. I am a member of their room and you, my good man, are off base on some of your claims above! And by bashing them you are attempting to promote yourself, what a terrible manner in which to do business. They call trade entries minutes and hours prior to the actual entry and stick to them. They report their losers and do not make excuses for them as many rooms and vendors do. Does your software do that? How about you take a five day trial and if not impressed then move on! But how many derogatory posts have you used here - I am not certain but I counted three on the first page alone. Do you have issues with them or are you only attempting to, in a roundabout way, promote your own wares? H,mm? Do you dare answer?

Sure - I'll answer.

This is a trade calling and mentoring service. I took the trial. I saw some winning trades. With an initial target of 5/6 ticks and a stop of 10 ticks, we would expect 66% winners anyway. When trades went past the target, they would claim the additional ticks and say "its up to you how you manage the trade". When trades went against, they always claimed to have exited at the 10 tick stop. Watching the Time & Sales I found a couple of occassions where they called 10 ticks stops in an area no trades had taken place.

By doing a simple whois lookup, it came up there was a bogus website registration.

Their website is full of SIM trading videos.

All of these things are FACTS. Can you point out to me which of these things are not facts?

This isn't a bash, just a list of the facts as I experiened them. Facts can be disputed, please go ahead and do so.

Also - you could actually forget these facts and present your own. For example, you could put up a live account statement for your CL trading over the last month to show how well you are doing with these guys.

This will not prove my facts are incorrect, just that they are irrelevant.

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But it IS an attack and you are a vendor bashing a vendor. Wow. I am a member of their room and you, my good man, are off base on some of your claims above! And by bashing them you are attempting to promote yourself, what a terrible manner in which to do business. They call trade entries minutes and hours prior to the actual entry and stick to them. They report their losers and do not make excuses for them as many rooms and vendors do. Does your software do that? How about you take a five day trial and if not impressed then move on! But how many derogatory posts have you used here - I am not certain but I counted three on the first page alone. Do you have issues with them or are you only attempting to, in a roundabout way, promote your own wares? H,mm? Do you dare answer?

mmtrader4,

I have been wondering the same thing. My site is nearly ready for business. I am waiting to see how long it takes for this vender to start smacking me around too.

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LOL @ this thread.

I understand that people don't like me. That's fine. Still - I did take a trial and these are my experiences. This thread isn't about me - but about this service.

I have to admit when I took the trial, I WAS impressed with the results. At that point, I was a prospective client - more than anything, I was just interested in how this was done. I've seen many trading rooms and most I'll switch off after 10 minutes. This one I stayed with for 4 days.

These guys can call good trades well in advance. Still - I have a friend who's a magician and some of the stuff he does amazes me too. So - I sat down and wrote down all the trades. With a 10:5 r:r, any statistician will tell you that a dartboard throw will get you 66% winners. When I took this into account & the fact slippage wasn't being reported and the "that's 40 ticks there - up to you how you manage it" - then I decided that it was probably a very well orchestrated illusion. So - I did the other digging and found stuff that made me run away. Note also that what I didn't mention earlier is that they were also getting fills where very few contracts traded. Still - they are calling levels way in advance and so could be 1st in the queue.

Still - this is just one mans findings. There could be someone out there that is trading this live and making heaps of cash. I suspect that people that subscribe will be initially impressed by the illusion and see the actual results don't line up because of fees, fills & slippage.

Since this thread started the vendor has updated the site to say the live calls are simulation only. So - one of their team, a guy who could trade the CL live with this method, is spending his time NOT trading and making calls for this room. Does that really make sense?

My suspicion is this is an illusion. I think people should try for themselves though.

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mmtrader4,

I have been wondering the same thing. My site is nearly ready for business. I am waiting to see how long it takes for this vender to start smacking me around too.

RJay

hmmm... I checked out your site and you are selling indicators... not sure how that qualifies you as an educator and trading room provider which is what this thread is arguing about.

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LOL @ this thread.

I understand that people don't like me. That's fine. Still - I did take a trial and these are my experiences. This thread isn't about me - but about this service.

I have to admit when I took the trial, I WAS impressed with the results. At that point, I was a prospective client - more than anything, I was just interested in how this was done. I've seen many trading rooms and most I'll switch off after 10 minutes. This one I stayed with for 4 days.

These guys can call good trades well in advance. Still - I have a friend who's a magician and some of the stuff he does amazes me too. So - I sat down and wrote down all the trades. With a 10:5 r:r, any statistician will tell you that a dartboard throw will get you 66% winners. When I took this into account & the fact slippage wasn't being reported and the "that's 40 ticks there - up to you how you manage it" - then I decided that it was probably a very well orchestrated illusion. So - I did the other digging and found stuff that made me run away. Note also that what I didn't mention earlier is that they were also getting fills where very few contracts traded. Still - they are calling levels way in advance and so could be 1st in the queue.

Still - this is just one mans findings. There could be someone out there that is trading this live and making heaps of cash. I suspect that people that subscribe will be initially impressed by the illusion and see the actual results don't line up because of fees, fills & slippage.

Since this thread started the vendor has updated the site to say the live calls are simulation only. So - one of their team, a guy who could trade the CL live with this method, is spending his time NOT trading and making calls for this room. Does that really make sense?

My suspicion is this is an illusion. I think people should try for themselves though.

D Toast,

This is not about liking anybody. I don't know you and you don't know me and if you did you'd see I am about as reasonable and respectful as one can be here. I am sorry you believe I don't "like" you or I attacked you, I just questioned why you as a vendor would jump on them? So I will cease, (out of respect to Big Mike's credibility and to you) to not make this a pi**ing match. I will say this, I have spoken personally with the moderators of the Trade Precision room, probably know more about them than I need to know yet if they passed me on the street I would not know it was them! So you'd say (I would) how do I know they are telling the truth? Well, in my professional life I have been taught to recognize signs and what questions to ask which I care to not get into here; but definite clues - we'll leave it at that, OK.

As far as their room, they have NEVER claimed it is the holy grail. They accept and do not make excuses for losses - at least not in the time I've been there (still am) perhaps when you trialed it was different. Last week EG was a rough Thursday for them, and no excuses by them, but it was all made back and more on Friday. No methodology is perfect.

As far as trading live money - they charge $69/mo for the room and with only about 40 people that isn't a great source of income! The VIDEOS are on SIM because of the CFTC RULE 4.41 As you know being a vendor nobody can guarantee results because as a vendor yourself, once you turn your wares over to a prospective trader he/she can take the BEST system and fail miserably. So do they trade live money? I'll leave it up to you to decide. I've trialed MANY rooms searching for that one special indicator or grail and I've not seen many (if any) live DOMS on the screen for all to see.

The fact they offer a true 5 day trial without cost and don't promote their training while in the room, unless one asks about it, should be fair enough for one to decide if they like it or not . . . if not move on. As you did. Simple.

Lastly re: the whois, I ran a whois and everything checked out, addresses, phone numbers, etc. So let's just leave it with the following and then I am done:
I am personally happy with them as are others in the room, no vendor is perfect regardless of what they are selling . . . this is a tough business. Every trader needs to accept that! There are NO shortcuts.

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Lastly re: the whois, I ran a whois and everything checked out, addresses, phone numbers, etc. So let's just leave it with the following and then I am done:
I am personally happy with them as are others in the room, no vendor is perfect regardless of what they are selling . . . this is a tough business. Every trader needs to accept that! There are NO shortcuts.

I personally dont care much for the vendor, so my comment has more to to with the discussion of one vendor beating on another and the defense of a "room participant"...

I would normally argue back any questions presented by an individual with facts... as such I am curious.. DT posted results for the research he did on the vendor... you are stating to have done the same level of research, would you care to share the actual results (screenshots, etc.) supporting your argument with us?

In reality, one can modify any records or even search results, so to those reading this thread with the purpose of evaluating the vendor, please keep that in mind. Any record can be altered.

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The search is easy enough to do - now the registration is in Washington.



I guess they left Chicago already.

In terms of the CTFC regs - they do NOT stop you from posting live trades. So - any member of that room can come here and post their results without fear of the CTFC.

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Thanks for your updated whois. Having designed websites for many years it is not uncommon for businesses to change web providers and corresponding whois info.

As I stated in my last correspondence "So I will cease, (out of respect to Big Mike's credibility and to you)" Apparently you have missed that part. So you choose to carry on the battle . . . enjoy yourself.

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Ok, so I took the 5 day trial the past week. They are honest with their calls, the levels are being displayed in the room well in advance.

It's hard to pass a fair judgement after just 5 days, you'd have to spend more time in the room as there weren't that many levels called out.

So far, I'm not blown away and will stick to my own stuff which worked a lot better than their levels last week.

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