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That is not really accurate. The site owner (ie: sam028) will provide you with an initial password to your box. It is a password for the Administrator account in Windows.

You then login to Windows, and change the password to something only you know. You can also then check the Users/Groups on the box to confirm there are no additional accounts. You can also check Services and Firewall to confirm there are no back doors. All of this goes hand in hand with using a reputable vendor.

Sam028 would not have access to your system. Technically speaking, if someone had physical access to the server at the datacenter, then there are brute force / password recovery tools to break in without the Windows administrator password. In that case, you could use an Encrypted File System - but if you are this paranoid, then you have a major problem no matter what you do really.

Short answer, sam028 does not have access to any of your stuff or files unless you don't change the password (which would be stupid on your part), or unless you specifically give him the new administrator password (ie: you need his assistance with something).

Mike

Thanks Mike - I won't worry about bruteforce physical access thing. If you are correct that once I change the admin password and make sure there are no more accounts on the box, then Sam028 has no access. Then it is great and it addresses my concern. It will be great if Sam028 can confirm this (Sam if you are reading this).

Let me point to another thread outside of futures.io (formerly BMT) (hopefully it is ok) that has caused me to wonder on this aspect of the security. The writer below runs a VPS firm. He clearly suggests that staff at the firm have a "support" password. He explains in detail about the processes that they typically have at VPS firm to ensure some staff doesn't steal IP from the virtual machine. However, he nowhere mentions that something as simple as just changing the admin password will render it impossible for VPS company staff to access the VM. So, it appears from reading his comments, that even after changing admin passwords to your VPS, admins retain access to it through some support password. If my understanding is wrong on this aspect, I will be happier.


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Security issues when using a VPS to trade? - MQL4 forum
BarrySDCA 2012.05.31 06:52
I can't speak for all hosting companies but...

Not likely to go unnoticed. When employees access servers it is in response to either a support ticket or abuse. There is no one magic password to login to every subscriber's server. Everyone is different. And so the tech would need to access the subscribers account record (usually subsequent to a support ticket) to obtain the support password and from there enter the VM. It's all logged and reviewed with other security related reports - and any abnormality would easily stick out like a sore thumb. The support password is unique to each VM and changes randomly.

All our employees go through thorough background checks even the coders that never actually login to a subscriber's server. There are even measures in place to prevent say a kidnapping and subsequent data breach.

This kind of stuff is very serious here.


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Let me point to another thread outside of futures.io (formerly BMT) (hopefully it is ok) that has caused me to wonder on this aspect of the security. The writer below runs a VPS firm. He clearly suggests that staff at the firm have a "support" password. He explains in detail about the processes that they typically have at VPS firm to ensure some staff doesn't steal IP from the virtual machine. However, he nowhere mentions that something as simple as just changing the admin password will render it impossible for VPS company staff to access the VM. So, it appears from reading his comments, that even after changing admin passwords to your VPS, admins retain access to it through some support password. If my understanding is wrong on this aspect, I will be happier.

That is just that company insisting on having a backdoor. I wouldn't use such a company. No one has access to my boxes but me, and I am sure @sam028 is the same way.

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I can confirm that I'm asking each new user, when he begins its one week trial, to change this password.
I also mention in the introduction email that we are not doing backups of our users VPS, so we can't have access to their data. A small tool is installed on our VPS to block each IP trying to log in more than 3 times with a wrong password.
When a guy is losing its Administrator password (like someone in this forum who decided to change its password after a long party with a lot of alcohol it seems ), we usually re-install a new VPS.
So the support do not have our customers password, and if they want us to take a look at their VPS, they change the password and we check what we have to check. It can be done with the customer seeing what we're doing, but most of the time I do this alone, with their approval. It's also because they know me a bit, enough to trust me.
In my case, I'm also selecting my customers: I have to trust them (no pirated software, IRC servers, game server, torrents download, ... on the VPS, it's made for trading), so they should trust me a bit too.
I won't go into details, but it should be possible to crack a VPS Admin password, when you're admin of the physical server. Not easy and long, but possible.

But let's see what happen, if someone have access to, let's say 200 systems.
What next?
Use all these systems?
Backtest and opimize them one by one?
What are the good parameters/instruments?
Ready to risk real money with someone else ideas, risk tolerance and start capital?
Nobody will do that, unless being really insane.

Just for the story, on of my customer asked some help and advice for his strategy, which was running in simulation on a VPS. After some time we talked a bit, I help him to check his results (which were very good), and to thank me he offered me to use his strategy myself, for my own accounts. I told him that I won't use it, because the contract traded was too big for me, it was not my idea so I'll never 100% trust it, and for few other logical reasons.
If a system thief can think a bit, he'll do the same, that's why I don't think it's so critical to have a strategy/system stolen, if it happens. The real risk is someone connecting on your account, and blow it for fun, or trying to steal the money's account, but with only an access to the machine, it's impossible (if you have to give, like for IB, your birth date, your first pet name, and a ton of personal questions).

BTW, I'm not sure to understand why the other VPS company needs to have an access, but I don't think we have the same kind of users, as it seems to be more Forex/MT4 oriented (small accounts, young guys who wants some fun an emotions losing $0.002 ), and they accept everybody.
I don't think I have a single MT4 customer, but mostly futures/stocks/options traders, and some small hedge funds.

And last word (I didn't expect to be so loooong....), if you're really paranoid with a server, just unplug the power cord and the ethernet cable .


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Thanks Mike - I won't worry about bruteforce physical access thing. If you are correct that once I change the admin password and make sure there are no more accounts on the box, then Sam028 has no access. Then it is great and it addresses my concern. It will be great if Sam028 can confirm this (Sam if you are reading this).

Let me point to another thread outside of futures.io (formerly BMT) (hopefully it is ok) that has caused me to wonder on this aspect of the security. The writer below runs a VPS firm. He clearly suggests that staff at the firm have a "support" password. He explains in detail about the processes that they typically have at VPS firm to ensure some staff doesn't steal IP from the virtual machine. However, he nowhere mentions that something as simple as just changing the admin password will render it impossible for VPS company staff to access the VM. So, it appears from reading his comments, that even after changing admin passwords to your VPS, admins retain access to it through some support password. If my understanding is wrong on this aspect, I will be happier.


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I can confirm that I'm asking each new user, when he begins its one week trial, to change this password.
I also mention in the introduction email that we are not doing backups of our users VPS, so we can't have access to their data. A small tool is installed on our VPS to block each IP trying to log in more than 3 times with a wrong password.

Thanks Sam for this thoughtful response. I'm not yet in the market for a VPS, but you almost already sold me one.

On a more serious note, would it be possible to limit the VPS log-ins to a certain range of IP Addresses? For example, wouldn't it be safer for your own VPS if you exclude all non-French visitors from accessing the VPS in the first place? Or would this give a false sense of security, since a hacker can than use a French pc to attack you?

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Thanks Sam for this thoughtful response. I'm not yet in the market for a VPS, but you almost already sold me one.

On a more serious note, would it be possible to limit the VPS log-ins to a certain range of IP Addresses? For example, wouldn't it be safer for your own VPS if you exclude all non-French visitors from accessing the VPS in the first place? Or would this give a false sense of security, since a hacker can than use a French pc to attack you?

You can allow the connection to only some specific IP ranges, so if you have the IP range of a single country, that's is possible (in theory). But these IP geo-location stuff is not 100% reliable.
The best solution is, IMHO, to let your VPS act as VPN server, and then connect to your VPS using your client VPN network interface to log in.
I started to write what's in place to avoid hacking, but finally I won't give too much details for security purposes.

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@artemiso can you create a NinjaTrader script to visually demonstrate the latency between different locations when it comes to market order execution?

Perhaps outputting to excel CSV so data can be plotted?

I would like to run from various servers and share the data

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@artemiso, you there? (see above post)

Mike

Due to time constraints, please do not PM me if your question can be resolved or answered on the forum.

Need help?
1) Stop changing things. No new indicators, charts, or methods. Be consistent with what is in front of you first.
2) Start a journal and post to it daily with the trades you made to show your strengths and weaknesses.
3) Set goals for yourself to reach daily. Make them about how you trade, not how much money you make.
4) Accept responsibility for your actions. Stop looking elsewhere to explain away poor performance.
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Hey,

I'm sorry but it would be a project of undertaking beyond my time and means. I think it's better to be honest about this than promise anything and fail to deliver. Thanks for your appreciation.

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I can confirm that I'm asking each new user, when he begins its one week trial, to change this password.

Sam, I am having some issues related to loss of information in high data times, the CL EIA report, for example. I have been talking to my ISP about bumping up my service, but already run at 20mbps service and receiving about 16mbps on a test to Chicago or New York from Orlando. Pingtest shows me to be about 70-80 ms.

Would running on a VPS help me get better resuts than I am getting now? I just leaned about it this morning, and your thread here was the first thing I saw that made some sense to me. I saw the "free trial" mentioned and am curious. Thanks.

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Sam, I am having some issues related to loss of information in high data times, the CL EIA report, for example. I have been talking to my ISP about bumping up my service, but already run at 20mbps service and receiving about 16mbps on a test to Chicago or New York from Orlando. Pingtest shows me to be about 70-80 ms.

Would running on a VPS help me get better resuts than I am getting now? I just leaned about it this morning, and your thread here was the first thing I saw that made some sense to me. I saw the "free trial" mentioned and am curious. Thanks.

Your problem is maybe not the bandwidth itself, but the latency and the quality of your data feed provider.
16 mb/s is more than enough for market data burst.

Send me a PM if you want to try a VPS, or use the contact page on my (ugly) web site, futures.io (formerly BMT) fellows are always welcome .

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