Horst's Trades - Trading Journals | futures io social day trading
futures io futures trading


Horst's Trades
Updated: Views / Replies:52,661 / 326
Created: by er2wizard Attachments:8

Welcome to futures io.

(If you already have an account, login at the top of the page)

futures io is the largest futures trading community on the planet, with over 90,000 members. At futures io, our goal has always been and always will be to create a friendly, positive, forward-thinking community where members can openly share and discuss everything the world of trading has to offer. The community is one of the friendliest you will find on any subject, with members going out of their way to help others. Some of the primary differences between futures io and other trading sites revolve around the standards of our community. Those standards include a code of conduct for our members, as well as extremely high standards that govern which partners we do business with, and which products or services we recommend to our members.

At futures io, our focus is on quality education. No hype, gimmicks, or secret sauce. The truth is: trading is hard. To succeed, you need to surround yourself with the right support system, educational content, and trading mentors Ė all of which you can find on futures io, utilizing our social trading environment.

With futures io, you can find honest trading reviews on brokers, trading rooms, indicator packages, trading strategies, and much more. Our trading review process is highly moderated to ensure that only genuine users are allowed, so you donít need to worry about fake reviews.

We are fundamentally different than most other trading sites:
  • We are here to help. Just let us know what you need.
  • We work extremely hard to keep things positive in our community.
  • We do not tolerate rude behavior, trolling, or vendors advertising in posts.
  • We firmly believe in and encourage sharing. The holy grail is within you, we can help you find it.
  • We expect our members to participate and become a part of the community. Help yourself by helping others.

You'll need to register in order to view the content of the threads and start contributing to our community.  It's free and simple.

-- Big Mike, Site Administrator

Closed Thread
 8  
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 

Horst's Trades

  #241 (permalink)
Elite Member
Honolulu, Hawaii
 
Futures Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker/Data: ATC/TT, AMP/Zen-Fire, AMP/CQG
Favorite Futures: TF
 
bluemele's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,547 since Jun 2010
Thanks: 3,806 given, 2,826 received


Family Trader View Post
I have given some time and thought as how to respond to your well written post. My beachcomber friend has asked I refrain from using any emotions and simply state the facts. I will do just that.

Unfortunately, the content of your posting is not accurate .

I did not say the system was 'croc'....I suggested that using the reference of the system being "proprietary" is a 'croc'...could have used a better phrase though...

However, the reference to its "proprietary" nature had me curious. This is a line I have heard from vendors and 'educators' who are trying to sell a product.This is not something that you hear from educated traders who genuinely try to share information.

Cash management issues are VERY important to me as it took a long time for me to wake up in relation to being adequately funded to trade and survive. Therefore, I wanted to know how a good trader manages their trades and leverage.,etc.

Horst will not provide and for good reason and I will get to that later.

In the meantime, I have done some due diligence in relation to the student/promoter Horst Bauer.

On another forum Horst's profile indicated he is a vendor...'coach/trainer'....

Videos...

All the videos are directed to You Tube; not something that could be like a screen cast where it is private and can be displayed for futures.io (formerly BMT) exclusively.

So there is an interest on the "clicking side"....the more clicks on videos, the more popularity on You tube, more viewers, etc ...equate to promotion of a product.

In addition , there is another You Tube channel...http://www.you tube.com/user/NewFuturesTrading. The same intro music, same charts, same chart colors,same chart set ups etc

Precisely the same as Horst is using.

Horst's video actually appears on the New Futures site...both loaded up from the same source to different channels.

All the students are wunderkind ,all making profits..no losses...

The testimonials are hilarious on the New Futures Trading site where Horst was so excited he posted twice and stated that if he could, he "would name his first born after Henry"!!

There are a number of posts on other forums where Horst is promoting the New Futures Trading but under the name of Third Realm Institute....same individual, Henry Roche running both.

Third Realm in German translation is likely to upset some people...

References... http:// www.onlinetradersforum.com/showpost.php?p=543469&postcount=1

http://forex-scam.com/trading-systems/71666-third-realm-institute.html

Third Realm Institute


It is important that we undertake some due diligence when selecting vendors and brokers.

If I have offended anyone I would offer my apologies, but in lieu of the facts offered, may be we all ought to use a little more due diligence.

In conclusion, I will offer my unsolicited opinion that the Horst Trading journal is nothing but a blatant opportunity to promote the 'education services' of NewFutures Trading.


Trader


Take aim...fire!!!

Apologies for all the links not being available...I am not a techie, however will attempt straighten out the problem...in the meantime I can say the referred to are all available on Google...under NFT or Third Realm

Gosh. You nailed it! haha....

Horst is a student of Henry Roche (by the way this has all been said before, but you didn't read the previous thread) and he was working as a student teacher (not really though) for Henry. Mainly he has been doing videos (his own as well as packing up other students to put up online).

It was called Masters Palace. Then Third Realm (hence not a good name), then New Futures. It is not proprietary at all and I don't know why he says that. I think guidelines are really what they are selling but like someone else pointed out if you are an experienced trader then you need not apply unless you feel you need this method to be profitable etc.. (There is more to what they teach than just click here, click there. A lot about the emotional game etc..)

Horst feels immense loyalty to Henry as Henry kept him on the road less traveled forcefully until Horst made his breakthrough almost 2 years ago. Before that he wasn't profitable (all this is from our skype conversations).

Horst feels passionate about helping Henry build his student base and believes in this system. Henry is a pretty good trader and a profitable one in my opinion. What Henry's true passion is though is something of wanting to be an ICON which is more about worship than trading in my opinion. If you could trade and take out 3K to 10K per day out of the market consistently, then would you have the same reference about money scarcity etc..

We figured he would get a lot of 'flak' but you can't prove that he is 'cheating' etc.. Until you can, you can only surmise...

I love this forum, it is full of good guys and hopefully great traders some day, but if you notice one thing is that it lacks consistently profitable traders. The reason in my opinion, because if you can pull that much money out of the market day in day out, then why would you spend your time on a forum? You wouldn't. I do agree though that his results are amazing.

The following 2 users say Thank You to bluemele for this post:
 
  #242 (permalink)
Elite Member
Honolulu, Hawaii
 
Futures Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker/Data: ATC/TT, AMP/Zen-Fire, AMP/CQG
Favorite Futures: TF
 
bluemele's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,547 since Jun 2010
Thanks: 3,806 given, 2,826 received


Private Banker View Post
Thanks! I use the MACD as well and have been using it from day 1. I agree, it's an excellent tool to use provided you're using it correctly. The added BB's are somewhat newer I guess but look very interesting and have been using them since Fat Tails brought his version on board. From reading my previous post here, I want to make it a point that I wasn't questioning anyone's methods. I think using MACD BB's combined with Fib levels can certainly work very well. But nothing is perfect which prompted me to learn more about the trading results with there being no losses. Maybe I missed one or something. I respect everyone's trading methods and appreciate seeing how they utilize different tools successfully.

I just think if you're going to post monthly gains, why not be more analytical about it providing trading stats such as points gained per trade, average winners vs. losers, max draw down vs. max gain, etc. I think it would also be helpful to provide some sort of trade blotter which includes time stamps, order ID's, etc. I'm sure all of those items can be faked but it would be one hell of a process to go through mocking it all up but who knows with technology these days. I would assume that if no further evidence can be presented, we will remain skeptical on the results (not the method of course).

Cheers,
PB

I agree, that is a great idea! I think people get a bit over-excited about the $ value because the people on the forum think that is a lot of money. Heck, I do these days!

If you take a poll, you will find most people who are posting on this forum have never made 80K per month over and over again. A few have, but VERY few, so most people's outlook on this $ amount is significant.

82 points is not a big deal and he did have lots of losses in-between, but he would just stick with it and keep trading until he got his pivot and worked himself out of a hole.

The following 2 users say Thank You to bluemele for this post:
 
  #243 (permalink)
Market Wizard
Columbus, OH
 
Futures Experience: None
Platform: NT 8, TOS
Favorite Futures: ES
 
Silvester17's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,332 since Aug 2009
Thanks: 4,579 given, 10,313 received



bluemele View Post
Gosh. You nailed it! haha....

Horst is a student of Henry Roche (by the way this has all been said before, but you didn't read the previous thread) and he was working as a student teacher (not really though) for Henry. Mainly he has been doing videos (his own as well as packing up other students to put up online).

It was called Masters Palace. Then Third Realm (hence not a good name), then New Futures. It is not proprietary at all and I don't know why he says that. I think guidelines are really what they are selling but like someone else pointed out if you are an experienced trader then you need not apply unless you feel you need this method to be profitable etc.. (There is more to what they teach than just click here, click there. A lot about the emotional game etc..)

Horst feels immense loyalty to Henry as Henry kept him on the road less traveled forcefully until Horst made his breakthrough almost 2 years ago. Before that he wasn't profitable (all this is from our skype conversations).

Horst feels passionate about helping Henry build his student base and believes in this system. Henry is a pretty good trader and a profitable one in my opinion. What Henry's true passion is though is something of wanting to be an ICON which is more about worship than trading in my opinion. If you could trade and take out 3K to 10K per day out of the market consistently, then would you have the same reference about money scarcity etc..

We figured he would get a lot of 'flak' but you can't prove that he is 'cheating' etc.. Until you can, you can only surmise...

I love this forum, it is full of good guys and hopefully great traders some day, but if you notice one thing is that it lacks consistently profitable traders. The reason in my opinion, because if you can pull that much money out of the market day in day out, then why would you spend your time on a forum? You wouldn't. I do agree though that his results are amazing.

I have to admit, I never really payed much attention to the videos. I was more just interested in those chart buttons.

imo 82k doesn't mean much. I would need to know how many contracts, how many trades etc. but one thing you should not forget, the markets always change, the tools always change. with other words, everyday you can learn something new. that should be enough reasons why to spend time on a forum, like this I should mention.

the other thing I don't agree is, it doesn't matter if the 82k is real or not. at least I couldn't care less. the problem is here:

https://futures.io/vendors-commercial-product-reviews/1923-advertising-not-allowed.html

and by posting videos and writing reports on the owners webpage .... just makes me believe he's a bit more than just a student.

The following 3 users say Thank You to Silvester17 for this post:
 
  #244 (permalink)
Elite Member
Palm Beach County
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: OEC about to change to Ninja
Favorite Futures: ES ,EUR/USD
 
Posts: 179 since Feb 2011
Thanks: 66 given, 89 received


bluemele View Post
Gosh. You nailed it! haha....

Horst is a student of Henry Roche (by the way this has all been said before, but you didn't read the previous thread) and he was working as a student teacher (not really though) for Henry. Mainly he has been doing videos (his own as well as packing up other students to put up online).

It was called Masters Palace. Then Third Realm (hence not a good name), then New Futures. It is not proprietary at all and I don't know why he says that. I think guidelines are really what they are selling but like someone else pointed out if you are an experienced trader then you need not apply unless you feel you need this method to be profitable etc.. (There is more to what they teach than just click here, click there. A lot about the emotional game etc..)

Horst feels immense loyalty to Henry as Henry kept him on the road less traveled forcefully until Horst made his breakthrough almost 2 years ago. Before that he wasn't profitable (all this is from our skype conversations).

Horst feels passionate about helping Henry build his student base and believes in this system. Henry is a pretty good trader and a profitable one in my opinion. What Henry's true passion is though is something of wanting to be an ICON which is more about worship than trading in my opinion. If you could trade and take out 3K to 10K per day out of the market consistently, then would you have the same reference about money scarcity etc..

We figured he would get a lot of 'flak' but you can't prove that he is 'cheating' etc.. Until you can, you can only surmise...

I love this forum, it is full of good guys and hopefully great traders some day, but if you notice one thing is that it lacks consistently profitable traders. The reason in my opinion, because if you can pull that much money out of the market day in day out, then why would you spend your time on a forum? You wouldn't. I do agree though that his results are amazing.

Well that was very condescending of you , Gil...mien Freund.

Yes, I have seen all your footprints ,too...still living in Hawaii?

"we figured he would get a lot of flak"..who is 'we'?

Are you responding as Horst's spokesman...speaking of Horst....?

trader

The following user says Thank You to Family Trader for this post:
 
  #245 (permalink)
Elite Member
USA
 
Futures Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader, Tradestation, Win98
Favorite Futures: 6E, ES, TF
 
Posts: 33 since Feb 2011
Thanks: 43 given, 27 received

Silvester

Check out my generic buttons that I modified from another indicator. Last post on this link https://futures.io/elite-circle/7607-push-buttons-ninjatrader-7-a-5.html

Hope it helps.

The following 3 users say Thank You to RosDaBoss for this post:
 
  #246 (permalink)
Market Wizard
Columbus, OH
 
Futures Experience: None
Platform: NT 8, TOS
Favorite Futures: ES
 
Silvester17's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,332 since Aug 2009
Thanks: 4,579 given, 10,313 received


RosDaBoss View Post
Silvester

Check out my generic buttons that I modified from another indicator. Last post on this link https://futures.io/elite-circle/7607-push-buttons-ninjatrader-7-a-5.html

Hope it helps.

thank you very much. now this is a very useful post.

 
  #247 (permalink)
Elite Member
Honolulu, Hawaii
 
Futures Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker/Data: ATC/TT, AMP/Zen-Fire, AMP/CQG
Favorite Futures: TF
 
bluemele's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,547 since Jun 2010
Thanks: 3,806 given, 2,826 received


Family Trader View Post
Well that was very condescending of you , Gil...mien Freund.

Yes, I have seen all your footprints ,too...still living in Hawaii?

"we figured he would get a lot of flak"..who is 'we'?

Are you responding as Horst's spokesman...speaking of Horst....?

trader

I am sorry you feel condescended upon. I have a feeling you are a sensitive soul and I apologize for the indifference I have bestowed upon you. Honestly, I meant no ill will towards any of you!

Yes, and google does work. Maybe investigative journalist is a natural calling for you. haha...

WE = Gil & Horst. Friends, Colleagues, Fellow Traders, Fellow Human Beings, Fellow New Futures Traders (technique) etc....

We | Define We at Dictionary.com

Yes, Horst started paying me 1 penny per hour to assist him w/ public relations. haha.... WE are conspiring to drain you of all your money. Did you check your brokerage account today yet??? MOOOOOHHHHHAAAAHHAAAAAHHAAAA!!!

We are out to get you. Whenever you see a dark shadow in your path, that is us.... haha....

Ok, now back to studying.... You guys are fun to play with.

 
  #248 (permalink)
Just starting out...
Scottsdale
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: Tradestation
Favorite Futures: TF
 
Posts: 6 since Jan 2010
Thanks: 0 given, 10 received

Horst,
Thank you for you videos. I am grateful for your efforts and your blessings to this forum. Please continue.

To all others,
This journal is for Horst. Please let him post in peace, and let this journal go back to being a journal. If you want to do what he does, then do what he had to do to get there: he spent time understanding himself , then he spent time understanding and falling in love with the indicators and charts in front of him. That is the journey that Master Traders take. It is always about you and your experience with your indicators. When your understanding of yourself is unified with your understanding and blessings of your indicators, profits are as easy and stress-free as Horst shows us.

Or, you can continue to raise your flag and cry foul about him not sharing the details of his secret sauce (shhhh, it's between his ears). Which brings more awareness and popularity to the journal, and thus to his mentor's site (of which Others have mentioned the name more times than he has). Your actions may be bringing more traffic to the journal than the inspirational videos are by themselves. Your best defense at this point is none, which would allow this journal to continue on the merits of Horst alone.

Temet Nosce

The following 4 users say Thank You to PepperPhd for this post:
 
  #249 (permalink)
Just starting out...
IL, US
 
Futures Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NT, TS
Favorite Futures: TF 6E
 
Posts: 2 since Apr 2011
Thanks: 0 given, 1 received

The Secret to Success

I have always said, one looks onto others, through the prism of their own personality. What you think about others, is a pure reflection of who you are. Period.

What you focus on, you attract that in your life. Think about that.
Does it serve you to focus on dishonesty? You attract even the things that you don't like, especially if you put emotions in them.

How about focusing and believing, or better said knowing, that there are good people around us, focus on truth, peace, love, success, abundance.

Haven't you enjoyed Horst mastery? Many have, as I see over 9000 views. Have you felt the peace in his trading? Does his voice sound nervous or angry? How many times have you heard him laugh when he gets kicked out of a trade. Does he always follow his technicals, and his trading time? After one hour of watching live charts, brain loses sharpness Ė Period.
Have you felt the positive energy that he carries with him, you can feel it in his voice?
Have you noticed how he dances with the market, he breathes with the market as One.
He has learned how to feel the market pulse and not to step on his toes.
Yes, I believe it is possible. Have you ever meditated before opening the charts, and gave gratitude after closing them after the usual trading time.
How many times your jaw has dropped after re-watching his videos. I know mine has, but then and there I choose to admire the videos, as I know that one Can trade with such an ease. I want to trade like that, so I see myself as doing that.
Horst posts are explaining that he made breakthrough in his trading, by working on himself , his mindset, and doing months of historicals only, teaching his subconscious mind what setups are best to take. It is not about the indicators, as it has been said many times. It is about the frame of mind.

Do you see yourself, and our attitude during your trading time, in front of your charts, similar to what Horst is doing?
If your attitude is much different, than don't look for holy grail, or more indicators, or blaming the previous trading company or previous coach, or someone like Horst that is sharing his knowledge, as it helps him and you to become a better trader. Teaching others in any shape or form, is a key for longetivity in trading. It keeps you grounded and keeps you stay with your technicals. Horst invested few years of his life, and some good cash to learn the most profitable business in the world. He stuck to his indicators, and to the teaching that he found valuable and didnít give up.
After few years of hard work, his knowledge is overflowing now, therefore he is ready to share it with others.
If you have only few butterflies under your hat, donít lift it yet, as you will lose them.
From his posts, I have only seen positive words, and encouragement for others.
Do you really think that his success is in the indicators, or the platform he uses, or the cool buttons on the side. No, it is inside of him.

Admire the good things you see in others, that would be a great change to 90% of this board. Pointing fingers is the easiest. Next time you point a finger, do it in front of a mirror.

I see successful people as my inspiration. I want to be like them, I will be like them, I already am...
Horst wisdom can be understood only by the open minded people. Definitely not by the ones that love the words, daily average, profit loss ratio, fake, legitimate, deceive...lots of energy wasted there.
Instead invest your energy, to understand your own indicators,(the less the better), what setups work the best, which timeframes to focus on, (the less- the better). Take snapshots of historical charts, of the best entries and exits, keep replaying them over and over again...That is only 20% of the work. The rest is to learn how smile in every situation, to love, give, admire, feel gratitude at all times, find peace with yourself and let it goÖ

The following 3 users say Thank You to Futures Spirit for this post:
 
  #250 (permalink)
Elite Member
Kent, England
 
Futures Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Sierra
Broker/Data: Infinity
Favorite Futures: Oil
 
Mickey Caine's Avatar
 
Posts: 196 since Jul 2009
Thanks: 1,607 given, 347 received


Hey Man (sorry, Futures Spirit)

Love your post, good effort for your first one. It really did give me a good smile on a Saturday morning.

I am asking myself some very tough questions as I write this. One being, should I be more in touch with my aura. Because I must be missing something in my life, as, when watching the much referred to videos, my jaw, to date, has not yet dropped.

Furthermore I am ashamed to admit that I am not in tune with all the possitive vibes that Mr Horst is transmitting through the medium of sound. I somehow have also contrived to miss his twinkle toed dance though the charts and even failed to notice his breathing the thing in whilst simultaneously feeling it's pulse.

I have, as you suggested been looking in my many hats for butterflies but alas they seem to have flown away. Although in trurth it is a bit cold for them here.

Great to hear that Mr Horsts knowledge is now overflowing!! A lucky man indeed.

You have inspired me with your words. I am now off to sit cross legged in a remote field (alas no mountains round here) Smoke a funny fag (an English expression) and listen to Flowers in the Rain (great song) whislt watching Mr Horst dancing on my laptop.

YouTube - Move - Flowers in the rain

Don't be offened just chill man. I'm just in a frivilous mood first thing in the morning

Best wishes

PS should you not move to Cali Fon I A


Last edited by Mickey Caine; April 2nd, 2011 at 06:36 AM.
The following 2 users say Thank You to Mickey Caine for this post:

Closed Thread



futures io > > > Horst's Trades

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



Upcoming Webinars and Events (4:30PM ET unless noted)

Jigsaw Trading: TBA

Elite only

FuturesTrader71: TBA

Elite only

NinjaTrader: TBA

Jan 18

RandBots: TBA

Jan 23

GFF Brokers & CME Group: Futures & Bitcoin

Elite only

Adam Grimes: TBA

Elite only

Ran Aroussi: TBA

Elite only
     

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How to Video your Trades? rtrade Traders Hideout 9 July 18th, 2011 07:16 AM
My TF Trades westgawolf Elite Trading Journals 13 July 6th, 2011 03:02 PM
Recording your trades Tiger45 The Elite Circle 16 March 28th, 2011 10:30 AM
Failed Trades philhm The Elite Circle 9 August 17th, 2010 05:42 PM
Back Your Way Into Better Trades hondo69 Traders Hideout 2 November 4th, 2009 04:30 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:33 AM.

Copyright © 2017 by futures io, s.a., Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama, +507 833-9432, info@futures.io
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice.
There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
no new posts
Page generated 2017-12-15 in 0.20 seconds with 20 queries on phoenix via your IP 107.20.115.174