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Updated February 17, 2021
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In this journal I will trade the future FESX (ESTX50 index / Euro Stoxx50).
The strategy is based on the 9:00-9:30 bar (the initial balance = IB).
Several backtests show a positive result, but there are many other things that can be taken into consideration to improve the results. During time I hope to be able to improve it. Any suggestion or input is appreciated. If somebody has a list of for instance day types or gaps on the FESX, that would be awesome.
The trade starts at 9:30am CET if:
a> IB is long, open-close min. 8 points with an SL of 4 points, on Wed/Thu/Fri
b> IB is short, open-close min. 6 points with an SL of 9 points, on Mon/Tue/Wed/Fri
The trade ends at 10:30am CET or when it hits SL.
Special thanks and credits to big inspiration @GFIs1 and to @Reettrader who brought up this idea.
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Deetee
In this journal I will trade the future FESX (ESTX50 index / Euro Stoxx50).
The strategy is based on the 9:00-9:30 bar (the
initial balance = IB).
Several backtests show a positive result, but there are many other things that can be taken into consideration to improve the results. During time I hope to be able to improve it. Any suggestion or input is appreciated. If somebody has a list of for instance day types or gaps on the FESX, that would be awesome.
The trade starts at 9:30am
CET if:
a> IB is long, open-close min. 8
points with an SL of 4 points, on Wed/Thu/Fri
b> IB is short, open-close min. 6 points with an SL of 9 points, on Mon/Tue/Wed/Fri
The trade ends at 10:30am CET of when it hits SL.
Special thanks and credits to big inspiration @
GFIs1 and to @
Reettrader who brought up this idea.
Just wondering why you would pick FESX vs DAX to day trade given DAX has the higher volatility ?
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Godzilla
Just wondering why you would pick FESX vs DAX to day trade given DAX has the higher
volatility ?
Hi Godzilla,
My two reasons are:
1> @GFIs1 has a journal on the DAX based on the IB (since 2012). That's pretty sure unbeatable (for sure not by me)
2> @Reettrader shared with me that he used the IB on the FESX for his trades. I offered to run some backtests on it and he was OK with me starting a journal here about it. In a later stage I also would like to run backtests on other instruments as I'm totally new on FESX. I have mainly traded DAX and NQ.
The higher volatility also comes with higher risk, and the volume on FESX is much higher than FDAX. Two more reasons
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Hi Godzilla,
My two reasons are:
1> @
GFIs1 has a journal on the DAX based on the IB (since 2012). That's pretty sure unbeatable (for sure not by me)
2> @
Reettrader shared with me that he used the IB on the FESX for his trades. I offered to run some backtests on it and he was OK with me starting a journal here about it. In a later stage I also would like to run backtests on other instruments as I'm totally new on FESX. I have mainly traded DAX and NQ.
The higher
volatility also comes with higher risk, and the volume on FESX is much higher than FDAX. Two more reasons
Thanks
Ok got it...thanks for the detailed reply.
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Godzilla
Just wondering why you would pick FESX vs DAX to day trade given DAX has the higher
volatility ?
Indeed, as @Deetee said this simplest of systems was born studying the eurostoxx future, so it seems logical to use that to develop it. Also, I like less volatility and thus points if that means less risk (and still some profit).
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Indeed, as @
Deetee said this simplest of systems was born studying the eurostoxx future, so it seems logical to use that to develop it. Also, I like less
volatility and thus
points if that means less risk (and still some profit).
Good point and I suppose everyone's risk tolerance is different. (I wish my risk tolerance was higher)
I've grown used to the crazy volatility of the Hang Seng and feel that even the ES is tame in comparison....now if the FESX had a 1/4 point tick like the ES with the same tick value I'm assuming the volatility would pick up and with the liquidity would be an "amazing" product to trade in the euro timezone.
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Tuesday
IB short 5
points , so no trade
Hi Deetee,
I really look foward to tracking your journal and thank you for sharing. How many ticks are there in 1 point on FESX? I tried a search, but no luck. Thanks in advance
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Hi Deetee,
I really look foward to tracking your journal and thank you for sharing. How many ticks are there in 1 point on FESX? I tried a search, but no luck. Thanks in advance
Thanks for following
FESX: 1 tick per point (10 EUR)
Same index can be trade with other products, but I have no experience with that.
I would suggest not to copy the trades before I can show clear results
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Hi Deetee,
I really look foward to tracking your journal and thank you for sharing. How many ticks are there in 1 point on FESX? I tried a search, but no luck. Thanks in advance
https://www.eurexchange.com/exchange-en/markets/idx/stx/blc/EURO-STOXX-50-Index-Futures-160088
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Wednesday
IB 20
9:30 long
SL4
Result: -4
Cumulative result: -4
I'm aware that a SL of 4 is very low, but at first sight the backtest gave positive results, meaning that after an IB of min. 8 points the price more often continues in the same direction (and there is no need of a larger SL)
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Thursday
IB long 1
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Friday
IB long 9 points
9:30 long
SL 4
Exit 10:30
Result 9 points
Cum. results: 5 points
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Monday
IB short 8 points
9:30 short
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Exit 10:30
Result 2 points
Cum. results: 7 points
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Deetee,
all the best for your FESX-trading, for your journal it would be helpful to see the real entry- and exit prices
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tr8er
Deetee,
all the best for your FESX-trading, for your journal it would be helpful to see the real entry- and exit prices
Thanks. I understand, but it's adding work to the journal. Maybe in the future if it's a success.
For now I'll stick with the IB length and the results. Who wants to see the entry - & exit price can check the price (at 9:30 and 10:30) in their charts
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Tuesday
IB short 11 points
9:30 short 3210
SL 9
Exit 10:30 3197
Result 13 points
Cum. results: 20 points
@tr8er OK, maybe the effort to put prices is little
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Wednesday
IB long 10 points
9:30 long 3232
SL 4
Exit 3228 SL
Result -4 points
Cum. results: 16 points
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Thursday
IB short 1 point
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Friday
IB long 4 points
So no trade
Have a good weekend anyway
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Monday
IB short 3 points
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Tuesday
IB short 11 points
Trade:
9:30 short 3275
SL 9
Exit 10:30
Result x points
Cum. results: xx points
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(Can't edit the Tuesday trade anymore...)
Tuesday result -9 (SL)
Cum. results: 7 points
Wednesday
IB short 4 points
So no trade
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Thursday
IB short 19 points
So unfortunately no trade
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Friday
IB short 4 points
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Monday
IB long 17 points
Trade:
9:30 long 3269
SL 4
Exit SL4
Result -4 points
Cum. results: 3 points
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Tuesday
IB short 8 points
Trade:
9:30 short 3218
SL 9
Exit SL 9
Result -9 points
Cum. results: -6 points
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Wednesday
IB short 29 points
Trade:
9:30 short 3209
SL 9
Exit 10:30 3188
(Max. SL needed for this trade: 6 points)
Result 21 points
Cum. results: 15 points
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Thursday
IB short 21 points
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Friday
IB long 23 points
Trade:
9:30 long 3178
SL 4
Exit 10:30 3191
Result 13 points
Cum. results: 28 points
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Monday
IB long 15 points
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Tuesday
IB short 30 points
Trade:
9:30 short 3081
SL 9
Exit SL 9
Result -9 points
Cum. results: 19 points
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Wednesday
IB short 35 points
Trade:
9:30 short 2973
SL 9
Exit SL 9
Result -9 points
Cum. results: 10 points
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Thursday
IB long 6 points
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Friday
IB long 34 points
Trade:
9:30 long 2943
SL 4
Exit SL
Result -4 points
Cum. results: 6 points
It's obvious, that the simplicity of the strategy needs fine tuning to improve. Just need time to do so...
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Monday
IB short 23 points
Trade:
9:30 short 2949
SL 9
Exit SL
Result -9 points
Cum. results: -3 points
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Monday 19-10-20
IB long 17
points
Trade:
9:30 long 3269
SL 4
Exit SL4
Result -4 points
Cum. results: 3 points
I just see now that, based on this strategy, this trade should not have been taken as the IB was long... My mistake
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Tuesday
IB long 6 points
So no trade
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Wednesday
IB long 32 points
Trade:
9:30 long 3075
SL 4
Exit SL
Result -4 points
Cum. results: -7 points
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Thursday
IB long 1 points
So no trade
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Friday
IB long 9 points
Trade:
9:30 long 3205
SL 4
Exit SL
Result -4 points
Cum. results: -11 points
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Monday 9 Nov.
IB short 1 points
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Tuesday 10 Nov.
IB long 23 points
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Wednesday
IB flat 0 points
So no trade
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Thursday 12 Nov.
IB long 9 points
Trade:
9:30 long 3442
SL 4
Exit SL
Result -4 points
Cum. results: -15 points
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Friday
IB long 12 points
Trade:
9:30 long 3427
SL 4
Exit SL
Result -4 points
Cum. results: -19 points
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Monday
IB short 7 points
Trade:
9:30 short 3458
SL 9
Exit 10:30 3453
Result 5 points
Cum. results: -14 points
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Tuesday
IB long 3 points
So no trade
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Wednesday 18 Nov
IB long 4 points
So no trade
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Thursday 19 Nov.
IB long 10 points
Trade:
9:30 long 3459
SL 4
Exit SL
Result -4 points
Cum. results: -18 points
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Friday 20 Nov.
IB long 15 points
Trade:
9:30 long 3458
SL 4
Exit SL
Result -4 points
Cum. results: -22 points
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This week
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Past 2 weeks:
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Last week:
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In the meantime.....
I have stopped this base strategy for now, but will be back with a more detailed strategy, taking other things into consideration like gaps, prior day OHLC, IB volume and IB length.
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