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My thoughts and strategy as in trying to become a scalp trader!

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ForcefielD
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So you have an admitted failed scalp trade that didn't work out. You then decided to turn it into a swing trade even though the reasoning for entering in the first place (a quick 10 point bounce) has long passed. Just a quick glance at the DAX and I see three days in Dec that had a gap up that still have not been filled! At prices between 10700 and 11200!

- What rationale do you have for staying short this market with your current position?
Main arguments are described below as GAP-UP and FED rate hike, but if I do the technicals I will probably find arguments as well since I will looking for it!
- What are the actual chances that gap ups in a up trending market will be filled (statistics; you must have some evidence to back this up)? The only statistics are written below, but as I learned when I got to know 'fractals' life is a cyclical thing, sure we are allowed to go straight up, but we can only go further if we go a bit down before going up again.
- What 'time' horizon are you speaking of for this to take place?
Obviously when the FED is going to hike and chances were raised this month.
- How far are you willing for prices to continue going against you?
I have reasoned a lot while I was in this bad trade and for some reason I kept thinking about... a weekly profit. Which is dynamic in terms of points, but isn't in terms of time. I am thinking about putting in 1 week as a maximum loss, which depends on how much I made in that week before a trade goes bad.
- Are you going to try to manage and scale your position to work your way out? If so, how?
A good question, what I come up with is, because of the fact I trade smaller contracts now. I can average my trade to better price levels. Right now, I am able to put in 3 contracts of 50 cents, which give me some room if things go bad! My target still is 10 points. As I ultimately won't be able to put in more than 1 contract because my robot will take over the scalping ultimately, trying to get me more than 10 points!
- Are you going to look for a larger swing target with this trade or just another 10 tick scalp?
Yes, I am going to look for larger targets as in a scalp, not a swing target. Although as you noticed when a trade goes bad, I have arguments put in before I took the trade to stay in it. Yes, the GAP-UP was a major argument to stay in it, because it has a good chance of closing. Statistics lacks on this, but I can say that gaps often close within the first hour of trading, around 80%. Which means that around 20% needs more time... and while a portion of that 20% is still open, now being THIS close to an All Time High, it should be logical to expect a reversal to fill my target, eventually.
- Where is your longer term analysis for this trade?
I wrote up a quick GAP-UP story and a FED rate hike, I admit this to be rather summier...



Why?! Why would you be willing to exit for a measly 10 point profit but be willing to let a loss run out of control just because the market "gapped-up"? Your "secure opportunities" comment suggests that this trade might have not been a good one to being with, yet you're willing to hold onto it as it loses you money? Not to mention the only "secure opportunity" that could even exist in trading is knowing how much risk you are taking on. Something that your trading strategy is currently lacking.

Your entries and exits, including your targets and stops, all contradict one another. BB entry for a scalp, target based on points achieved not the analysis as per entry, losing trades you turn into swing positions even though they were taken with no swing analysis in mind. No solid plan for exits/losses at all.. What are you doing man?


Perhaps I am wrong and you have all of this thought out but your journal tells us a different story.

I felt I should address this here and not a PM, as I think it is more important to have this critique as part of your journal. Please take this seriously and I mean all of this with good intentions as I would prefer to not see you blow up your account in the future.

My target just got hit! The thing about losses are... they aren't 'REAL' yet, they are only real if you sell your position against a loss! Right now both losing trades... turned out to be winners instead. I haven't taken a loss since I started, but I did take 2 bad trades to deal with!

There is a solid plan for exits, which is 10 points, currently.

Unfortunately, I agree with you on a lot of bullets you shot at me! And I am thinking about it a lot... then I stop a bit because I get to confused! As this is in my case not something you come up with out of the blue...

I have a lot to think about, already... I definitely haven't thought everything out, else I wouldn't have started this journal.
A lot of these question you ask... I had problems with them to begin with!
But another good reason for finding out answers are that this method is working! I just have to put in more concrete rules as you say!

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ForcefielD
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First trade taken... am currently in my second live trade!


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My second now live trade,
Everything went so fast... I might have entered a bit too soon, though there is room! Currently went +8 points so far... Target hit within 30 minutes!


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ForcefielD
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Another good candle for entries came by after my second trade entry... but I had to leave my desk!

Also... I thought about 'questions comes more easily than answers'...

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Another good candle for entries came by after my second trade entry... but I had to leave my desk!

Also... I thought about 'questions comes more easily than answers'...

Sorry, I missed all (two) opportunities today... I am still overthinking your comments... but I can't find to seem a straight honest answer! Ideas for any solutions are welcome.

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No trades were taken today... I was very conflicted... and I missed all opportunities while doing other stuff around...
A daily review can be found in this picture...

I will continue and try to find a methodology that makes my strategy more sound in terms of stop losses and so on.



The red line is an MA 180, but... that should be a 150 one, even though the conclusions will be the same... we got an MA crossover, 200 crossing over the 150 one!

I will be on back tomorrow active again, I hope...

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ForcefielD
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I quote this from an article from Why I stopped using stop loss orders - MarketWatch

"Price alerts
I still believe in stop losses, but not the automatic kind. Rather than using automatic stop losses, I set up price alerts for the securities I bought (and for those I plan to buy). For example, if I buy XYZ stock at $20 per share, I might set a price alert at $19 (5% loss), and also at $25 (25% gain).

If the $19 alert is triggered, I am notified by email and text message. Next, I’ll turn to my mobile device and decide what action to take. More than likely, I’ll sell depending on market conditions. And if the $25 price alert is triggered, I might sell for a profit or set new price alerts.

The main point is that I am in control of my sell orders. Technology has made price alerts more practicable than in the old days. First, because of mobile devices, you are notified instantly if the target price is triggered. Second, you can take immediate action. Before the Internet, you had to run to a phone and call your brokerage firm. (During the 1987 market crash, phone lines jammed because of the huge influx of orders. By the time brokers entered their clients’ sell orders, stock prices were already at rock bottom.)

Note: Stop loss orders still make sense if you are unable to access your account immediately, for example, if you are on vacation. In addition, if you are not disciplined and ignore price alerts (hoping your stock will come back one day), automatic stop losses might be a better alternative."


Maybe this is something I should look into... because the market is constantly changing, the scenario may be changed already when it's heading towards your stop loss, there for maybe missing a turn around at that level. The article is also noting 'run the stops'! Why aren't we talking about this instead, because... I have seen it happen so much on the DAX! stop losses were hit and suddenly the market went even higher/lower because of it, going into extreme mode!
Am I the one who's running a risk with a stop loss? Instead of preventing a risk from happening?

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 RielA 
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To decide whether or not to place an order in the market for your stop, you first need to know where it would go.. Devise an appropriate exit strategy for your setups. I've mentioned it to you before about a simple ATR volatility based exit as a starting point at least. Try something and test it, adjust, test, adjust, test, etc.

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To decide whether or not to place an order in the market for your stop, you first need to know where it would go.. Devise an appropriate exit strategy for your setups. I've mentioned it to you before about a simple ATR volatility based exit as a starting point at least. Try something and test it, adjust, test, adjust, test, etc.

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Definitely, I am working on it... or I will be working on it for the time to come and beyond!

My first trade taken today... I missed a good one this morning... I had my finger on a buy button, but I wanted to buy at a lower level, while... it did meet the standards to go in! Anyway, nothing won, nothing lost!

Entry 12015.86, target 12005.86, lol we got to 12005.85 but... that's the price level, which is an average of the buy/sell level... hehe can I say target achieved while my order is still in the market?


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A 1 minute chart here... I am currently losing money! it got to 12004.85 and it's still not sold lol! Target is 12005.86 this is weird... huge spread apparently...
TARGET FILLED! Ya know... what... this third try of selling even failed again! I noticed my profit was on 10 points... and it failed to sell! ! ! However a 4th attempt quickly after was successful!


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