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 FGBLTrader 
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Well done FGBL, think my price was bit below. You using footprint then? What was your target btw? Mine: prev PA.

This trade doesnt normally work when countering a trend cos obv the retest of extremes is always a high probability. It was purely cos the markets might be a tad over extended and it was eod.





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Yes I have a footprint up, and yeah my thinking was the same - market was bid right into MOC, so just a quick scalp down for a quick 6 ticks


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 Zefi 
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whats the ADR? 2-3 ticks seems low, but then again ppl use 8 ticks on CL and that also seems low vs its ADR.....all very subjective anyway. I use 5mins time on ES, which is enough to build some value down there....less than that and imo price has rejected it...especially as my targets can be defined on a >5min timeframe - theyre pretty much hourly targets, as thats how long it takes for price to reach them.

Think it was fat tails on here who said he has large A & C values as he mainly trades mean reverting, in other words, it really needs to push decent amt before hes looking at a_ups or down trend moves. Anything too low though surely is possible noise.


ADR on 10 day look back is currently 104 ticks so coming to think about it 2/3 ticks is probably a little small for classing an A-up/down. Do you use a specific calculation based on ADR to quantify when the market makes an A-up/down?

I actually use Fat Tails' noise bands - today the market made a a very good low from the Open at a multi day support level and was trading way above the noise bands on the OR, so I was gunning for the long side early.

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ADR on 10 day look back is currently 104 ticks so coming to think about it 2/3 ticks is probably a little small for classing an A-up/down.

wld expect you need to work out whats best for you, as mentioned, its subjective and dependent on what your style is. Not sure but CL smthg like ~150t adr and A/C used is 8 ticks by some ppl.


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Do you use a specific calculation based on ADR to quantify when the market makes an A-up/down?

no, but if ADR suddenly jumps from 15 to 30 then i wld be looking to re-adjust these parameters. Also ADR doesnt include time, which is a key determinant.

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wld expect you need to work out whats best for you, as mentioned, its subjective and dependent on what your style is. Not sure but CL smthg like ~150t adr and A/C used is 8 ticks by some ppl.



no, but if ADR suddenly jumps from 15 to 30 then i wld be looking to re-adjust these parameters. Also ADR doesnt include time, which is a key determinant.


I've created two custom stats in my edgewonk journal for time taken for a up/down and a or c values in ticks for each day. When i get a decent enough sample I'll start to create a framework around it.

For now I'm happy with a 5% of ADR a/c values and 2 1/5 mins of OR as per Fisher's recommendation.

Thats 2/3 ticks in Eurostoxx and 5 ticks in Bund.

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 DaxyMcDaxFace 
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I've created two custom stats in my edgewonk journal for time taken for a up/down and a or c values in ticks for each day. When i get a decent enough sample I'll start to create a framework around it.

For now I'm happy with a 5% of ADR a/c values and 2 1/5 mins of OR as per Fisher's recommendation.

Thats 2/3 ticks in Eurostoxx and 5 ticks in Bund.

Great.

Will be interested to see the results.

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Am busy with meetings til the open, will post prep then.

Its also rollover today so now trading H17 contract.

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My take:

If A has formed then look for trend continuation - pull backs into IB/OR and confluence with other levels tend to hold well so are good places to fade/scale in, yest ES if you take it as a_down held well numerous times for at least a few scalps and plenty of time to get out, and rarely offside if picked decent entry.

When theres an A up or down, then price reverses to other side of the OR and finds value below/above the C levels - then this is C_down/up.......and is a strong signal that price will continue now in this direction. You can only have a C if you have first had an A. So a failed A (didnt find value which depends on time limits) doesnt count.

Thats afaik, dont want to complicate it too much imo, as its only for context.

Thanks for helping me understand. So if ES goes A-down and holds its a buy or you buy through the opening range? u say a few scalps. so you went long? so like yesterday if went above a_up and found c_up so you bought the retrace to c_up? how much is A, C value for you for ES?

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Having issue managing, hanging on etc.
So here is my issue. I start with 1 contract and keep it and is a winner. and on my looser i end up with more contracts, I have more winning session than lossing trades, but my lossing trades are big. So how do you all manage contract sizes. it seems to me my winning trades have less contracts than my loosing trades. How do i keep it the same. How do decide what your stops should be? Do you start with 2 contracts and have a maximum add of 1? any thoughts is highly appreciated.

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...only 2 on and tight stop now as was hoping would pop down to ETH lows:



Targets R1 Day pvt 2243 ish.

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 DaxyMcDaxFace 
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...only 2 on and tight stop now as was hoping would pop down to ETH lows:



Targets R1 Day pvt 2243 ish.


stopped out of that for -1pt, that was nicely itm then. Oh well. Too tight a stop? Probably.

Just going to sit and wait.

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