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Hi,

I am a new member here (my second post after my introduction) but I've frequent this forum over the past years. I'm also new at futures trading. I've never traded futures live before. I want to take this opportunity to start a journal on my $150,000 combine with Topstep Trader. It will serve multiple purposes to help me document my trades and my thoughts, to get feedback/encouragement from more experienced members, to become a better trader and possibly to give hope to others among other reasons.

So here's the result of my first day trading in the combine and my Ninjatrader chart with entries and exits...





I went long during the opening 5min candle due to overnight reversal and strong buying at the open. Since this is my first day of my first combine, I wanted to hold only a small position relative to the max number of contracts I'm allowed to have open. I was holding 1 or 2 positions and bought and sold another 1 or 2 contracts as market moved up the whole morning. So the maximum number of contracts I had opened was 4. I sold half position at 2133.50 due to resistance on 25k volume chart then bought back a couple of contracts on pullback since I wasn't convince that the daily trend had ended. Sold half at 2133 and let the rest hit target of 2136.

Nice entry at 2135 if had enter again but made my mind to be done for the day. It was a great start to hopefully a successful combine.

Please don't hesitate to contribute your ideas, suggestions, or anything you may have to add that will help me or others reading this.

Thanks!

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I entered the FIO Journal Challenge. If you're following my journal and reading this, please take some time to vote for me by hitting the "thanks" button on my post at the link below...



Thanks!

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Well done...stick to your plan

And keep discipline throughout your trades.

Always nice to see people making it in trading and keep it simple.


Congratulations on your journal too.


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Okay, well it sure didn't take long for me to fail the $150,000 combine. I started off pretty good the first day. The 2nd day I was distracted while waiting for my entry. Someone living with me asked me to move my car and by the time I came back the ES took off 6 points. I chased and it reversed and I got stopped out. From there I failed to see that the daily trend was down and I kept traded counter to the trend the whole day without thinking about what I was doing. I over traded was constantly getting stopped out and eventually hit my allowable daily loss limit. Had I lower my targets, it wouldn't have been that bad.

I've decided to reset my combine and start again as it's less expensive than starting a smaller combine. This time around I need to be more disciplined and patience on my entries. I need to take a step back and really see where the market is telling me. Hopefully, my journal will also improve.

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I noticed that you trade a very small amount of contracts relative to what they allow.

This is allowing you a MUCH better chance at beating the combine than those that trade 10+

I beat that combine, and you can too. Put the time and thought into it.

Take a look at my journal's first post and I mention TST stuff.

Lastly, don't lower your targets, because the only thing that does is lessen the money you make when you pick the right direction

(Look at my post on "asymmetrical returns.")


Good luck! I will follow along! I wish you the best!

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I will definitely read your journal. I do very much appreciate the encouragement and the feedback. I reset the combine and will be posting the trades and results from the new combine when TST updates my trade report.

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We had an long red candle on the SPX, SPY on Friday the 9th closing at the LOD. Monday we opened down from the previous session and bounced at the open closing near the HOD. Tuesday and Wednesday sessions tested the Monday low and held even though both days closed red. With that context, I expected a green day today testing both the lows and highs of the previous sessions.

There was some chop at the open and I didn't quite get the entry I should have and got stopped. I got back in on the next 5m candle on 2 contracts and meant to add another contract as the ES formed a wick at 2119 but due to user error, I selected the wrong one while right-clicking on the chart and sold 1 contract instead so I added another contract at 2121. I sold 1 at 2126.25 and got stopped out of the other one at 2124.75. Bought 2 contracts at 2126.25 and another at 2134.75 looking to unload at 2140's but I got stopped out. I gotten stopped out a few times today while looking for price to reach my targets. They eventually did except towards the EOD but I was also getting stopped out before price moved in my favor. I need to get better on my entries but I'm thinking I keep getting stopped out. I need a solution...

Anyhow this is the chart and the result today...



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If in good day you gain 3.000
(but you have to count your AVERAGE profit day that i think is much lower)
in bad days you HAVE TO STOP at half of that level for example 1.500.

And because your max drawdown is 4.000
i think it's better a daily loss limit of 1.000.

With 1.000 loss limit you will never hit neither your 3.000 daily loss limit (quite sure)
nor your 4.000 max drawdown (less sure).

With my 100.000 combine i stop my day at 1.000
but my trading system hardly ever got there.
My average gain day is 500
and i stop my average losing day at 300.

That's all about trading and this is the MOST difficult task !

Good trading!

You are right about limiting daily lost to much less than what the combine allows. That is part of the reason I try to limit the number of contracts I trade and focus on being able to quickly identify the daily trend/range and trade accordingly.

I see some traders are very methodical in the way they trade and would place only 1 or 2 trades with 3-4 contracts each. They would have one or two targets and stop loss. Once their target 1 hit they sell 2 or half then move stop up to break-even. So either they make at least make their first target or stop out and be done for the day. Something like that would be a way of limiting loss right? But where to enter a trade so you don't get stop out most of the time before your first target is hit. My stop and target would have to be different for each trade depending on what the market is doing right?

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I haven't really had time to update my journal the last couple of days until today...

I was beaten to a pulp my the market this past Friday, trading-wise and emotionally and psychologically. I nearly wanted to throw in the towel towards the end of the day.

I was awoken in the middle of the night so I decided to enter a position during that time with one contract at 2130.25. I didn't take profit at 2134 but instead over an hour later I bought another contract at 2128.25 as the market was turning down a bit. I had two chances o get out at 2135 with a nice profit but I didn't and it turned on me. I only came out with about $75. My next two long position would also given me a nice profit had I got out at the right time. Instead I switched to short and got stopped out. Then I switched to long again and formed a position as the market was pulling back. Eventually, it reached an area I felt uncomfortable and I close the position with another loss. The ES then turned and recovered in the direction I initially thought it would so I chased (revenge trade) and as I entered my position, it pulled back a few points and I got stopped out. As expected, after I got stopped out, it resume its move upward.

Taking a step back and looking at the day after the fact I can see that had I held on to the position that I took at 2124, I would also have been ok. I could have scaled back as it approached 2132, and bought back on the pullback at around 10AM. Even if I held on until the end of the day, I would have been out with nice profits. Instead, I reverse to short as the ES decided it will stop pulling back then buying in as it decided to pull back again. I definitely over traded again and should have either taken profits or partial profits and moved my stop to break-eve. There were many times I could have taken some profits but I failed to act and it turned against me. Other times, I got in just as the market decided to change direction. Clearly, I need work in a lot of area...



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Hi @nguyen74

The problem i see , is that you didn't know wich type of day was, and your expectations were biggers than the action expected. If the market is developing a balanced area, expecting the break of it, or targets biggers than the self range is a mistake.
Normally at this type of days, traders take wrong positions, like trading in the middle of the balanced action, take longs in the highs or shorts in the lows, with the risk inside and near to the vpoc of the day.
Naked charts are nicely, but i recommed you to use a volume profile tool or a volumeladder chart to know how is the volume being traded. You will understand better if your expectations are accordingly with what the market is doing or not, and know what you need to do objectively.


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I haven't really had time to update my journal the last couple of days until today...

I was beaten to a pulp my the market this past Friday, trading-wise and emotionally and psychologically. I nearly wanted to throw in the towel towards the end of the day.

I was awoken in the middle of the night so I decided to enter a position during that time with one contract at 2130.25. I didn't take profit at 2134 but instead over an hour later I bought another contract at 2128.25 as the market was turning down a bit. I had two chances o get out at 2135 with a nice profit but I didn't and it turned on me. I only came out with about $75. My next two long position would also given me a nice profit had I got out at the right time. Instead I switched to short and got stopped out. Then I switched to long again and formed a position as the market was pulling back. Eventually, it reached an area I felt uncomfortable and I close the position with another loss. The ES then turned and recovered in the direction I initially thought it would so I chased (revenge trade) and as I entered my position, it pulled back a few points and I got stopped out. As expected, after I got stopped out, it resume its move upward.

Taking a step back and looking at the day after the fact I can see that had I held on to the position that I took at 2124, I would also have been ok. I could have scaled back as it approached 2132, and bought back on the pullback at around 10AM. Even if I held on until the end of the day, I would have been out with nice profits. Instead, I reverse to short as the ES decided it will stop pulling back then buying in as it decided to pull back again. I definitely over traded again and should have either taken profits or partial profits and moved my stop to break-eve. There were many times I could have taken some profits but I failed to act and it turned against me. Other times, I got in just as the market decided to change direction. Clearly, I need work in a lot of area...



Looking at your charts I think you might want to define when you should step away from trading to cool off.
You started scaling in with 1 contract at a time, and then near the end of the day you were taking 5 contracts all at once. Looking at the combine requirements if you keep on trading when you are just not in the right state of mind, it'll be very easy to blow up the combine in a couple of trades.

You started off well, you had a bad day and it's fine. Learn from your losses and move on, you can do this!

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Any new attempt at passing the 150K combine ?

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Any new attempt at passing the 150K combine ?

Hi,

I have not made any attempts as I have stepped away from futures trading due to time constraints. I also want to re-evaulate myself.

Thanks for asking!

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Sorry for being missing in action for so long. I've decided to abstain from futures trading at this time because of limited capital and getting funded by TST isn't all it's made out to be.

I've found much success with options trading turning $5k to close to $50k in a couple of months and therefore I've decided to concentrate my time and resource in this area. Until I accumulate a large enough bankroll to trade my own money, I will not be trading futures although I love how futures is taxed .

Thank you all who replied for your support and encouragement.

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Sorry for being missing in action for so long. I've decided to abstain from futures trading at this time because of limited capital and getting funded by TST isn't all it's made out to be.

I've found much success with options trading turning $5k to close to $50k in a couple of months and therefore I've decided to concentrate my time and resource in this area. Until I accumulate a large enough bankroll to trade my own money, I will not be trading futures although I love how futures is taxed .

Thank you all who replied for your support and encouragement.

What is your edge based on in option trading ?
What kind of options do you trade ?
X10 in 2 months is a very result

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I just happened to have met a few options trader who have made over $1 million/yr. I'm kinda just shadowing them.

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I just happened to have met a few options trader who have made over $1 million/yr. I'm kinda just shadowing them.


hello, can I ask you if the strategies they only sell options or buy options? thank you

I'm passionate about the options but I never found a good trader

thanks

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Without giving away the secret sauce...

What is the edge based on , without disclosing the details ?
Can you shed a little bit more detail please ?

Gamma Scalping, butterfly, straddle, equities, commodities,
Day, Week, Month options ?

Equity, stock, commodity, fixed incoming, binary, .. ?

10 X in few months.. is a very good performance,
i agree you don't need TST in that case

Is it long term ?
Is it scalable ?
Does it continue to work in low volatility markets ?
You need trending or consolidation market
or it does not matter ?

sorry for too many questions.

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hello, can I ask you if the strategies they only sell options or buy options? thank you

I'm passionate about the options but I never found a good trader

thanks



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Without giving away the secret sauce...

What is the edge based on , without disclosing the details ?
Can you shed a little bit more detail please ?

Gamma Scalping, butterfly, straddle, equities, commodities,
Day, Week, Month options ?

Equity, stock, commodity, fixed incoming, binary, .. ?

10 X in few months.. is a very good performance,
i agree you don't need TST in that case

Is it long term ?
Is it scalable ?
Does it continue to work in low volatility markets ?
You need trending or consolidation market
or it does not matter ?

sorry for too many questions.

One of them does a lot of spreads on SPY and he does it while still holding a job. He trades using a few systems that he developed and back-tested over the years. He does simple calls/puts to more complex option plays. I'm not familiar with the specifics of his systems as I am not yet privileged to that information....yet.

The other guys are mostly directional traders. One of them went from some ridiculous amount (I don't remember exact but somewhere $1000-$2000) and compounded into over $1 million in a very short period of time (Again, I don't remember exact but within a month or two). He just showed me his 5-6 of his LEAPS trades that he currently has and they're 200-500%+ at this point.

I've seen one of them getting in on a trade right before the stock moves up and get out right before stock goes down. It still amazes me every time. Most of the time they get out with 20-30% only to buy back in on a pullback for another 20-30% in the same day. Every now and then they hit a home run with 100%+ but that doesn't happen often.

From what I know most of them focus only on one or two underlying stock but do make lotto plays from time to time on earnings, news, rumors, etc. Focusing on one or two particular stocks year after year has made them very aware of how that stock behaves. While they do hold longer-term plays, the bulk of their trades last a day or two.

I'm pretty confident with enough discipline, one can compound $1k to over a $1 million by following the same trades they take. That's what I plan to do...break my bankroll up into $1k each and compound each to $1mil.

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One of them does a lot of spreads on SPY and he does it while still holding a job. He trades using a few systems that he developed and back-tested over the years. He does simple calls/puts to more complex option plays. I'm not familiar with the specifics of his systems as I am not yet privileged to that information....yet.

The other guys are mostly directional traders. One of them went from some ridiculous amount (I don't remember exact but somewhere $1000-$2000) and compounded into over $1 million in a very short period of time (Again, I don't remember exact but within a month or two). He just showed me his 5-6 of his LEAPS trades that he currently has and they're 200-500%+ at this point.

I've seen one of them getting in on a trade right before the stock moves up and get out right before stock goes down. It still amazes me every time. Most of the time they get out with 20-30% only to buy back in on a pullback for another 20-30% in the same day. Every now and then they hit a home run with 100%+ but that doesn't happen often.

From what I know most of them focus only on one or two underlying stock but do make lotto plays from time to time on earnings, news, rumors, etc. Focusing on one or two particular stocks year after year has made them very aware of how that stock behaves. While they do hold longer-term plays, the bulk of their trades last a day or two.

I'm pretty confident with enough discipline, one can compound $1k to over a $1 million by following the same trades they take. That's what I plan to do...break my bankroll up into $1k each and compound each to $1mil.

thanks ,one last thing, the options that are traded in the money or out of the money?

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thanks ,one last thing, the options that are traded in the money or out of the money?

So far from what I see, they've been mostly out of the money about 2 strikes away and 1-3 weeks from expiration. Many times depending on trend and outlook of the underlying, they would build positions further out and then scalp around those positions.

Today I also heard the systems guy mention something about a "straddle" and being "delta neutral" and "gamma scalping".

One guy currently has a position in AAPL 10/20 $150 calls and he's scalping AAPL 3/10 $138 calls. I'm pretty sure he is also holding AAPL LEAPS which were bought last July when AAPL was in the 90's. Those are probably 300-500%+ right now. This guy trades mainly AAPL for years and tends to get in right before AAPL takes of and get out right before AAPL pull back...amazing accuracy.

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