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Either way, kudos to Mike for running such an awesome forum so brilliantly. Thanks for being involved in the discussion, it helped us see into some of the thoughts and decision making that made this site what it is today. Agree or disagree you deserve the respect.
As for Alex, I visited the room a few times and let it run in the background while I went about my business. He seemed knowledgeable and sincere in his desire to help others. To offer something for free(even if it is temporary) that provides value to others is commendable. So I wish him all the best.
Hopefully everyone has learned something from this experience.
Rule number one in the markets is to never lose money. Well since that isn't realistic, I say if you're going to lose some money anyway then lose small, but when you win, give it all you've got and win big!
Sorry BM but had to reply. I have not chased vendors for quite some time, not since I realized 99% of them can not trade profitable and are scammers. I never talked about chasing vendors. The fact that you say don't chase vendors has to point to the fact that you know what I am saying is Right on the Mark. My point is not about chasing vendors but about not allowing unvetted unverified vendors the ability to promote their goods via this site. That is my one and only point.
As for obsessed over brokerage statement. I guaranty you that is what the regulators will be obsessed with if this business ever gets regulated. Brokerage Statement, though as I pointed out can be faked, is the best way to see proof one can trade profitable. Best if they be seen live as I stated. And showing fake brokerage statements is one way to get the regulators to investigate you. I know of no better way to vet a vendor, maybe someone else knows a better way to see actual proof of their claims. I wonder if Bernie Madoff told his clients, "Don't be obsessed over seeing proof I actually am investing your money." Sorry, but again I must disagree with you. Proof is the only thing that matters. Anything else is meaningless.
Again just amazing how people accept vendors without any proof what so ever of their claims.
And I know many many members agree with my points and apparently are afraid to stand up and say so.
"And when you say no one posts statements - remember who you are talking to, the guy that posted them every day for months (real live cash, real-time trades)."
Lots of people take live trades. My point, maybe misunderstood, was about vendors selling their system or software. Especially ones telling you they profitable scalp ES on a 5 Minute chart and show no proof what so ever of their claims. That is my one and only point.
I agree with your point, many do, it would be great if it was that easy.
There are so many problems with proof of proof that it becomes the next level joke. Plus traders have runs of luck, funds have runs of luck, how many days/weeks/months do they have to show profit, is it continuous/every day/every week. What about different styles of trading.
And look at the car industry as a great regulated example of giving 'proof' - consumption figures and emissions standards !!!!! <- deliberate overuse here.
At the end of the day there is only one way, learning to become responsible for ourselves and our own good and bad decisions and then moving on.
I am a strong @Big Mike partisan. I have seen his intense efforts to keep this forum clean over a span of many years, and my hat's off to him.
There is no practicality in demanding "proof" of anything. We have seen extremely clever and effective faking over the years, in statements and even videos of supposed trades. Because of the obvious motive, vendors will give anything a try, and often will be believed.
Ironically, @Big Mike published several months of real-time results, with daily broker confirmations and monthly statements, and was not believed by some, even though he is a known quantity here, with no financial ax to grind.
As to how decisions should be made, I am OK with Mike's judgment and experience. I do know that he is open to reconsidering his decisions based on evidence, and have seen him do it. (He's doing it now.) I also think he is right most of the time, and someone does have to decide, one way or the other.
I am a little sorry now that this present question has been put to vote. I agree that the situation has some complexity, and there may be circumstances that need to be weighed. I made my vote, and I am unsure if I was right or wrong -- which is the problem. This probably should not be put to the membership, because of the possibility of uninformed voting, both pro and con, and the simple fact that our instincts have not been sharpened by years of being on the job of keeping the forum safe. It is too likely that votes will be made based on emotional or other reasons, being for or against Alex on fairly weak grounds, instead of experienced consideration. Of course, many, probably most, will do their honest best to get it right.
I'll accept the poll outcome, on the hope that the community's judgment will turn out to be right. I do hope that this is the last such experiment, however. I'll take Mike's judgment and fundamental fairness over a membership poll any day.
With all that said, since it has been put to vote, anyone who does have a view should register it, so the odds of a good decision are increased by the additional participation.
I tried to stay away from this subject for many reasons; mainly because i'm new to this forum and I don't know any of you.
Partly because I've defended people before and have been wrong. Personally, I liked @rocksolid68, he was very helpful and didn't seem bothered when I asked him for help. I've been to his TR and he has only spoken highly of this forum and of his many mentors, you all know who you are. I know you mentors feel let down or betrayed; get past it....Everyone will have an opinion on this, because as the saying goes "opinions are like A#*holes.. everybody has one".
The ban was , in my opinion, a bit overzealous. A man was hung but no trial was held.You all speak of @BIGMIKE doing a great job running this site. Then trust that if he wants to have a vote then he has thought long and hard about this and is doing it for the good of FIO. If BM sees a benefit from possibly unbanning him, then accept it.
I will say this though, read my so called journal :
Earlier this year I had no idea what a "future" was. My only knowledge of investing in the markets was from some Warren Buffet and Jim Cramer books that i read over the years. I have no friends or family that know anything about the markets or …
I would be a primesucker to be approached by a vendor for monetary compensation for a TR or an Indicator or some sort of "Holy Grail"... I suck @ trading and it's all over all my posts, but yet I was never asked for anything.
Again, let me clarify that I am not defending anyone. I just believe in second chances. I was once given a second chance and have made up for my mistakes and learned my lesson, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
As @ratfink put it "At the end of the day there is only one way, learning to become responsible for ourselves and our own good and bad decisions and then moving on"
Also @chipps1983 "Remember, you have to find your own path. a trading room will not make you a better trader".
"It's not about being right or wrong, it's about how much money you make when you're right, and how much you don't lose when you're wrong"
FYI, this is someone else's personal trading journal. It is active because of an issue that is currently being discussed. Before that, it was active because of his trading posts.
You should start your own journal, and post your trades there, not in this thread.
I don't mean to be discouraging, but that is correct forum etiquette and politeness. It's easy to start a journal and get some interest in your trading there. This is not the right place.
Agree 100%. After reading a lot of these posts, it's apparent that many people don't have all the facts or have the facts misunderstood.
I also noticed that yesterday, the poll was staying pretty consintent right around 60/40 in favor of lifting the ban. Then rather quickly, it swung to 48/52 in favor of keeping the ban. Is there any chance that someone is making fake accounts to alter the vote? Or are new members prevented from voting? Just curious because it seems odd that it changed so abruptly.
