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 tbondtrader 
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i voted to unban alex


if he does as charged in the future you can reinstate the ban he explained the situation from his side this morning,..

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Sitting here with his video recording in the background. He just mentioned that I can read everyone's PM's, and it sent chills down my back.

This comes up occasionally (this morning was the first time maybe this year, in another thread where someone was banned). So I just want to state the absolute facts:

- Anyone with database access can technically read all users private messages
- It would be extremely time consuming and technically challenging (SQL statements)
- This is similar to any IT department staff, reading the emails of other users
- It is technically possible, but immoral

In some situations, users send me private messages or use the "Report PM" feature of the site, which then sends a copy of the PM to me, as an admin of the site, to read. This is what happened this morning in an unrelated banning of a different user, which gave me the info I needed to make an informed decision about banning the other guy.

I spend 5 minutes writing this post because I don't need more people out there spreading that I read private messages. Banned vendors love to throw this at me as a reason they were banned. No disrespect towards Alex for mentioning that, I do believe he meant any harm by saying it. But I felt it was necessary for me to clarify before everyone's tin foil hat gets put on...

Here is the other thread I spoke about from this morning:


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Guys,

Let's do this. I normally fully believe that in cases such as this, a decision must simply be made and move on, because if you invite too much discussion for every decision it just ends in chaos. In the end, a leader must lead, and his followers can decide if he is a good leader or a bad one.

However, because of the complexity of this particular case, I am going to simply let you decide. Below is the poll, you can vote and we'll just go based on that. I will implement whatever the members want. Poll is open until end of Friday.



Mike


Is there somewhere all the facts are presented for everyone? For instance, how many people reported PMs with solicitation (and what was the content the complainer reported getting?). Otherwise, this will be just a popularity contest on Alex.

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Is there somewhere all the facts are presented for everyone? For instance, how many people reported PMs with solicitation (and what was the content?). Otherwise, this will be just a popularity contest on Alex.

No one reported any of rocksolid's PM's, so in no way has any of his PM's been read. It was an email thread between a FIO member and an admin of FIO.

The user can come forward if he wishes. The user made me aware of some things (the other admin forwarded me the email), and then I investigated on my own. The decision was mine, not the other admin, not the member that sent the email.

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No one reported any of rocksolid's PM's, so in no way has any of his PM's been read. It was an email thread between a FIO member and an admin of FIO.

The user can come forward if he wishes. The user made me aware of some things (the other admin forwarded me the email), and then I investigated on my own. The decision was mine, not the other admin, not the member that sent the email.

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Mike


Makes sense, but without all the facts, how can any of us vote properly?

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Makes sense, but without all the facts, how can any of us vote properly?

When is it ever possible to know all of the facts? That would be like saying you need to know if the next trade is a winner or loser before taking it.

All we ever have in life is our opinion and our perspective based on our experiences. We all trade our beliefs, we all live our life based on our beliefs.

In my original post, I linked to the same links that were given to me in the email from the member. I had no direct communication with the member, just a forwarded copy of an email with some links.

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Big Mike, I thank you for giving Alex a chance with the poll option.

Honestly before this whole incident, I didn't know what values this site stood for, or more or less just thought it was another trading forum.
All I heard in the chatroom from Alex prior to the incident on why he wasn't charging was because hes trying to make a change in the industry which I believe. And to have an 18 year old who has the experience in trading and the right character traits is hopeful for the younger generation and this forum.

Anyways, I am really humbled and have new-founded appreciation to be a part of this community. Hopefully once I become consistently profitable for a few weeks....instead of constantly losing.......then I can see what the elite membership is all about and dive further in. Good luck to you Alex with the votes.

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while I still do not understand some things, my gut is that Alex is extremely talented...not trading specific, rather in general. Like what I said earlier, some things seem unconventional about his approach and sometimes I wonder. I am willing to extend benefit of doubt because I believe Alex can become really significant to forum participants.

Evidence the way he plead his side in the attached youtube video. I think Alex might simply be an exceptional individual with a pure heart.... the exception.

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 sharmas 
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I believe the user who reported must and should man up and front up.

@rocksolid was providing the services for free and he sent invites but was up to the user to accept and go to his room

I know how it feels when you get accused of something you haven't done.

With what @BigMike had he did what he felt was correct path and i haven't seen Big Mike open a poll to unban a user before, so we need to acknowledge and appreciate that.

Lets give Rocksolid another opportunity.

Sharmas


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No one reported any of rocksolid's PM's, so in no way has any of his PM's been read. It was an email thread between a FIO member and an admin of FIO.

The user can come forward if he wishes. The user made me aware of some things (the other admin forwarded me the email), and then I investigated on my own. The decision was mine, not the other admin, not the member that sent the email.

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Please forgive me if I don't respond too much more in this thread, it has already occupied a lot of my time.

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There are enough con artist scamming noobs into scalping ES, like Al Brooks. Yes his room is free, though I think ulterior motives are at hand. Do you really think this 18 year old is going to make you a profitable ES scalper? Give me a break. Enough people have lost lots of money due to these type of scammers.

@Big Mike, make him show you actual proof of his claims. In the room today he stated he traded live. Make him show you his ES brokerage statements proving he is trading live and profitable as he claims. Otherwise I say stay banned. And ban Al Brooks and all the other vendors who also show no prove of their claims.


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