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Mr. Ocean's SLA Journey To Competence

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Try not using lines of any kind at all. The focus after all is price action, not lines.

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Try not using lines of any kind at all. The focus after all is price action, not lines.

What is there to gain from not using the lines, even if just as a visual aid?

Is it steering me in the wrong direction?

I don't get it.


It's like taking the lines off would be like taking the training wheels off a bicycle. Once they're off, you're still getting from point A to point B, just as you would have with them still on.

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Review the observation phase of Developing A Plan in Section Two of the book. None of the steps in that section have anything to do with lines.

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Review the observation phase of Developing A Plan in Section Two of the book. None of the steps in that section have anything to do with lines.

Alright. Understood. But I still don't get what you're trying to tell me.

I can observe without any lines at all on my chart how the NQ is mean reverting. I can see at a glance the current Weekly channel. I don't necessarily need the channel marked on my chart to "see" it. What are you getting at?

Are you simply saying to try to see it without the guidance of the lines? And that's it? Maybe I'm misovercomplexifying what you're trying to say. LOL.


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If you don't need the lines and the channels, they serve no purpose. You may prefer the approach taken by Wyckoff, the jist of which is provided in Appendix D.

I know very little about you other than a couple of posts at TL. The SLA isn't for everyone, nor is it meant to be. If you're not happy with the way things are going for you, a statement of your goals and objectives would be helpful. Wanting to know what I would do in this or that situation isn't pertinent. What matters is what you would do, and why, which will depend on what you want and what you're willing to do to get it.

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If you don't need the lines and the channels, they serve no purpose. You may prefer the approach taken by Wyckoff, the jist of which is provided in Appendix D.

I know very little about you other than a couple of posts at TL. The SLA isn't for everyone, nor is it meant to be. If you're not happy with the way things are going for you, a statement of your goals and objectives would be helpful. Wanting to know what I would do in this or that situation isn't pertinent. What matters is what you would do, and why, which will depend on what you want and what you're willing to do to get it.

I like having them there, personally. I am happy with the way things are headed, especially after seeing how your most recent charts were very similar to the ones I posted. SLA tells you what to do, AMT tells you where to do it. I get that.

The only difficulty I am currently having is the ambiguity in finding the pertinent channel. Especially during the 11,12, and 13 market. On pp. 45-46 there are channels within the channel. And on the original SLA.doc you released, there was a chart that I believe you may have taken out of the most recent edition, where you had two paragraphs in parentheses talking about the "seeming ill-fit of this trend channel". That channel is different than the one you had posted earlier in the book. I'm just struggling deciphering the ambiguity in finding the correct channel.

Thanks again for your continued support.

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The "channels within channels" are not channels but demand lines which are drawn when price exits the top of what had been the trend channel and doesn't return to the lower limit. This is explained on pp 44 and 45. But that was all two years ago. The purpose of it was/is to show how we got here from the beginning, in '09, and to explain why it is important to know the weekly trend. Those trends are of no concern now.

The "pertinent channel" is the weekly channel beginning in June '13, particularly as we appear to be headed toward the lower limit of it at 4265. A rally would take us back to 4550. Those are the only two numbers that someone trading a longer interval need concern himself with. If he jumps into trades in the middle of nowhere, hoping that price will carry him toward one side or the other, the stopouts, one after the other, will do considerable damage to his account balance. If he can't wait for those extremes, then he needs to look at smaller intervals. If he can't trade smaller intervals, then he has a conflict that he'll have to resolve before going further.

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The "channels within channels" are not channels but demand lines which are drawn when price exits the top of what had been the trend channel and doesn't return to the lower limit. This is explained on pp 44 and 45. But that was all two years ago. The purpose of it was/is to show how we got here from the beginning, in '09, and to explain why it is important to know the weekly trend. Those trends are of no concern now.

The "pertinent channel" is the weekly channel beginning in June '13, particularly as we appear to be headed toward the lower limit of it at 4265. A rally would take us back to 4550. Those are the only two numbers that someone trading a longer interval need concern himself with. If he jumps into trades in the middle of nowhere, hoping that price will carry him toward one side or the other, the stopouts, one after the other, will do considerable damage to his account balance. If he can't wait for those extremes, then he needs to look at smaller intervals. If he can't trade smaller intervals, then he has a conflict that he'll have to resolve before going further.

I understand where we are now. No problem there. I was beginning backtesting, and it became confusing when I was viewing them as if that was the present time/trend.

As for smaller intervals, can I trade the 5min or the 15min like you would the 1min? You said you can't do that with the 60 min. Find the range, wait for the breakout, trade the retracement, etc.?

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I didn't realize you were backtesting. If that's the case, your starting point is the weekly trend channel:

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The daily channel will be identical re the upper and lower limits and the mean. If you want to plot hourly bars for November-December, start here.

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Before I take this 60m stuff any further, I'd like to clarify something first.

My thinking with the original charts I posted in this thread were to find the range, wait for the breakout, and trade the retracement. That just comes easily to me and fits me personally. I love it. I get the action and intentions behind it as explained by AMT. Evidently I was just using too long of an interval.

Could I do this with a 5 or 15min interval like I would the 1min? The 15min is just easier to "see" for me. You suggested at ET that I could use a smaller interval to trade the breakouts and retracements rather than waiting for the 60m breakout and retracement. Waiting for the Weekly extremes seems like a little too much waiting for my liking.


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