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Hi Everyone,
After about 3 weeks around the forums, I decided it it time to open my Journal.

Named after one of the best movies I've seen in quite a while, and because in the last month or so, it's been clear to me that I have a LONG way to go

About myself, and why I'm here
I'm 43 y.o, Program Manager in Hi-Tech company. Doing well, but also understanding that things can easily change. I'm working full time (and over), which is going to be one of the biggest limitation for my trading (see later).
I don't have much of investment experience except long term investing. Trading was something I never tried before.

So - why should I start now?

few reasons:
1. I always like learning new skills, and this is from a totally different field then the skills I usually use.
2. Trying to have some extra income - kids are getting closer to University and wanting to start their live - I want to be able to help them.
3. Safe net? in Hi-Tech, 43 y.o starts to be old . If I will have a good trading plan & record, this can be kind of a safe net if hard days will come.

What weaknesses I already see
I've started to look at Future trading following a book I've read in the summer. It was written but a guy that had to leave his work, and started working in trading. The thing I liked about this book, is that it mostly described the difficulties that he had becoming a trader, and the journey he had.

So in the last month or so I'm already clear about some weaknesses I have:

1. No prior knowledge at all. Not even the basic technical analysis, not trading experience, nothing. So Im reading as much as I can, and mainly looking at the graph, trying to learn how to read them. This is not easy.
2. Very limited time to trade. I work a full day, and most of the time give extra hours from home or office. And when Im at home in the evening Im also a full time father & husband, so cannot just sit in front of the computer.
3. Living 7h earlier then ET this means I have a lot of ETs night time/early morning overlap my working hours, and ETs afternoon as my evening.
4. Scared to turn winning trade to a lose while this might be a good thing, I think I do it wrongly I set up stop loss & profit target (usually in a 1.5:1 ratio), but as soon as the trade goes my direction, I start trailing the trade with the stop (only in positive profit), the problem is that since price plays back and forth, my new stop get caught early. So I do get small profit, but not getting the full potential of the target, that I could have get if I just waited out there. This makes my reword/risk ratio actually lower, so when I do get a losing trade, it is significant.
5. Since I dont have the knowledge, Im guessing based on partial information, which usually end up loosing.(see in later post (yesterdays trade) as an example)

My Plan & tools
Im currently simulating only of course, and using MultiCharts, after working for a while also with TransAct + Sierra charts. I must admit I prefer the TransACT DOM window to this in MC. On the other hand it was extremely easy to add an indicator to MC, that will color the bars according to MACD, RSI & BB.

I only have about 2 weeks of the trail left, so one of my tasks for this time is to find out what tool(s) I can use to keep simulating, without paying 100$ a month (I understand that Ill have to pay something, but need to limit this).

Once Im ready, Im planning to open an account with 5000$, and trade Futures. Currently, Im looking at the mini S&P mainly, but might look at other Futures too. Im going to start slow 1 contract at a time, with max daily drawback of ~250-300$ (not finalized yet).

In the next post, Ill put my TODO list, and will update as I progress with it.

Of course your comments & suggestions are more than welcomed!

Thanks,
Ilan

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So my initial TODO list looks like that:

- Find a strategy to work with - currently I use mostly support/resistance levels & trying to use the "Simple Strategy".
- Find the tools I'm going to use in the longer run. (MC is a bit expensive to use as simulator for 100$ a month).
- Figure out what are the Tax rules for day trading in my country (non-US) - seems this is going to be quite high & complicated.
- Learn, Learn & Learn.
- Simulate, Simulate, Simulate.

Later:
- Open account
- Start real money trading.

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Didn't have much time during evening time (busy teaching my kid to write applications).

Earlier in the day, I connected from work, and looked at the market work, in 3 different views - 15m, 8 points (actually 2 full points of ES, but this is how MC call this range), and 644 Ticks.

From the last, I thought I recognize a support level forming up at 2011.25, and that after few checks of this level, the market is going to break it and go lower.
I set up a "Sell Stop 2011.00" order, to try and get it on the break of the level, and it was cought, but the market was raise right after. (see picture)


This is what I meant by guessing . One thing I learned - If I think the level is going to be broken, place my stop order (to catch the break) further from the level itself.

lost 100$ (+ 4.5$ commission).

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(trades are numbered since start of the week)

#2 : Enter at 16:34 (8:34 exchange time): 1 short at 2009.25. PT - 8 ticks, SL - 6ticks
Exit at 16:42 (8:42 exchange time) at 2006.75: +2.5


Hit a local resistance level at 2009.25 after ~16 ticks up ride. broke up 2 ticks and down again, so entered short.
after small side walk, ran down. I moved my TP and moved my SL to trail. When reached 2007 level, I tough will change direction, so moved my trailing stop closer, which was caught at 2006.75 - 2.5P profit

First mistake - trade at opening bell - must change my chart setting to exchange time, not local (done).



My daily target is ~100$, so might call it a day

of course - I couldn't call it a day, and it cost

#3 Entry: 11:44: Short at 2004.0
Exit: 11:44, SL at 2005.5: -1.5P

Was watching the market trade at 2003-2004 while playing FIFA with my kid. Had a feeling market will go down from there, so entered short, just for the market to break that range in the wrong direction.


Second mistake - know when to stop for the day

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Sorry, but the most important question is how much time to trade again? And when? This is the most important stuff. Trading is not a poker game. I sit down front of the computer, and I will hope in a game, in any time, and play a bit for 20mins on the cash table.

Best way to trade the market if you have limited time is after market open the first 1-2 hours. But you have to book this period. It is not like I have only 20 mins this morning. Than it is a NOTRADE. If you really would like to learn you need to follow these principle for real!

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Sorry, but the most important question is how much time to trade again? And when? This is the most important stuff. Trading is not a poker game. I sit down front of the computer, and I will hope in a game, in any time, and play a bit for 20mins on the cash table.

Best way to trade the market if you have limited time is after market open the first 1-2 hours. But you have to book this period. It is not like I have only 20 mins this morning. Than it is a NOTRADE. If you really would like to learn you need to follow these principle for real!

Fully agree.
I'm trying to work this out, and will probably end up blocking time late evening (22:00-00:00 local time, 15:00-17:00 ET) or something like that for this.
For now, while just starting to learn, I don't have this setup yet, and trying to have the charts up and running beside my as much as I can.

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Fully agree.
I'm trying to work this out, and will probably end up blocking time late evening (22:00-00:00 local time, 15:00-17:00 ET) or something like that for this.
For now, while just starting to learn, I don't have this setup yet, and trying to have the charts up and running beside my as much as I can.

Oke, I am just asking, because the futures have a tendency to act differently at different time of the day. It is much easier to concentrate a given time period at all, and do analysis instead of trading than to trade instead of studing

But it could be different based on your strategy. For example for scalpers maybe it is not so important...

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No trades at all.
Didn't have much time to focus on the market today, so didn't want to take risks.
There was one setup I thought to enter in as a short, with overlapping signal from Stochastic, DMI and a nice 'M' formation in the chart, but I set the short limit 1 tick above what the market filled, and didn't want to try and chase the market on the way down.

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#4 Entry: 17:25 (local time) Long at 2016.00 (Market)
Exit: 17:28 at 2014.50: -1.5P

Got long signal on the 5 minutes chart, and market started up while I was entering the order, so I tought I'm going to miss it, and entered MARKET (which was never my plan).
Market went straight down to where I wanted to place my limit originally, and I was out on my SL (6 ticks).

#5 Entry: 18:18 (local time) Short at 2020.00
Exit: 18:19 at 2021.50: -1.5P

Not following my rules again
Market hit the R1 level, but still didn't get a short signal. I still decided to enter, and lost.

#5 Entry: 21:46 (local time) Short at 2023.75
Exit: 22:49 at 2026.75: -3P

Short signal on the 15m chart. bigger SL & PT this time (12 SL, 18 PT, with starting to trail once I hit 10 ticks profit)
might be a bit early with reading the signal (Stochestic was just touching the 70, not yet crossing).
The larger SL proved at the start of trade, but after the trade was already at 4ticks profit, it turned, and an hour later closed at the SL.


Day Summary - 6P lose, which is also my daily limit (and end of day anyway)

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Not much time this Friday due to family obligations.

#7 Entry: 22:48 (local time) Long at 2026.00 SL-12, TP-18
Exit: 23:00 at 2027.75: +1.75P


Even so, just before calling it a day, I spoted a nice setup on the 15m chart - Stocastic crossed above the 30 line, both DMI lines changed direction, so entered a long position.
I have the regular exit set up: SL- 12 ticks, PT - 18 ticks, and trailing stop kicking in at 10 ticks, trailing 3 ticks behind.

After few minutes, the trailing stop level reached, and shortly after, the trailing stop was caught. Profit of 7 ticks. The best the trade could have given is 12 ticks, about a minute after my position was closed, so maybe not the best, but not bad.

Daily summary - +1.75 p.

Weekly summary:
7 trades
2 winners
5 loosing
Net Total P/L: -5.25 p (-262.5$ before commissions).
Total P/L (assuming 4.5$ RT commission): -294$

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#1 Entry: 17:47 Long at 2031.50
Exit: 17:47 at 2031.75: +0.5P

while still in profit - this was a total mistake - wanted to enter short and entered long instead - newbie mistake.
Reveresed the position (in market)

#2 Entry: 17:47 Short at 2031.75
Exit: 17:55 at 2033.75: -2P

entered based on resistance level, but no other signal. SL was caught.

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One last trade from Nov. 10th (didn't had a chance to update the thread in real-time, but updated my local journal):

#3 Entry: 20:58 (Nov. 10th) Short at 2031.00
Exit: 21:10 at 2033.00: -2P

Got the right signals for short, but missed the start of the movements, and entered too late.


On Nov. 11th, only one trade, close to the EoD for me:
#4 Entry: 22:00 (Nov. 10th) Long at 2033.00 SL=8, TP=12 ticks
Exit: 22:40 at 2035.00: +2P

entered based on Long signal, and reaching support level.
after ~15 minutes, decided to reduce the TP to 8 ticks, as the market hardly moved, and it seemed like a more reasonable target based on the market movement in the prev. few hours.
Wanted to make sure I close the position before EoD.

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I'm trying to watch also the 6E & M6E in the last few days, and today placed my first simulated trade on the M6E.
The reasoning behind, is that this contract might fit as a first to try with real money - smaller risks, very active during earlier hours for me (this is good and bad, as I do work in the morning).

#6 M6E - Entry: 12:43 Long at 1.2464 SL=10, TP=15 ticks
Exit: 13:15 at 1.2471: +7 ticks

Entered based on Stoc & DMI signal, but a bit late.
Added trailing stop at some point, to kick in at 8 ticks, with distance of 4. price was dashing for a while but than broke up. Trailing stop kicked in. price dashed again, and Stop was filled. +7 ticks - not much, but at least a profit. later the price rocked up of course.

#7 ES - Entry: 15:37 Long at 2027.25 SL=8, TP=12 ticks, trailing stop - start at 8 ticks distance 3.
Exit: 15:44 at 2028.75: +6 ticks

Placed a Long limit on support level, and just waited
only still have an issue if to use trailing stop or not.(the market reached up to 11 ticks from entry price few minutes later)

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#7 6E - Entry: 11:40 Short at 1.2464 SL=6, TP=10 ticks
Exit: 15:44 at 1.2470: -6 ticks

Entered following DMI + Stoch. signal. Price dropped 8 ticks, but than turned up.
Was tempered to move the SL to profit (while was in 6-7 ticks profit), but hold back.
Ended up losing 6 ticks.

#8 ES - Entry: 13:44 Short at 2042.25 SL=6, TP=10 ticks. Trailing stop - 7ticks, distance 3.
Exit: 15:44 at 2041.25: +4 ticks

nice signal. This time I did set a trailing stop, which was filled.

I'm not sure what is better. using TS, my wins are usually smaller than the ratio I would like, but it definitely cut some loses off.

#9 ES - Entry: 16:28 Long at 2037.00 SL=6, TP=10 ticks. TS=7,3
Exit: 16:36 at 2039.25: +9 ticks

Was moving the TP after the trailing started, but ended up filling the TS at 9 ticks.

#10 ES - Entry: 21:10 Long at 2030.25 SL=6, TP=10 ticks. TS=7,3
Exit: 21:13 at 2028.75: -6 ticks

Wasn't focused enough, and didn't notice the Stoch. didn't cross the line, and was only close to it. Wrong entry.
Decided to stop trading for the day.
Of course, few minutes later, the entry signal was real, and price went up nicely, but I watched from the sideline.

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#11 6E - Entry: 08:51 Long at 1.2440 SL=6, TP=10 ticks. TS=7,3
Exit: 09:00 at 1.2450: +10 ticks

Nice entry signal. Price dashed for few minutes, but than went up fast.
Wanted to try to move TP up, but it was too fast. Still - nice trade to start the day with.

#12 6E - Entry: 15:59 Long at 1.2416 SL=6, TP=10 ticks. TS=7,3
Exit: 16:05 at 1.2410: -6 ticks


#13 6E - Entry: 18:11 Short at 1.2472 SL=6, TP=10 ticks. TS=7,3
Exit: 18:22 at 1.2471: +1 ticks

Price went till profit was +7, but TS didn't kick in. after price started to go up, moved manually the SL to +1, which was filled (and price continued to go up, so would have lost more).

#12 6E - Entry: 21:10 Long at 1.2532 SL=6, TP=10 ticks. TS=7,3
Exit: 21:14 at 1.2541: -6 ticks

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So, few days without much time to write here (but did track in my local journal).

First - week #2 of my simulated trading ended up:

ES:
Trades: 8
Wins: 5
losses: 3
PnL: +1.5P (65$, but commissions are ~36$, so very minor profit on ES)

6E:
Trades: 5
Wins: 2
Losses: 3
PnL: -1.75P (-82.5$, and with 5.5$ a trade commission this will be -110$)

M6E:
single wining trade - 1.75P. probably zeroed by commissions.

So total is still a negative week, but better than the first week definitely.

I'll start a new post for this week's trades

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Each day saw only a single trade:

Nov. 18th.
#1 ES Entry: 21:52 Short at 2052.25 SL=8, TP=12, TS=(7,3)
Exit: 23:00 at 2050.50: +1.75P

After a large up trend, I tired to catch on the way down. Worked quite well. Trailing stop was filled. I'm still not sure if TS is good or bad with a single contract.

Nov. 19th:
#2 ES Entry: 21:30 Short at 2044.75 SL=8, TP=12, TS=(7,3)
Exit: 21:37 at 2043.25: +1.50P

Entered based on Stoch + DMI short signal. TS filled again.

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#3 ES Entry: 12:24 Long at 2038.50 SL=8, TP=12, Set breakeven to kick in at 7 ticks, and placed at +2 ticks.
Exit: 13:31 at 2039.00: +0.5P

Profit went up till +9ticks, but back and exit on +2 (the BE level). Maybe TS is a good idea

#4 6E Entry: 15:37 Long at 1.2515 SL=8, TP=12, TS = (8,4)
Exit: 13:31 at 1.2526 : +11 Ticks


catch it on the lower point, trading up. Moved the TP up a bit. If I wouldn't I would have closed at 12 ticks (1 more).

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#5 ES Entry: 20:17 Long at 2048.50 SL=8, TP=12
Exit: 21:01 at 2050.50: -2P

Stoch. dropped below 80, but DMI didn't match the signal. Still entered, and while it started in the right direction, ended up going up again.

#6 ES Entry: 21:12 Long at 2050.50 SL=8, TP=12, TS=(8,4)
Exit: 22:00 at 2047.50: +3P

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#7 ES Entry: 16:57 Short at 2068.75 SL=8, TP=12, TS=(8,4)
Exit: 17:07 at 2067.50: +1.25P

Trailing stop filled.

#8 6E Entry: 20:03 Long at 1.2389 SL=8, TP=12, TS=(8,4)
Exit: at 1.2381: -11 ticks

Stoch didn't cross yet the 20 line, but DMI did change direction. I tried to hard to find a trade, so entered against my roles, which cost me 100$ at the end of otherwise good week.
Need to learn staying on the line...

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Less trades this week, but much better results:

ES:
trades: 6
winners: 5
Lossers: 1
PnL:+6P = 300$ before commissions (274.5$ net)

6E:
Trades: 2
Winners: 1
Lossers:1
PnL: 3 ticks = 37.5 before commissions (26.5$ net)

Much better than first 2 weeks, and if not the last trade, I would have covered the losses of the first 2 weeks.

Still, all is simulated trades only, but looks better.

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