"When I watch my charts, the DMA turn is unknown until the completion of the bar after the turn, and the completion of that bar is not known until the open of the next bar. So, if the DMA turn occurs on Bar0, the open of Bar2 identifies/confirms that turn.
I must be missing something because your executions show you identify the turn more timely. "
Your charts show entries and exits based on the bar at the turn. How do you know it is the turn at bar close? The timing makes a difference especially in smaller moves and chop.
On the 4 Range chart:
7:28 (ET) bar is an up DMA bar - its DMA value is greater than the prior bar, even though it closes on its low
7:31 bar is the first down DMA bar - its value is less than the prior bar, and you do not know it is a down DMA bar until it closes, which effectively happens on the open of the following 7:34 bar at 115'295.
It seems to me that 115'295 would be the entry after the turn. You identify a short at 115'310 - 3 ticks better.
Please help me understand our difference.
I believe you are still looking at the chart from 6/26/09?
My initial entry that day was @ 6:46 EST not 7:28 EST. Sorry if this may have thrown you off as I had my text next to my arrow and not below it.
The DMA had changed direction/color in the time span from 6:02 EST -6:21 EST.
This gave me plenty of time to enter when i did @ 115'310. There was a pull back at 7:28 but the DMA never changed color so I didn't exit the trade.
I did exit the trade @ 8:30. I put the arrow on thre wrong candle on the chart. I had it over the green candle @ 8:27 but should have been over the red candle @ 8:30.
Yes, I'm asking about the 1 minute with the ORP with price levels and fib #s plotted on the line. I have a copy of one I'd made but not like yours since the builtin fib ext script I was trying to use in the script doesn't work. Is yours manually setup with fib tool on the opening range plot?
thanks for your help and this insightful thread.
Not a problem. I went ahead and posted my 1 minute chart during this time frame to maybe illustrate a little better. You are correct that the DMA hasn't comitted to the color change until the 2nd to 3rd candle. The change did occur between 9:31 EST - 9:34 EST. My actual entry was 9:32 EST and i used my 1 minute chart to confirm my entry today.
One thing that does help in my entry is the DMA is set to false on bar close. This does give an advanced signal as to which way it may be heading. The DMA will twitch the color change. You must really watch out if you use this though as it will give fake outs as well. But using the 1 minute helped confirm the entry.