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Worth 15 point risk to get 8500 level. Dont remain long below current day low.





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Partly exited, holding rest.


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Change of structure - Exited the rest quantity at entry.


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Death Zone - lure for short trade , but i am calm - no hurry let it be natural and take trade even next day.



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Nothing is changed from yday, trade wisely.



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Now its free.


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Closing at this level. There may be a strike against round number , and failure too.


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Damn - changing to model of failure.
small risk short.



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Week End Status.

As long as bulls hold 8430 MIRZ zone , fair possibility of reaching symmetrical target of 8700.





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Crystal clear - Broken MIRZ.


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So far bulls seems stronger and have taken back their seat. It would be interesting to see how rest of day pans out.



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Yet another upshift on Breakout lines.



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Its tough trade.


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Probably i will get first target, a bunch of overhanging resistance might trim the rally.



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Scratched for break even.


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Breakout Lines shifted down.

8430 MIRZ zone is big advantage to bear now, keep the bulls below this and enjoy.






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Stuck in a good ranging market.




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@vinod

Not mixing the methodology, just for observation. A potentially short setup could not pop-up properly. Though Chikou Span was in free zone but not of type (a) category - Absolute Free Zone. Even if it was considered for short,then comes the risk part. Risk could be in dollar tolerance as it is just 14 point but wait - its big on 1 minute chart at present location if we compare it with surrounding.


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This has been in observation from some time. A wide range climatic type of bar breaks and sets new Breakout Lines. Development in new Breakout Line zone often turns nicely from breakout lines, giving a good Low risk High Reward scalp trade.



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Not mixing the methodology, just for observation. A potentially short setup could not pop-up properly. Though Chikou Span was in free zone but not of type (a) category - Absolute Free Zone. Even if it was considered for short,then comes the risk part. Risk could be in dollar tolerance as it is just 14 point but wait - its big on 1 minute chart at present location if we compare it with surrounding.


Dear devdas,

got ur views. understood .,always wait for right set up with potential risk reward.,BTW how can i get Nifty Data feed for NT? Right now i 'm doing on MCX Segments, but willing to track NIFTY too.(I'think need NSE Trade Terminal for extraction any alternate to do.?)

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Well this day could have turned out as experimental loss day...but my original Long Bias made it. Long bias was not personal but from original 15 minute chart.
After first Long stop out, i got in mood to try Ichimoku on 1 minute. Took 3 losing trade , 2 short and 1 long. One thing i keep in check i should not have high risk. All 3 loosing ichi trades were of 5-6 point excluding comm. Finally what should look like as winner trade emerged and on my original Long bias. I could not enter on pullback to Tenken-Kijun as was away but priority was high at any cost.




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got ur views. understood .,always wait for right set up with potential risk reward.,

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Dear devdas,

Thank you Very much for point out reg Chikou Span..I update My observation..Sorry to interrupt ur thread.





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This MIRZ zone 8480 can be tough to crack, but bulls have shown that they are not out of game. Possibly a big ranging market in development on daily chart.





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Ichi leverage.

Though i could trade today my own way but felt like that i can handle it easily.
Left first short, scratched second long and third short running.
Day may be of limited potential after big day, so an experimental day to have more situation experience on Ichi.
It gives me pleasure of market decide itself what is right side. Cool.





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Damn cool, development let me decide the stop and kumo gives more leverage on developing stop locations.


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Now its free, wanted a dip to 8430...





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Switching, as market suggest.

But honestly understanding of background helped me to act like this.


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Now its free.
No more trade today.






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It is priority of context.... risk on ichi chart was high, but that's not the base. Its MIRZ Long.
Today i have limited time to trade perhaps its the only trade, exiting half and will be trailing rest.
small rectification done on highest MIRZ level to cope with development.





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Kijun is providing now higher stop but leveraging for possibility of higher gain.



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Exited.



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Upshift in breakout lines. Seems daily is forming a rising channel.





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I cant impose any other thought.



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though i am quick to exit, but today i feeling attached to trade. Have not get a reasonable first target. Waiting to see how bad it could turn before it wakeup me to exit



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Closed the trade.


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2nd and last trade. Going towards round number become tough on multiweek high, low volatility region. Specially when projectile has left its trajectory.



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I think i have got simplest management with Ichi, but why should i exit a trade when base is something else. No question of shorting in rectangle , ichi is not the trade signal decider. Finally got the near round.





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I was thinking, how can this projectile will behave so easily similar to yday. And it didn't.

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This is the only trade of today. Against the trend, but with support of entry statistics. Nothing to say how could i hold this in heat. At one moment i thought why i left my friend - "The Trend"
Because it was against the trend , it was very ugly to see on ichi.





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Hi devdas,

Can u brief the Simplest management with Ichi?

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Tried a breakout Long trade and failed. Intuitively i was aware of failure possibility, hence taken with half size.





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Can u brief the Simplest management with Ichi?

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I have yet to regain screentime experience with Ichi. Though certain things are sure.

1) Guard entry with higher time frame. For example if i trade 15 minute so, base is 15 minute and entry will be on 1 minute Ichi.

2) Let some fakeout intentionally passout on 1 minute Ichi after big move on 15 minute. This is area where consolidation happens and Kumo gets thin, twisted and spiraled around price.

3) A good trade is what makes kumo thick, sloping up/down and price rocket away. Make exit first on Tenken-Kijun Cross/ Kijun-Price Cross. Exit rest either by 15 minute chart or by kumo-price breakout in opposite direction.

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I have yet to regain screentime experience with Ichi. Though certain things are sure.

1) Guard entry with higher time frame. For example if i trade 15 minute so, base is 15 minute and entry will be on 1 minute Ichi.

2) Let some fakeout intentionally passout on 1 minute Ichi after big move on 15 minute. This is area where consolidation happens and Kumo gets thin, twisted and spiraled around price.

3) A good trade is what makes kumo thick, sloping up/down and price rocket away. Make exit first on Tenken-Kijun Cross/ Kijun-Price Cross. Exit rest either by 15 minute chart or by kumo-price breakout in opposite direction.

Hi devdas,
Thank you very much for ur explanation., 've to spent more time on live market to understand the Ichi .Anyway reading ur posts reg Nifty..very impressed if u guide to get the datafeed for NSE Segments. Rightnow I'm using only for MCX..I'm not sure to share my mail id to u thru PM is allowed or not..If yes Shall i PM to u?

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Reentered for test of high.


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Now this is free trade , revised upper target.


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Week End status.

Yet to get new higher MIRZ level. Right now there are visible demand zone but they yet to mature as MIRZ.




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Got the first reasonable target, trade is now almost free. I late the entry, do not wanted to be trapped in fake out. Though some charts would have been showing divergence from Friday itself but thats the other thing.








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As i am in the process of "Look what the other world is doing" , which comes the state only if i am sure that everything works with some suitable, personal tweaks , i suddenly came to @DbPhoenix thread and his style of trading via SLA/AMT approach. First impression i got that, perhaps this is the least resistance path which i might be searching for so many time. I am still not sure because i have not exactly looked everything in deep and yet to think in that way. But SLA, in some similarity with horizontal MIRZ levels which i visualize and trade , is superset of that. AMT is nothing new to me. I think to follow in realtime and guage tha possibility to adopt this. I have tried to mark 60 min and daily as per my raw understanding of SLA and that will be incorrect for sure as per what @DbPhoenix 's approach, but i have decided to get hands on this.

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As i am in the process of "Look what the other world is doing" , which comes the state only if i am sure that everything works with some suitable, personal tweaks , i suddenly came to @DbPhoenix thread and his style of trading via SLA/AMT approach. First impression i got that, perhaps this is the least resistance path which i might be searching for so many time. I am still not sure because i have not exactly looked everything in deep and yet to think in that way. But SLA, in some similarity with horizontal MIRZ levels which i visualize and trade , is superset of that. AMT is nothing new to me. I think to follow in realtime and guage tha possibility to adopt this. I have tried to mark 60 min and daily as per my raw understanding of SLA and that will be incorrect for sure as per what @DbPhoenix 's approach, but i have decided to get hands on this.

Btw as i write this trade has changed much.

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Not everyone is going to study the SLA/AMT thoroughly before playing with it. However, it may not be self-evident that there are no wasted words in it; everything counts. This can lead to false starts and false impressions.

To begin at the beginning, one must start with the weekly trend. Many people skip this because they don't see the point to it. However, if one skips this step, the rest of it is left hanging, and the probabilities for successful trades become less and less as the "opportunities" appear to arrive.

I don't know this instrument and haven't characterized it, but in the segment you've provided -- even though it's a daily trend -- the instrument appears to be mean-reverting (if it isn't, then the difficulties begin).

If that is the case, and this is no more than a hypothesis, the trend and channel are as follows:




The SLA and AMT work together, but not necessarily simultaneously. Once you have your channel, your "call to action" comes when price exits this channel. Whether you are there to take advantage of it isn't critical as subsequent opportunities will arise.

But assuming that you are there at the time, you see that though price dipped back into the channel, it rebounded nicely. And at this point, the SLA takes over (think of it as AMT handing the baton to the SLA). What matters now is whether or not price can make a higher high, confirming the retracement. It does, which enables you to draw a demand line. This line is broken, but whether you exit or not depends on the tactics you have in place: price came back a little more than half for this segment, but nowhere near that much for the earlier beginning of the move at 7900. If you know this well, you may be more likely to let it go than if you don't know it well, in which case you'd be more likely to exit the trade (which is one important advantage of characterizing your instrument). Assuming you stay with it, the tentative retracement is confirmed by a higher high.

As you posted an hourly, though, I assume that you'd be using this to enter and not the daily. Again, where you enter depends on whether or not you are there at the time the opportunity presents itself. If you're not, then the odds of being stopped out increase the longer you wait to enter.

These are the first opportunities to enter after price pokes through the top of that daily trend channel on the 29th:




Most of the lines you had drawn were unnecessary. The least amount of information one needs to make a decision is preferable to an information overload. In this case, if you've taken the retracement on the 13th after the break of the supply line, you needn't do anything else once it's confirmed other than track it. As for whether or not the retracement should be taken at all, it's worth noting that it occurs just at or just above the halfway level of the previous upmove, at 8375. This shifts the odds of a successful entry just slightly more in your favor.

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To begin at the beginning, one must start with the weekly trend. Many people skip this because they don't see the point to it. However, if one skips this step, the rest of it is left hanging, and the probabilities for successful trades become less and less as the "opportunities" appear to arrive.

I had all three chart weekly , daily and hourly on my workspace, but intentionally didnt posted as its implication to me were clear. Though here it is.





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Once you have your channel, your "call to action" comes when price exits this channel. Whether you are there to take advantage of it isn't critical as subsequent opportunities will arise.

But assuming that you are there at the time, you see that though price dipped back into the channel, it rebounded nicely. And at this point, the SLA takes over (think of it as AMT handing the baton to the SLA). What matters now is whether or not price can make a higher high, confirming the retracement.

Basically as new play with SLA/AMT i am directly inclined to reach the point where i ask myself how and when/where to enter in real time. I understand your concern that its not your viewed instrument and certainly i have not unlearn the things which are trying to hog my attention. I have marked more decision points where i am trying to visualize how should i approach at that point in realtime. Your insight is most sought and welcome.

First decision confusion comes ( now at seeing it in hindsight ) : Why should i act on Long 1 , 2 and 3 when its still not made higher high and confirm the leg as retracement ? Are those actions solely on the poking and bouncing off of the daily channel line ?


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It does, which enables you to draw a demand line. This line is broken, but whether you exit or not depends on the tactics you have in place: price came back a little more than half for this segment, but nowhere near that much for the earlier beginning of the move at 7900. If you know this well, you may be more likely to let it go than if you don't know it well, in which case you'd be more likely to exit the trade (which is one important advantage of characterizing your instrument). Assuming you stay with it, the tentative retracement is confirmed by a higher high.

Demand line broke twice , once after 4,5 and second time after 6 and 6'. If i wait for retracement to be confirm than 4 and 5 are my entry points. Since as you pointed out correctly my instrument is sort more of mean reversiont type and knowing other aspect about opening gaps filling nature i might stay in trade after 4 ,5. But on other note to be conservative one should liquidate as it broke last higher swing low ?
Now Decision point 6 and 6' : It confirms the retracement and we fanned the demand line. Now 6 as breakout entry or 6' as retracement to demand line entry ?

Another view comes from channel under development which can be readily activated after after it broke demand line second time. In this view 6 and 6' location appear as rejection and perhaps exit for that too. It again depends on personal tactics and instrument characterization. But this channel comes handy in saving short at channel bottom at 7 ?
If one dont draw channel and enters the short 7, then 8 comes as exit from short ? or it still will be in broad range and could only be exit at 9 on higher high. 9 and 9' are clear.

I just wrote the confusion which arrived in my mind as if i would have been in real time. Certainly it would be of more intense in real time than of at present writing but i am open to learn SLA/AMT and have decided to poke more in real time from next day.






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I had all three chart weekly , daily and hourly on my workspace, but intentionally didnt posted as its implication to me were clear. Though here it is.






Basically as new play with SLA/AMT i am directly inclined to reach the point where i ask myself how and when/where to enter in real time. I understand your concern that its not your viewed instrument and certainly i have not unlearn the things which are trying to hog my attention. I have marked more decision points where i am trying to visualize how should i approach at that point in realtime. Your insight is most sought and welcome.

First decision confusion comes ( now at seeing it in hindsight ) : Why should i act on Long 1 , 2 and 3 when its still not made higher high and confirm the leg as retracement ? Are those actions solely on the poking and bouncing off of the daily channel line ?



Demand line broke twice , once after 4,5 and second time after 6 and 6'. If i wait for retracement to be confirm than 4 and 5 are my entry points. Since as you pointed out correctly my instrument is sort more of mean reversiont type and knowing other aspect about opening gaps filling nature i might stay in trade after 4 ,5. But on other note to be conservative one should liquidate as it broke last higher swing low ?
Now Decision point 6 and 6' : It confirms the retracement and we fanned the demand line. Now 6 as breakout entry or 6' as retracement to demand line entry ?

Another view comes from channel under development which can be readily activated after after it broke demand line second time. In this view 6 and 6' location appear as rejection and perhaps exit for that too. It again depends on personal tactics and instrument characterization. But this channel comes handy in saving short at channel bottom at 7 ?
If one dont draw channel and enters the short 7, then 8 comes as exit from short ? or it still will be in broad range and could only be exit at 9 on higher high. 9 and 9' are clear.

I just wrote the confusion which arrived in my mind as if i would have been in real time. Certainly it would be of more intense in real time than of at present writing but i am open to learn SLA/AMT and have decided to poke more in real time from next day.

Boy, you've been paying attention. This is pretty good.

For the moment, I'd like not to answer your specific questions. People who are new to this, and a lot who are not so new to it, get so tied up in lines and retracements and reversals and whatnot that they choke on them. The most important considerations are (a) how well you know your instrument and (b) how much influence fear has. Most if not all beginners wildly underestimate the advantages of becoming intimately familiar with one instrument and trading the hell out of it. If one doesn't know his instrument extremely well, he is far more likely to be thrown out of a perfectly good trade because he doesn't know what to expect. And if fear is sitting on his shoulder poking him with a fork, that makes things even worse.

The lines track the balances and imbalances between demand and supply. It's up to the trader to know his instrument well enough to judge whether a given imbalance is serious or not. The beginner, particularly one who hasn't characterized his instrument, should exit as soon as the line is broken, as should the damaged trader who's afraid of his own shadow. The most important consideration for the latter is to rack up some successes. The most important consideration for the former is to learn to take control of his trading and not just sit their like a wart and let the market make all his decisions for him.

The trader who knows his instrument, though, isn't going to freak out and imagine ruin just because a line has been broken, particularly as the line is in the market solely due to its being drawn against swing lows. Otherwise the line is in the trader's head. The price movement itself is in the market. Which is why the swing points matter more than the line.

Therefore, if you can wait for price to test the last swing low (or high, if short), a violation of that will mean far more than the breaking of a line. Or you may want to allow price to drop all the way to the halfway level of the previous upmove to test buyers' resolve. Or you may choose to exit if price breaks that last swing low with the intention of re-entering if price holds above that halfway level and resumes its upmove. This is more risk management than trade management, though there are elements of both.

AMT has some influence here and it can keep you in a trade that you might otherwise exit if price were flailing all over the place. If you are trading a range or a channel and you have every reason to expect price to reach one extreme or the other, then you can more comfortably just leave it alone, though if you're trading multiple contracts, you may choose to lighten up a little.

But this is the essence of trading price: focusing on what price is doing rather than what an indicator or envelope or bar or candle or line is telling you that price is doing. If and when you're able to judge by traders' behavior as it is manifested in price behavior whether or not you're in trouble, you'll be able to stay in these trades to their natural conclusion rather than allow fear or ignorance of the instrument to make those decisions for you.

Blah Blah Blah

Now. If you can answer some of your questions yourself as a result of all the above, great. Repost the leftovers if you like and we can take it from there.

One point to consider: you don't have an hourly channel until the 8th. At that time, however, if your instrument is mean-reverting, there's no reason not to include that information when deciding whether or not to exit your short and trade the reversal. If you do exit the short and take the reversal and it all comes unglued, there should be no disaster if you anticipate this possibility and decide ahead of time what you're going to do in the event of an exit through the lower limit of the channel, i.e., trade the breakout or wait for a retracement. Or, as it will under those circumstances have stopped trending, you may decide to do nothing until price decides what it's going to do. When it knows, it'll let you know.

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Yday EOD status.

MIRZ levels popped out. There is a miniature level around 8540 which might come in picture if it fall today with possible confluence of 5Day VWAP/VAL, but let it be there.





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It freezes me for a moment what happened.





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Scratched that short for small profit. It was not on my track.


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In trying to capture short i really missed the context and better Long entry location.


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Made it free.


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I do not wanted to mention you for every small change that occur on chart. But just to have a look and conserve an opinion which we may exchange in weekend. My understanding and characterization of Instrument is major edge for perception i employ and use to trade. I do not wanted to take advantage of that in SLA. As i already well know usage of AMT, separating everything in its own bin is challenging task. And when i see as a whole and look on absolute purpose of trading then i ask myself why should i separate them and subdued one over other ? But then comes the rules and discipline which help strain and must be followed without intervening.

So, here i have marked some things for assistance of my own which will be evaluated by market in due course. Honestly as a pure SLA, i think there is no short TO at present better say it need to wait for more information. I might be wrong on this with formation of LH-LL, which i think should be utilize for conservative exit from prior longs.



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I do not wanted to mention you for every small change that occur on chart. But just to have a look and conserve an opinion which we may exchange in weekend. My understanding and characterization of Instrument is major edge for perception i employ and use to trade. I do not wanted to take advantage of that in SLA. As i already well know usage of AMT, separating everything in its own bin is challenging task. And when i see as a whole and look on absolute purpose of trading then i ask myself why should i separate them and subdued one over other ? But then comes the rules and discipline which help strain and must be followed without intervening.

So, here i have marked some things for assistance of my own which will be evaluated by market in due course. Honestly as a pure SLA, i think there is no short TO at present better say it need to wait for more information. I might be wrong on this with formation of LH-LL, which i think should be utilize for conservative exit from prior longs.

There's no need to separate the two. As I've said, the SLA and AMT work together. However, the SLA works best in trends. If the trader has difficulty telling the difference between trending and ranging, the SLA tells him by stopping him out twice in succession, with a higher low and a lower high (or vice-versa). He then stops until the instrument exits the chop.

With respect to trend channels, AMT will show you where the limits are -- whether the channel is lateral or diagonal -- and the trader can enter reversals off those limits. Unless the range is wide, there's no time for retracements: by the time a retracement occurs, you're most likely near the opposite extreme. In this case, price has not yet reached the upper limit of your channel, key word being "yet". If price has reversed and is on its way to the lower limit instead, you're still showing a profit from the entry off the previous reversal, if you entered it correctly. If price breaks below that lower limit, then of course you have to exit. But AMT helps to keep you in trades rather than tossing you out like "pure" SLA would.

An important objective is to find every excuse for staying IN the trade, not for getting out of it. Otherwise you will never take full advantage of a trending move. An equally important objective, however, is to not lose money. If you enter correctly and manage the trade correctly, any loss will be trivial. But if you enter correctly and manage the trade correctly, the odds of profit are greater than the odds of loss due to how the SLA/AMT works.

Watching price come back toward you is difficult unless and until you learn to focus on what price is doing rather than on your trade. The market couldn't care less about your trade. It's going to do what it does. It's up to you to put its behavior in context. If, for example, price breaks below the last swing low, that tells you something about the state of strength v. weakness. If price breaks below the lower limit of your range or channel, that also tells you something about the state of strength v. weakness. What you do about it is up to you. The market doesn't care. But if decisions are made based on one's trades rather than on what price is doing, he really isn't trading price: he's just protecting himself.

It's a little late to be talking about observation at this point, but observation helps to drive home the difference between observing price objectively and rationally and observing it in terms of what it's doing in relation to some trade that one put on. If one can't observe and evaluate price's behavior without regard to any trade that he may or may not be in, then he will have a great deal of difficulty trading price without using a lot of tricks (indicators, patterns, etc.)

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Doing some chart reviews and zoomed out on yours. You're much more familiar with this than I am as I'm not familiar with it at all. However, one can see that price found support at that last weekly low and that it's dead center in the last upmove.

No way to know which way it's going to go. You're in a better position to make those judgements than I am. But it's always a good idea to back away and avoid getting tied up in trivial movements.



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This was a bang - bang day for me. I did what it looked like at the moment. First morning Long, then a Short and then again Long. Last it gave me impression that bulls have taken back their seat and they are determined to make more upside.
The hourly channel i drew is no more valid in the sense it was drawn but i would not lie that was the base of morning Long. I could scalp second Short but become greedy. Overall, i had not expected this V recovery today , mostly we see climatic consolidation for major portion of the day and then decisive move latter. In that regard what i gained is OK. Regarding last Long , i am undecided to carry it or not because it would look ugly below MIRZ level 8580-75.









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That completed my day, not willing to hold it more. Will see next day.




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Bulls should hold the lower MIRZ level 8580-75. But they are giving sign of early weakness. If that happen ( trade below MIRZ ) then chances of yday being "Late bulls" will increase. In that case it will become upside down and towards lower breakout line - just a remote possibility.

I was observer today, no trade taken. Was thinking to Short , Long both at some point but could not pull trigger. Just was confuse with all.




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Taking support for time being from prior MIRZ levels.





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That's starting to look like a moving average

If trading price here, though, you'd see that the stride of this particular segment is broken just after your last green dot. Price then retreats to the median of this channel, then rallies to attempt a continuation. Instead it makes a lower high. What one does here is a matter of choice, though holding on to the long is probably not the best one. If one's experience with this particular instrument tells him that there's going to be a lot of chop in this area, then just get out and stand aside until price reaches the opposite extreme and either reverses or breaks through. Or ignore the channel entirely and short the triple top on 7/23. Again, familiarity with the instrument should be extremely helpful, but it's also important to keep in mind that the channel is in your head; the triple top exists outside of you, in the market. So if pressed as to which to trust in real time, especially as price failed twice to reach the upper limit of the channel, I'd go with the triple top.

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That's starting to look like a moving average

If trading price here, though, you'd see that the stride of this particular segment is broken just after your last green dot. Price then retreats to the median of this channel, then rallies to attempt a continuation. Instead it makes a lower high. What one does here is a matter of choice, though holding on to the long is probably not the best one. If one's experience with this particular instrument tells him that there's going to be a lot of chop in this area, then just get out and stand aside until price reaches the opposite extreme and either reverses or breaks through. Or ignore the channel entirely and short the triple top on 7/23. Again, familiarity with the instrument should be extremely helpful, but it's also important to keep in mind that the channel is in your head; the triple top exists outside of you, in the market. So if pressed as to which to trust in real time, especially as price failed twice to reach the upper limit of the channel, I'd go with the triple top.


Well there will be as many as view as many as trader and instrument, but with a pinch of salt.

First, honestly i was not ( and most often do not ) trading channel and neither i was seeing that as double/triple top. I was still trading my own method of simply seeing how price is behaving wrt MIRZ levels. I have to go back in history of this journal back in 2012 when i first realized that there can be an animal which i will call "MIRZ" which i might see as SuperSet of Support/Resistance-Supply/Demand. This thought too came from characterization of my instrument. MIRZ stand for "Movement In Restricted Zone". Ahh... you can feel the holy grail idea - if you were allowed to go where you were restricted in past, probably you will play wild. ....you would like to explore more in that zone...will make more move in that area. Simple !!

Second, MIRZ levels clearly bonds with balanced activity. Some volatility zone represent very clear cut ( like this current one ) relationship between MIRZ and balanced activity. And all of sudden clocks over and price start to play more beyond MIRZ level. This you see in your way as AMT handed baton to SLA. I have marked AMT zone well sandwiched between two MIRZ level and resultant SLA afterward.

Coming to finer points a , b , c , d and e. I see "a-b" auction as "Early Bear" - not in hindsight but conclusively at "c" because they could not protect their sole purpose of dragging the price down and lost their hill too. I had traded Long from "b" in 22-7 that has nothing to do with "Early Bear". My call was simply based on characterization of Instrument, tactics and bounce from buried down sloping channel. Now its time for bulls to maintain their win and not to prove themselves as "Late Bulls". In that sense i was seeing "c"as HH of original rally which started from point 1. And "c-d" as pullback. Even i was little confused on 23-7 and stayed away from taking any trade. This was smell of some thing different than expected in that situation. Ideally price should not come to "e" on 24-7 , if by chance then should have bounced from opening - but didnt , this was a major alarm bell for me as MIRZ trader. It spent time their as if preparing to play in new zone. Hence "e" was trigger point for short.

If you look my charts , there are many things MAs, Wide range bar marker , GomMP etc and different on others. None of them i use as decision helper. They were the helper in past to get stand me and mostly i use new things to maintain fun in trading.






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Current EOD status.

Generated a nearest MIRZ zone near 8400-8410.




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An obvious trading range, not tough to gauge the timings of these AMT areas , very common with NF.



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Not much optimism , but scale out and manage is better on this yday trade.


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Closing this and staying away.


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EOD status.

Friday will be with Aug Series prices. Due to premium probably opening itself will be looking like continuation of bullish structure. I think upper MIRZ will be fair to gauge the strength of bear, and bulls if hold lower MIRZ they will have chance of more upmove in next week. Right at this spot , i am not decisive for any side. Perhaps scalp turn larger trade might work.



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I took very delayed decision for position. Structure was not a call for scalp trade so had to see it with other risks of larger trade. So no point in placing day type stop like so far day low, but as it has managed to sustain MIRZ , this will be an alarm for this long, and possibly this trade has no value below lower MIRZ.


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Its yet not given any reason to act in regard of already positioned except rejection from previous MIRZ.
On a little larger structure , its not the hold below 8480, hence thats the fair exit if happens.





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I could hold, but emotions took over and exited near 8468. At the end i thought, is this chance for re-entry ? I could not, felt cheated cleverly.


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Options can be better used for low risk - high reward entry in already set premise.
Rectangle comes with just 2 point risk and pullback was better visible under wide bar on 15-minute.


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Nearest MIRZ is near 7860. May be tough to breach, but above that possibility of going near 7960 increases.
Otherwise its already bearish below it.



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A good ( ummm.... i was not using till date as was not trading multiple instrument , but now with inclusion of trade on Options it become must ) NT feature.
I am using same signal criteria on different periodicity so that i do not miss rare signals
Obviously final decision is of trader - to act or not but atleast it must come for appraisal.

Higher periodicity signal will be worth more reliable than lower periodicity signal. Like , i track mostly Nifty-Activity(250) ( not included in Analyzer , as its always in front of me ) so buy signal on Activity(350) is of important.

Some Options ( I - Call , U - Put ) simultaneously trigger and support the trade on base instrument as well as individually.


First buy signal in first hour bottom







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Tired of backtesting this week. Pathetic results.

Lost confidence heavily, things that worked superb discretionary failed measurably in backtesting.

Feeling like, i have fallen from top and have to restart journey.


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I stuck in a trap during last backtesting of strategies which affected my view a little but not much to bother.
Its spinning me round and i am waiting for the day when this illusion settle down.
I am facing a nostalgic feeling of my old approach , one of them was trend days try to produce range extension in their direction and this magnifies when one extreme already touching the MIRZ level.





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In subsequent some post i will try to explain the method and my view on (this) particular chart (template) that i use for my execution. I started using this because i like this and more so most elements are designed or tweaked by me. There are some idle things also on this chart , which i do not use mostly or in other word use on different circumstances. If my discussion do not involve some element that simply means that particular element is/are irrelevant to current approach or circumstances.

Ok , my focus for this particular explanation is on

1) Trend
2) Pullback
3) Post Trend establishment scenario.
4) Post Pullback end scenario.

I am not going to define the trend/pullback , they have user dependent meaning and view. Let me quickly concentrate on 3) and 4) in perspective of 1) and 2) from "my view of this chart".

3) Post Trend establishment scenario - Trend Continues
4) Post Pullback end scenario - Trend Resumes ( continues )

funny.

Because this explanation is multi-post , so i will add meanings to it, step by step and slowly and same chart will be posted with different new information in different post. This helps to encapsulate each information separately and clearly.

So now first very basic , baby meaning and feature. Read below and look the chart and wait for next post for more.
See its baby step, dont try to Stand , Walk or run on own right on this information , you will fall down

1) Trend - Color ( Blue or Red )
2) Pullback - Anti-Color after Trend Color ( Red or Blue )
3) Post Trend establishment scenario - White Color ( white space )
4) Post Pullback end scenario - White Color

There is very thin distinction between Trend and Pullback -> Pullback is a truncated counter Trend.
So readers who dont have idea ( obviously they dont have ) about how these color zones are drawing , will have first very basic question ( apart from how these are drawing ) - "How can color decide which is Trend and which is pullback" ?

Answer : "Color is not deciding , rather its my view towards it that is giving the meaning to colors" .



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I am not sure if its correct way for this announcement but...

I have decided to sell some of my stuffs and services.
I have not yet decided the exact way and structure for this but being honest on this step I thought to inform the community.

@Big Mike ,

You can tag me as "Vendor".

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I am not sure if its correct way for this announcement but...

I have decided to sell some of my stuffs and services.
I have not yet decided the exact way and structure for this but being honest on this step I thought to inform the community.

@Big Mike ,

You can tag me as "Vendor".

OK, it's done. If any of the tools you are now selling are shown on the charts in this thread, let me know - so the thread is closed. As a general rule, vendors may not have journals on the forum, but if your thread doesn't mention your business, doesn't mention your product or services or link to your website, and doesn't show the products/tools you sell on your charts, then it's likely fine.

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OK, it's done. If any of the tools you are now selling are shown on the charts in this thread, let me know - so the thread is closed. As a general rule, vendors may not have journals on the forum, but if your thread doesn't mention your business, doesn't mention your product or services or link to your website, and doesn't show the products/tools you sell on your charts, then it's likely fine.

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Ok,

I understand this. Well none of the stuff shown here in my thread are on any type of sell. I will report before any such move.
This thread will continue as before nothing is going to change by Vendor tag.

Btw, i see other vendors have their domain/site address along with Vendor word , is that ok ?

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I understand this. Well none of the stuff shown here in my thread are on any type of sell. I will report before any such move.
This thread will continue as before nothing is going to change by Vendor tag.

Btw, i see other vendors have their domain/site address along with Vendor word , is that ok ?

Yes, but I need the name.

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Thank you for all the effort and diligence placed on this thread.

The basis of your techniques, personally...are based on how you see the market interact with HVA/LVA from market profile.
The flaw with market profile... it has no idea which way the supply and demand will go....its assumption.

I also noticed you began adding elements or other filters to assist mentally following a trend or discerning institutional supply/demand areas. This did not answer the "the assumption".

I appreciate your work and seeking to provide "a style of trade plan".

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seeking to provide "a style of trade plan".


Thanx for commnet.

Its not clear, are you offering the trade plan to me or asking for one from me ?

If you are offering then please share without hesitation.


Yes i do add/remove trading element in form of technical indicator or structural element , reason for this are two mainly

1) Nothing is perfect and a particular structural element has its own scope of work ability. It cant work in all situation same way.

2) I love to code simple indicators , i understand they are of not much help but they engage me with market and charts.


If i look for the trend definition of type rising/falling candle or HH/HL etc then i never get comfortable with it. I look for the symptoms of impending trends from events/incidents that price makes on chart. You can say its form of PA but i have a habit of doing everything in my own way.

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One day it had to come, so thought why not sooner than later.......

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Early upmove attemp making first step towards MIRZ





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Week end summary , approaching nearest MIRZ. Next course of trend decider level.





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Week End summary.

Seems its foundation of budget rally. Now its unlikely to sustain below 7400. a local bottom is formed.







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