i hope too see timefreedom or programer post some charts for comparison this week -not worried about the trades just there thoughts through the charts -like starts -exits -or why there exited -jumpers -secondary charts they may watch to keep them in a trade or get them out when the gettings good -
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Tomorrow will be July 30th, the 212th day of the year with 154 days to follow, we will also be in the 31st week of 2012
he wanted to know how i would use these numbers for the ma's today -its all in what i see that day in a number -12 and 30 +31+1+5+4+2+2 =75
so 12/ 75 remember its the system -of the floating ma -the numbers have to be in a range with the chart you choose to keep your 7 tick risk at a maximum -and to allow you to enter as many trades in a day as possible in the 7 tick risk zone - so if you try to trade a 10 min chart using those #s with our outlined risk it most likely wont work -
but if your desire for risk is 4 points it may work all the time -
dial in the chart your comfortable in using for speed of your style -then work on your ma's combination thats works with the 7 tick risk ,or lower risk, if thats even better- then back test it on every stock ,and futures chart until your satisfied with your results -you will learn that you have dialed in a chart style that yours and only yours -untill you share it with 30,000 friends :tape:
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here is a segament of chart from today -if you ever wonder why a trade goes against you -right after you enter the easy edge system can show you the answer-
1- you short 1384 per system -the trade goes in our favor all of 1 full point -
2-trade goes long @ 1383.75 -you dont know this system and the trade is now 3.5 points against you -
whenn the proper thing to do was exit out of the short and go long after only 1 tick of profit -
i guess what i am trying to show is why a trade goes wrong -please also refer to post 470 and 527
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we had to make and adjustment to F16 's trading account -for the past 2 weeks she was letting me know her drag and drop function was not working anymore -
for example - 7 tick hard stop could not be dragged up or down to make it a fast 2 or 3 tick loss -everytime she did the drag and drop it would pop back to the 7 tick spot -so we added a contract to the account -so now we have 2 available but will still use 1 for trading and bracket orders and the 2 nd one will be used for emergency purposes only -
always remain flexible
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a few system turns on another low volume day - congrates to timefreedom for noting we rolled to a 400 tick chart due to volume -a few good runners in this tight range
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F16 was skyping with timefreedom while she was in this trade -it was a jumper and we were watchin the A&D which was confirming to me to hold the long position -after a long wait she banked 5 ticks
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hi! F16
This morning, i went short at 80.50 and i got out at 77.5 before the news. I would have stayed in but creeker didn't trust the news.
Next I went long at 75 well after the news andgot out at 79.00 when the trend line broke.
There was a break in the trend and I wanted to get out but creeker said to stay in...something about the a&d chart and how it looked.
We are taking a break now till after the news.
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f16 sim tested today from start to finish - she had to chart and trade -and find the balance of where her focus had to be at any given time - she tried to take every move she saw and was in the red at first by nearly 7 points -realizing that once she placed a trade her focus went to the money and not the chart -so we had her set her hard stop to redirect her focus to the next setup and ended up on the sim 287.50 or 5.75 points -a great day for her first try at both sides -
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good morning espi:
creeker wanted me to explain a 'jumper' since i have a hard time seeing these live.
A jumper is when the ma crosses the trend line BUT doesn't cross the other ma and turns back toward the direction it came from. The blue line is a price level line to show where the ma came back up to where it first crossed over the trend. When this happens, you need to re evaluate and possibly reverse. I hope this makes sense.
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in regards to jumper poste-shows no sign of weakness to give a verifiable short
anyone trying to auto trade this system will get stopped out in these areas consistently- so be careful
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someone on a skype chat asked me this question and he/she said it was ok to post over here.
Here is my question: does price have to cross the blue line or does the ma have to cross the blue line to make it a jumper? Usually, price will cross first, then the ma. Sometimes, price will cross, but the ma does not. So again, is it price that has to cross the blue line or the ma to make it a jumper? Thanks.
[11:39:50 AM] : the ma has to cross to make it a jumper...but it doesn't mean it will do it just means you have to watch it, thats why i don't like these and they are confusing to me. creekteach wants to know if i can post your question on mikes without your name and then answer it over there.
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[2:24:58 PM] How do you guys draw your lines on the A&D chart? I know you're using fib retracements, but not sure how you get the lines set.
[2:27:41 PM] : go back 10 days-find highest high and lowest low-set your fibs at 0, 100, 50 - keep splitting every signal box until you have 250-300 point total bewteen lines per level- 0 never ends up on zero-kinda funny
Also, the picture below is a trade where i got in at 89.00 system entry. Freakycreaky didn't like it because it gave my entry too easy so he told me to take 2 ticks and get out.
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here are a few pics of my best guess auto trading the 30 min es -using 2 points slippage each way of ma break and a 15 point stop for obvious reasons - not bad results for the big money managers .
even at 17.50 per weekly ave of profit for 52 weeks -that 910 es points or 45,500 dollars per contract -
remember your results may be different -as my results are from past experiance
but its easily back tested
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a few future targets to squash the shorts just a little bit more -
f16 will be doing her thing and I will be running the 5 min chart using the 6/21 as my moving ave combination -remember the ma's are always corrolated to time and distance -
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5 min chart setup -good support and max target fot the zone -remember when you set these target zones up there are many lines that can be quickly deleted -or do as i do -and learn to see the 3 that count
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okay, here's a perfect pic of a floating trend line move to the new same low.
here's the before and after picture....and it also turned into a downward jumper, notice the blue jumper line to where it came back to the original cross over entry.
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another jumper in a flat zone - lost 1 tick -- i was asked why i call them jumpers -because if you dont watch them -they will come back and bite you in the A$$
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I have approximate answers, possible beliefs and different degrees of certainty of different things. But I'm not absolutely sure of anything and there are many things i don't know anything about.
thanks for the question- it does not get shifted into place until the chart shows we must prepare to shift into the break even zone - i never like to tempt the market to test my levels -the funny part not that it is so funny -is this - i had completely forgot i had taken that last short till i went and pulled up the ladder on that account -was very busy today -may take a day or 2 off - hope this helps with your question
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here is and early screening of the es -remember as stated in earlier post -this setup works in all markets -now here is aa tip for the programers to help dial in there computer model to match ours - my trendlines -if you count the trendlines that go north and the trendlines that go south you can find which way the market is weighted and trade accordingly -there is also a very simple way to program this so your system will let you know when its balanced or ready for a reversal -but you will figure it out over time -
We have had over 120 people from this site thank us for sharing this system with then -so for those who have found improvement in there trading -do what we do every so often -
when we are grocery shopping we randomly pay for someones groceries -we always catch someone that is just about complete and tell the check out person we are paying the bill -the reaction is worth the little bit it cost -let alone the smiles in the end
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i was have a conversation the other week -and explaining that i had never seen a 4 x cross - and the person said when you do you better go all in -lol
time will tell if it has any more bearing that a 3x cross -
but if you had it charted -you still could have tried a short -or wait up all night for the signals to meet and enter the trade
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meancreekie had me chart out the last 4 days on a 5 minute chart to show me how long a trade can last because I am getting bored and impatient with them. I plotted the times and how much profit each took off the 5 minute chart. Please note that the orange markers on chart 3 were the only trades taken. Others were there for my understanding. creeker says if Im getting fidgety in this week then maybe some others are too. Still wondering if I could have stayed in some of these trades for an hour and made only a few ticks! pppfffft! I sometimes think he keeps me around just for the dictating and typing.
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made some minor adjustments for today - es 5 min chart - 12/42 ma cross- still range bound as the nearly equal upper and lower trendline count confirms -would like to see some nice up and down movement today instead of the hours of sideways chop
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i guess i should clarify this better - if we get another choppy day i am watching the 12/42 to try and stay out of the chop while playing the 6/21 -its just to see if f16 can try and ride the trades longer by having a slightly longer timeline
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my two pics are both a 5 minute chart with different ma's. the first pic is ma's 12/42 and teh second is ma's 6/21. creekgeek is having me chart the highs and lows to see when the the boxes on both charts line up to give me a stronger indication of a long or short entry. the blue boxes is when it lines up. it can also tell me how long to stay in the trade by matching up the blue boxes and ignoring the yellow ones along the way. I hope this makes sense to someone bc im a little confused.
we will let you know how it turns out today.
its yucky and raining here puppy is going to get real wet today
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chart #2 is a technical downtrend. we were looking for the short which is marked on chart #1. Chart 1 has the MA of 6/21 and Chart @ has MA of 12/42. Because we were in a tech downtrend on chart 2 we were focused on looking for a short at open. now we are waiting to see if we get a double reversal signnal on both charts.
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f16
ok...chart 1 was used for my entry and now i have crossover trend line on both charts and im gonna do my best to ride them and stay in the long trade until both systems show short setups.
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ok...i am reposting bc i forgot to put the pic up with the bar.
ok...the A's on both chart represent the time you have b4 the ma crosses trend. they are pretty much the same on both charts. hmmmmmmm
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the chart has given us a signal exit bc the 12/42 ma's have crossed. but since they crossed on an uptrend, we will continue to hold the position. but at this time we should have a system exit and gone short at 13.97 but i don't feel the short is valid bc the cross occurred above jumper.
ps. i taught creeker how to embed today!
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Forget the reasons creekiedictator "cd" keeps you around and don't stop soaking up the opportunity like a sponge. This experience is a turning point in your life bigger than you can imagine right now. But I'm confident you already knew this little detail and were just horsing around from the
Why don't you invest in one of those spiral notebooks you take to class with you and use it as your own personal journal?! Then you can tell cd and the rest of the world:
the next series of post are for option traders -
we hope to show how and why on day trades - swing trades on a 1 day chart and also swingtrades on a 3 day chart -work or fail and hopefully any option traders will learn to wait your turn to enter and exit your trades -and not use the 1 way wait and see what happens system-
on the following charts orange is long and pink is short -all exits are the last high and there are a few stopouts marked - there will be 16 charts to look at
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option traders study and setup your own charts and you will learn your direction and risk
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F16 
espi: 
had me chart out the last 4 days on a 5 minute chart to show me how long a trade can last because I am getting bored 
and impatient with them. 
I plotted the times and how much profit each took off the 5 minute chart. Please note that the orange markers on chart 3 were the only trades taken. Others were there for my understanding. creeker says if Im getting fidgety 
in this week then maybe some others are too. Still wondering 
if I could have stayed in some of these trades for an hour 
and made only a few ticks! pppfffft! I sometimes think he keeps me around just for the dictating and typing.
to see when the the boxes on both charts line up to give me a stronger indication of a long or short entry. the blue boxes is when it lines up. it can also tell me how long to stay in the trade by matching up the blue boxes and ignoring the yellow ones along the way. I hope this makes sense to someone bc im a little confused. 
puppy is going to get real wet today 
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keeps you around and don't stop soaking up the opportunity like a sponge. This experience is a turning point in your life bigger than you can imagine right now.
But I'm confident you already knew this little detail and were just horsing around from the 
journal
?! Then you can tell cd and the rest of the world: 
