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Grinding it out in the Stock Market

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Grinding it out in the Stock Market

Hey Everyone,

It has been my intention to have a public journal for awhile now and decided March Madness would be a good time to start.

I trade US equities. Any positions are closed out by the end of the day. Each trading day I will post my P/L. I'm going to post dollar amounts opposed to percentages as real money made or lost, unequivocally, connects to the psychological component. Being a discretionary trader, without a rigid system, I intend to focus a great deal of this journal on the psychological aspect of trading. I will also post charts of entries and exits for some of my trades. I plan to focus on any particularly good or bad trades.

My hope for this journal is that it helps me develop into a better trader and that others can learn from my journey.

Starting account value: $26,731

If at any point my account value falls below $25,000 I will stop trading. If this occurs I will take a step back and reevaluate. Live to trade another day.

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P/L: +$94

Today wasn't a great day. Gave a lot back on some very bad trades. The most frustrating part is that as I made these trades I knew I was making bad decisions, but that didn't stop me. I would much rather lose money making good trades that go against me then to lose money making trades I know from the start I shouldn't be taking.

I attached screen-shots of three stocks I traded today with commentary.

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Trading Plan

You say you were making bad trades even though you knew it. So the question is do you have a WRITTEN TRADING PLAN? You can not expect to be profitable unless you have a trading plan that spells out:

The type of trades (i.e gaps, reversals breakouts, etc)

How much risk on each trade?

How many shares/contract will you buy?

How much loss will you take before you stop out? (you should have this answer before entering any trade!)

What time of day do you plan to trade for the instrument you trade? each type of instrument has a best time to trade ie.e Stocks 9:30 - 11:00 EST.

Are you keeping an excel spread sheet of your trades? You say you gave a lot back, were you trading in the lunch hour? You should only be taking trades from 09:30-11:00 and 2:45 -4:00 EST.

you should also take a screen shot of your good trades and bad trades and file them in a folder on your computer so you can review the trades that were profitable and the trades that weren't .

Why are you trading an expensive stock like AAPL????? this stock can move $4 in an instant. if you have less than $100K in your account stick to stocks that are $10 - $30

The liz Clayborne where did you enter?? I would have entered at bar 2 after the open with a stop just below the low of bar 2 and held until $11 why did you go short on this high monentum Long stock? The odds were to the long side. Also what time frame are you using? You should have a 1min,15min, & Daily chart for intra day trading and trade in the direction of the 15 minute chart, using the daily for S&R points!

Same goes for Microsoft, the breakout was clearly to the upside, why did you go short? Are you using just technical indicators to trade, most indicators are garbage and will give a signal after the fact in real time markets? What time frames are you using to base your decisions on?


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Thanks for the advice the edge. I have a trading plan in place, but definitely need to focus more on it. I think I will write some of my hard set rules on sticky notes and put them up on my monitor. I'm already taking a screen-shot of every trade to save and review. It's a great way to review what works and what doesn't and see where my strengths and weaknesses are.

AAPL is one of my favorite stocks to trade. It has great liquidity. Just because its share price is in the 500s doesn't make it more risky. My position is typically 20 shares.

For LIZ, I didn't pull up the chart until towards the end of the day. I know the odds were to the long side, but I thought shorting the second failure of breaking the HOD was a decent setup. I find great setups shorting the huge post earnings run-up. I usually wait until mid-day or afternoon to fade these huge % movers and use a tight stop. Nothing moves in a straight line continuously. Plenty of opportunity to trade pull-backs. That being said, trading in the direction of the trend is probably a safer play, but I've been focusing the other side. In the future, I hope to have a system that is split 50-50 reversion trading and trend following as they complement each other nicely.

I'm only using the 5-min chart. I found looking at multiple time frames causes me too much confusion, but I know how successful people can be using multiple time frames for confirmations. My plan is to get really comfortable trading off the 5-min chart before adding more time frames.

I'm not using any indicators.

I forgot to add entries and exits are on the charts I posted (a small horizontal line). Its what IB does by default.


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P/L: +$583

Today was a good day overall. I'm posted two trades with commentary: Zanga (ZNGA) and Shutterfly (SFLY). These trades show two things I need to work on.

1) Trade Management: I need to give my winners room to run. This example is illustrated with ZNGA.

2) Wait for a price reversal to develop. I made two trades in SFLY. In the first trade I bought into a sharp-reversal before the actual reversal started (this always ends badly). The second trade shows how to trade the reversal correctly.

Please see the charts for additional commentary. Trades are the small blue and red horizontal lines (what IB does by default). Speaking of which, does anyone know of something better than MS Paint for annotating charts? I'd like to highlight trades better and all I can really do is a text box.

Have a great weekend everyone!

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Speaking of which, does anyone know of something better than MS Paint for annotating charts?

I use Snagit at work for image capture and annotation. Done by the same people who do Camtasia for video capture. $50 for Snagit, but you can try it out for a 30-day free trial.

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Very nice

I like how you use stocks to work on your skill, instead of a more leveraged and risky instrument. You are cautious and patient, and learn from each trade. You are not only looking for reversals and counter trend trades, but it would be probably a lot better to try "with trend" trades only, at least until the other side proves some strength. Are you taking a trade with a clear stop and target in mind (or on the chart)? Good luck!

Pajot

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P/L +$113

I traded 3 stocks today: SQNM, AAPL and VZ (please see charts and comments in that order).

I only made ONE good trade today. The first trade in SQNM. The trades in AAPL and VZ were ridiculous. In both I averaged down as the trades went against me and used no stop.

When entering a trade I should always use a stop or at least have a mental stop in mind. Whenever a trade is placed NOBODY knows what will happen next. It's that simple. I really need to embrace this and have a plan in place in the event the trade goes against me (as it did in both cases). Averaging down arbitrarily is a sure way to lose money in the long run. From now on every trade I take I will have an exit strategy in place BEFORE entering.

The second thing I want to address is how almost all my trades so far are going against the trend looking for reversals and counter-trends as @Pajot pointed out. Swimming upstream is sure harder than swimming downstream. I shouldn't be fighting the trend. Going forward I will try to make 50% trend trades and 50% counter-trend trades. Each trade I will label as as either an "against the trend trade" or a "trend trade". Once enough trades are made I will go back and see what is working better for me.

I'm a firm believer in adapting a trading style that fits ones personality. For some reason I have been attracted to reversal / counter-trend trades. But for all I know, trend trading could suit me better. I'm going to do both and see which works best.

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P/L: +$268

Solid day. I traded both with the trend and counter-trend. I also did not average down on anything and used stops (two things I have had problems). Please see the attached charts for trades and further discussion.

Two things I noticed today. I will arbitrarily pick a few symbols I know and follow them and force trades. For instance, most days I will trade AAPL. Some days I will trade SQNM. The only reason is because I know the stocks from previous trades.

Trading the same random symbols leads me to forcing trades.

I need to screen and only trade from a watch-list that I consistently update.

Anyone have ideas on good stock screeners? And what should I look for?

I've also signed up for both Ninja and Sierra Charts to test live. I paid for one month of Sierra and 3 months of Ninja. Hopefully I will adapt to one of these two. Honestly, I feel most comfortable with IB TWS. But I will start giving the other two a try and at least rule out one out.

Anyone think one platform is better for stocks? I don't use any indicators at the moment so trade management is most important.

Also, which one has the better scanner? It would be great to be able to scan for intra-day movers like I can with TWS.

Thanks everyone.

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