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How To Trade From 1 lot to 100 lots in a Month Using MMM

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"You Will gain More Motivation Out Of Analyzing
Your Records Than From Any Other Source"
...Frank Bettger


"He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears"


Study your records and work with them. Each day, each week, each month, you will improve.
You will find a way to do the thing that now looks impossible. Meditate on Money Management.
With this plan, you will increase your enthusiasm and it will produce everything!



This Journal is NOT about lines, moving averages, indicators, divergences, market profile, auction theory, swings, volume, price action, psychology or forecasting. There are volumes written about those topics. This journal is all about Maths, simple maths and how I listen to my Inner Being.
In my trading I call it Meditation on Money Management. MMM

There is little chance to get to 100 lots in a month by discovering a holy grail. But!...There is a way using maths and an unholy grail. Most trades will be in the ES and will be DayTrades Only. My goal is to reach 100 lots by end of March.

I trade from Intuition with strict money management. There is no point in asking what indicator I use, you have the same within yourSelf. I Feel the Market Pulse, years of practise, study, and thousands of trades. I Trade auto, not some machine! I will explain my daily routine, how I prepare for the day, what I eat, drink and no-think! I keep a daily journal and have for years, but I will also keep this one for a month.

"If you go to the deepest level of your soul,
you will find nothing but Light, Confidence, Courage, Joy, and
THE ABILITY To Take A RISK!" ...Orin

Years ago a broker was conducting a seminar. He asked his best trader client in the room how he traded. He was a pig farmer. "When the cat sits on the black chair, I buy, and on the cream chair I sell" Is that all? "Well if I'm losing at the emd of the day I get out!" Aah! said the broker...Money Management!

To start at 1 contract and get to 100+ using MMM!...That is my Vision! ... Here is an Example...


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Hilarious!

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HOLY COW & Everyone thought I was nuts?

Good luck to you!!

Please post your live account balance sheet from your broker with all of your account info blacked out of course so we can see your amazing results.

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OK Shivaya...Happy Compounding!

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HOLY COW & Everyone thought I was nuts?

Good luck to you!!

Please post your live account balance sheet from your broker with all of your account info blacked out of course so we can see your amazing results.

This would help no one. The idea here is to learn how to increase size and decrease size, not show "amazing results".

I want traders to wake up to position size, not tweaking their systems for an extra tick. No one can trade the way I do, EVERYONE can apply position size to their trading.

I hope to be able to show that here. That's all!

Thanks for your good luck.

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Shivaya,

I for one am really looking forward to this journal. It's ambitious - but that makes it all the more compelling. Good luck!

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Closed out o'nite positions today. No new trades for this journal.

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If your starting bank is $1000 and you 'bet' 2% max per trade and you make 20 pips a day while never risking more than 10 pips then it would take 160 days to be able to 'bet' 100 lots per trade:


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If your starting bank is $1000 and you 'bet' 2% max per trade and you make 20 pips a day while never risking more than 10 pips then it would take 160 days to be able to 'bet' 100 lots per trade:



As my humble contribution, an Excel sheet to simulate various scenarios. There are a few french words but don't worry they are easy to decipher.

You are correct, so we need another maths set to compound. The point of % risk is to avoid ruin. That is why the largest loser is all important. If I get a new largest loser, everything is recalculated.

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Over the years I noticed that as a new trader I was trading 1 lot per $10,000 of capital profits and as an older trader 1 lot per $50,000 of capital profits.

Why so risk averse?

Mind games! Market ambush when in big position. Freeze when in big position. So I ask myself the question "What is the likelihood of ruin?"

Tha answer is 100% IF I freeze in a losing position. In order to increase size I need a consistent system of trading, know the max size of any loss over large sample and be disciplined to increase/decrease when told.

I noticed I would rather work on systems and analysis than money management.(where the real money lives)

Then I met a trader online who went from trading 2 eminis to 10,000 in a day! Real $. How does he do this? I found no secrets. He always wanted to trade large size. Yep...all in the mind.

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I'm not endorsing your method nor your premise.

However:

It is better to shoot for the Moon and hit the ceiling.

Than to shoot for the ceiling and never get off the floor.

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Closed out o'nite positions today. No new trades for this journal.

Will you be posting your trades / results?

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I'm not endorsing your method nor your premise.

However:

It is better to shoot for the Moon and hit the ceiling.

Than to shoot for the ceiling and never get off the floor.

...

Unless you blow up on the launch pad.

"The day I became a winning trader was the day it became boring. Daily losses no longer bother me and daily wins no longer excited me. Took years of pain and busting a few accounts before finally got my mind right. I survived the darkness within and now just chillax and let my black box do the work."
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Great day to begin. However I've been going in and out of drawdown. Now will have to recover before compounding can start.

I use a percentage of my account for this exercise. Nothing to ride today.

Still on 1-5 contracts.

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Unless you blow up on the launch pad.

Always possible! Would just have to build another rocket.

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Sim is good

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Unless you blow up on the launch pad.

Either way, still on the ground floor.

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The point of my journal is to record my journey from a $10,000 account with $2,000 per lot to start until I gain sufficient profits to let some maths formulas calculate and compound the account. I call it Compound Ratio. (CR)

As soon as I achieve a certain profit the maths will take over. Generally this is 30-60 trades history.

Any good system will do. I could take Perry's system and build a method from that in a short time and then let the Compound Ratio tell me how many lots to trade.

My belief is most traders (myself included) waste too much time tweaking wiggly lines when the road to making real money is in developing a compounding strategy.

I am hoping some traders and programmers will see this and we can get some ideas flowing.

At present I am trading just the one $10,000 account in the ES. I am looking at also trading Gold and Silver and Crude oil, each with $10,000.

I will post some interesting charts as this moves on. For now I am trading to the point where the CR takes over. That is when it gets interesting.

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The point of my journal is to record my journey from a $10,000 account with $2,000 per lot to start until I gain sufficient profits to let some maths formulas calculate and compound the account. I call it Compound Ratio. (CR)

As soon as I achieve a certain profit the maths will take over. Generally this is 30-60 trades history.

Any good system will do. I could take Perry's system and build a method from that in a short time and then let the Compound Ratio tell me how many lots to trade.

My belief is most traders (myself included) waste too much time tweaking wiggly lines when the road to making real money is in developing a compounding strategy.

I am hoping some traders and programmers will see this and we can get some ideas flowing.

At present I am trading just the one $10,000 account in the ES. I am looking at also trading Gold and Silver and Crude oil, each with $10,000.

I will post some interesting charts as this moves on. For now I am trading to the point where the CR takes over. That is when it gets interesting.

I make 90% of my profit on compounding. It is a major key to trading in my opinion. But one thing to keep in mind is a very aggressive delta for contract increase while can be managed safely has a hidden danger. That danger is having to little in your account to cover margin in a black swan or stop jump type event. You may can manage margins fine with an aggressive delta in day to day trading but must consider the above. Stops can be jumped and markets can go down yet underlying still trades while you are locked out of exiting could be pure devastation. I was reminded when that happened on NYMEX a few weeks ago. I had no trades on but there were many here who did and could not exit for an hour on CL.

Lets say every using $500 delta on fixed ratio (increase to 2 contracts $500 profit, 3 contracts after $1000, increase to 4 contracts after $1500 etc. etc..) once get into higher contracts becomes very dangerous. If your stops were jumped beyond 50 ticks on something equivalent to CL could easily wipe an account out in 1 trade or you could even owe your broker staggering sum.

Have fun with your experiment will be entertaining to watch but in real terms even if could get from 1 to 100 contracts in a month would take an extreme delta that would be a ticking time bomb in real world trading.

Not attacking your experiment just thinking out loud. Good reminder for me because I tend to be more aggressive than I should with my deltas at times.

"The day I became a winning trader was the day it became boring. Daily losses no longer bother me and daily wins no longer excited me. Took years of pain and busting a few accounts before finally got my mind right. I survived the darkness within and now just chillax and let my black box do the work."
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I'm intrigued with you idea, I'm also a programmer. It's also a subject that I've been dealing with. So lets see if we can help each other out. If you could send me a math that you use for contract addition that would be one less step for me to do.
Good Luck, and May the Trend be with you

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I make 90% of my profit on compounding.

It is a major key to trading in my opinion. The danger is having too little in your account to cover margin in a black swan or stop jump type event. Stops can be jumped and markets can go down yet underlying still trades while you are locked out of exiting could be pure devastation. I was reminded when that happened on NYMEX a few weeks ago. I had no trades on but there were many here who did and could not exit for an hour on CL.

Most valuable info, thank you bro. I have had to trade thin markets in Asia most of my trading career, and this was the very reason NOT to compound them. My focus on the ES is for the compounding liquidity. I have met online some big ES volume traders and tried to determine the hidden dangers within that market.

I am taking a small percent of trading funds and compounding with that using a well tested stop and reverse system. I can see that CL is a good market to trade but your info tells me be wary of compounding it!

Thanks again. Exactly what I hoped this journal would bring to the community.

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Most valuable info, thank you bro. I have had to trade thin markets in Asia most of my trading career, and this was the very reason NOT to compound them. My focus on the ES is for the compounding liquidity. I have met online some big ES volume traders and tried to determine the hidden dangers within that market.

I am taking a small percent of trading funds and compounding with that using a well tested stop and reverse system. I can see that CL is a good market to trade but your info tells me be wary of compounding it!

Thanks again. Exactly what I hoped this journal would bring to the community.


You can compound CL and I do as it has liquidity but not like the ES. I don't think would be a good idea to try 100 contracts on CL intraday.

Problem I find with ES is it has very little range intraday. So you have to use strategies that don't need much range.

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I can only show Sim101 figures as my real account does not have reporting as good as Ninja.

I only use Ninja for sim and charts.

I always trade big size in Ninja Sim101 having already made the virtual profits to compound with.

I post Sim anyway, as it may be of some interest.

Still trading manually and the Compound Ratio yet to take over.

Profitable Day.

Excellent E-Ratio. (MFE/MAE.)

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I'm intrigued with you idea, I'm also a programmer. It's also a subject that I've been dealing with. So lets see if we can help each other out. If you could send me a math that you use for contract addition that would be one less step for me to do.
Good Luck, and May the Trend be with you

Thanks You. I'll gather some info later, bit complex. Let's see how the month goes. My original work was done many years ago in Visual Basic.

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Always possible! Would just have to build another rocket.


That was a great comeback. Re-funding fixes everything, right? lol!

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@Shivaya how has the compounding going? It's been over two years and was curious how many contracts you're trading now?

You've got to be at 100 by now.

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too bad the journal has ended so abruptly, it was very interesting.

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